At my wits end wit da Phoenix.....AAAAAAH! Help sought...

[Gr8Scott]

Went and got a Phoenix clone a while back and I just haven't been able to get a clean circuit with my coils. With a little wiggling and tweaking it'll fire on my egos, but not the MVP (which doesn't have an Ohm meter). MVP just absolutely no dice.

When I screw it (atty and coil) into my PV testing Ohm meter most of the time, if I get a reading, I have to press down on one of the battery posts to make it happen. Then when I put it on one of the Egos it fires (usually with one sharp POP about 50% of the time). Are the POP or POPS on a fresh coil due to unclean current or lack of preburning the nichrome or is that just normal.

The Ohmmeter works fine and easy with mfg'd attys/cartos, so I am sure it's okay.

I have built the most painstakingly pristine coils, but I can't get a consistent result and it's frustrating as hell. I can vape it on the egos but its nerveracking 'cause I am wondering if it's a danger...

Is it possible I have a loose post in the Phoenix?If so, is there a way to fix it or is the Phoenix done for?

HEP me HEP ME pWEEEEEZ!


AHHHHHHHH

 

[CountSmackula]

Wish I could help. I passed on those due to my big mitts.

 

[Gr8Scott]

I understand. My coordination and eyesight have actually improved in the process of exercising 'em so much. Sucks that I got this nice shiny MVP that I am vaping on with a gutted Kanger bottom coil clearo for an atty when a RA would be soo nice.

I am about to go unwrap the DID from under the tree! Once you get such a clean drag from a rebuildable... well it's like trying to tell yourself after losing your viginity that " Hey,sex isn't 'all that', kissing is good enough!"

 

[never_enough_juice]

I hate those phoenix atomizers . . .I never could get anything but a burnt taste. . .I like the aga-t tho. . .it's alot easier to work with

 

[unloaded]

The center pin in the connector gets pushed in too far pretty easily. Try lowering it by prying it down with a small screwdriver or similar. You want it at least flush with the bottom of the connector or even protruding a bit. If you have a shorty 510 extension it might do the trick but will make everything taller.

 

[Got-Ta-Go]

Don't pry the connector down; you can push it down from the inside of the atty so it sticks out more into the 510 connector.

Before I learned that it pushes down from the inside, I too tried to pried it out. I ended up prying the end of the connector off the unity.

The center pin in the connector gets pushed in too far pretty easily. Try lowering it by prying it down with a small screwdriver or similar. You want it at least flush with the bottom of the connector or even protruding a bit. If you have a shorty 510 extension it might do the trick but will make everything taller.

 

[unloaded]

Are you talking about a real Phoenix or a clone? Mine are clones from OKCvapes called the Bulldog. The posts are along the edges and I don't think either is directly connected to center pin.

 

[tobarger]

The posts are along the edges and I don't think either is directly connected to center pin.

One of the terminal posts is definitely connected to the center pin

Try This
The Phoenix center pin is a real PITA
Hold the Phoenix in your hand and press down on each of the terminal posts with a hard object
When you are pressing on the positive terminal you will see the center pin of the 510 connection move down
Make sure the center pin is at least even with the threads on the 510 connection
Then screw the Phoenix onto your PV

I have to do this all the time

 

[Gr8Scott]

One of the terminal posts is definitely connected to the center pin

Try This
The Phoenix center pin is a real PITA
Hold the Phoenix in your hand and press down on each of the terminal posts with a hard object
When you are pressing on the positive terminal you will see the center pin of the 510 connection move down
Make sure the center pin is at least even with the threads on the 510 connection
Then screw the Phoenix onto your PV

I have to do this all the time

D E W D !!!



You Da' Man!!!


Popped out slicker than eel poop!!!!!





Ima gonna whip a coil together and I will let you guys know!!!!!!


Wee haw!


Y'all are indeed the titty on the kitty!!!!!!

 

[Gr8Scott]

Okay the plusses+++

We figured out a major aspect of this endeavour. So there is a great victory

I also figured out that the MVP doesn't like the Phoenix. It doesn't fire. (wish I knew why, maybe a hypersensitive protect circuit?)

But I am puffin away with it on the ego at a nice 1.4 ohms. That reads on the meter

Thanks to you guys the Phoenix rises out of the ashes.....

Hey, what about this popping factor ? Does it just burn in and away? Reminds me of Pop rocks as a kid.

 

[Got-Ta-Go]

The way I figure it, if "it's popping, then it's rocking". I've then got a good vape going with nice output.

If you running a 1.4 ohm atty on a 3.7 volt battery then you are right at 10 watts of power; you're probably close to maxing out that ego.

 

[JD1]

Your ego is probably putting out about 3.2v under load. That would give a little over 7 watts and a little over 2 amps. I'm thinking the ego has a 2 amp limit also, so it could be cutting back there a little also. At any rate, you're definitely pushing it to it's limits, and you may be shortening how long it lasts, if that matter to you. If you have room for another wrap, it might be worth experimenting a little.

 

[Gr8Scott]

Yeah, I like a hot vape and I might be pushin it a bit on these Egos. The God blessed Innokin MVP has such smooth power, even with my tweaked Kanger carto2atty conversion; just wish I could get it to like the Phoenix ! The egos were about ten bucks a piece (3.6/3.8/4.2 variables) so if there's any damage all I can do now is just run regular hardware on 'em and hope for some more continuous use. I am needing to consider space in the drip cup. That 1.4 Ohmer was born from 7 winds of 32AWG Nichrome. I have some 36 that I thought I'd never mess with again, but it's an option now.

I purposely got this MVP so I could have a device that would safely tolerate rebuildables, it's quite frustrating. Now I am probably going to spend more money on a cheapo battery tube just to continue my new fascination with RAs.

It's occurred to me that all my hardware consists of equipment with sealed in batteries, so I want to find something sturdy, preferably variable volt, that I can insert a battery into instead of tossing a worn out Ego or similar.

Like a 18350/18650 mod for under 20 or 15 bucks.


Any recommendations, anybody?


Argggh.. the saga continues

 

[JD1]

It's quite a bit more than 20 dollars, but I'm really liking the provari clone from Young June. It's called the Vector at Vaporbeast, which is where I got mine. If you start this PBusardo video at about 10:40, he gets to a chart which shows you the output with different loads.

A PBusardo Review - In Depth Chrome Lava Tube Comparison - YouTube

 

[dwcraig1]

Any recommendations, anybody?
The problem is not with the MVP, other than it's lack of ability of reading ohms it is a really good mod dollar wise and then some,of coarse IMO

 

[sawlight]

At 1.4 you are really pushing that EGO! Much less than 1.7 and they tend to get unhappy! That may be the problem with the MVP as well!
As for the cheap 18350 mod, it's cheap for sure, but Madvapes sells an 18350 Gripper on sale for around $16 right now, you'll have to buy an extension for it to use the RBA, which I think is around $4. Doesn't get much cheaper than that.

 

[unloaded]

Check out the Vamo it will do VV or VW and do either accurately. You can find them for around $50. You'll need a charger and some high drain batts too either 18350's or 18650's. What size wick are you using? I use 3.5mm and 4/5 wraps of 32g Kanthal gets me around 1.8 ohms. If you don't have fatter wick double or triple it. Each wrap will be bigger and raise your resistance. 2" of 32g A1 Kanthal should be right around 2 ohms. I see you are using in chrome so I might be a bit off. 7 wraps seems like a lot though. Are you sure none of the coils are touching a post creating a short leaving some of the coils out of the circuit? Try a dry burn and make sure they all glow evenly. You should be getting a little higher resistance.

edit:
Here is a good spot to get a Vamo:
https://vaporbank.com/shop/index.php?p=product&id=884
And some good reading to learn about them:
VAMO

 

[Gr8Scott]

The problem is not with the MVP, other than it's lack of ability of reading ohms it is a really good mod dollar wise and then some,of coarse IMO

Yeah, I want to agree about the MVP, the extra power output function was why I got it instead of a Provari and such, even without the Ohm meter.(Just cannot comprehend this faux pas, I mean what in the hell were they thinking?)

Let me share what I have found and y'all can weigh in your opinions:

Okay, this looks really stout, and I am into that "Tonka" tuff factor:

Fourteen bucks, but no variable


Then:

The Gripper, that Sawlight mentioned which HOV has for $12.50



Or This:



The Merlin 14650

Here:
http://www.smokerevolt.com/The-Merlin-14650_p_336.html


$13.18

And I almost forgot:

Varistack:




Not stout, yet it's variable and $15 bucks!




And finally:



From China for a whopping $10.,Shipped and that includes the IMR 800 mAh ICR14500 battery

Downside is these can take up to a month or so.






So, you are getting an idea what I can spend, unless a windfall or bonus comes my way . I have got to factor in a battery charger and batteries ('nother fifteen)


And this,is what I have found. Man, if you can "one up me" then, please Rawk it!




So,

Thoughts?

 

[unloaded]

I've got a whole box full of mods similar to those you listed, all bought trying to save some money. Do yourself a favor and try to make do with what you have until you've saved enough to get something worth spending your money on. I use three mods daily now a GGTS, Provari Mini and a Vamo. The first two are built better but the Vamo has some really nice features that they don't even when the GG is Kicked. The Vamo is really nice if you are into rebuildables. You can check your resistance on it but you really don't need to if you have it set for a certain wattage. When it comes to making coils you don't have to get them exactly right, just get them in the neighborhood and it'll dial them in for you. If you look around there are co-ops being run on these or you can order from China if you want to save some cash. For $50 it's got to be the best bang-for-your-buck in the vaping world. Here's a review of it if you haven't seen it:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-video-reviews/358779-pbusardo-review-vamo.html

 

[*deleon517*]

one think that i didn't see mentioned about the phoenix not working on the MVP is using a 510-510 adapter. while i dont have a MVP yet i do have a few mods that certain setups wont work on without the adapter. with the reviews i have heard about the MVP I doubt anything other then a poor connection is the issue.