Atlantis

[PuppY_K1ck3R]

I've been building coils for a good month now. My first RBA is a kaiser. I use it all day for work and such on either a regulated mod or just one of my mechs. The other day,my buddy brought an Atlantis over to my place. Got to hit it real nice but still not impressed from the hype. I mean as a builder its no big deal. My kaiser hits harder and has a bit better flavor. But.... for people who don't want to mess around building coils. Then this thing is a game changer. I have quite a few friends who don't get the whole coil building scenario. So i do recommend this tank to them.

 

[KGB7]

Do you happen to have a link for this unbelievable deal?

Found 13 atlantis at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

 

[BrushyHillGuide]

Test is done on Fiberglass Paper (White Fiber)..... which is what exactly??

The test also does not state if this White Fiber is used in Atlantis coils, no mention of Aspire, or Coils.


Need more facts and less paranoid assumption.

X2

I'm not seeing any reference to fiberglass or aspire. Not saying it's not true but I don't see evidence.

The Chinese are nothing if no astute business people. I can't see them risking a market changing product by using some crazy product for wicking - not when there are plenty of safe wicking materials available. IF they did something like that they would be rising their market share. I can't see that happening the cost/benefit wouldn't make sense.

Calling them a "novelty" is ridiculous. Kanger just released a sub ohm tank as well. They are the real powerhouse companies in the industry. Both releasing similar products isn't a novelty, that's called a game changer. The next move will be eliminating the ego batteries and replacing them with more powerful and safer batteries; and starter kits will look more like a 30w regulated mod with a sub ohm tank. IMO


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[Topwater Elvis]

Found 13 atlantis at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Regardless of what fasttech advertizes Aspire has them on their copycat / fake list here ---> Aspire - copycat, find out who are selling fake aspire

Or you can send Aspire an email with a link to the fastech listing and get the answer from the horses mouth.

 

[Uncle00Jesse]

Not sure where some of this criticism is coming from here. If you aren't a RDA veteran and moving up from egos and isticks with basic tanks, the Atlantis is a dream. It destroys the nautilus and aerotanks with its flavor and vapor quality. Literally the only bad thing you can say about it is it guzzles juice and has a small capacity. That's it

 

[KGB7]

Regardless of what fasttech advertizes Aspire has them on their copycat / fake list here ---> Aspire - copycat, find out who are selling fake aspire

Or you can send Aspire an email with a link to the fastech listing and get the answer from the horses mouth.

Yet Fasstech sells Original Aspire Atlantis tank as well.


Since when are clones/copy cats are bad? Most of the users here use clones. And these coils are most likely are made at the same factory, minus the "aspire" wording.

Plus if i didnt want to lose profit, i too would post on my site to avoid clones... even though clones are at times better then original.

 

[Katya]

Test is done on Fiberglass Paper (White Fiber)..... which is what exactly??

Good question. I would like to get an answer from Aspire, but they are still refusing to provide that information. They even pulled the old answers about the mystery ceramic/fiberglass material from their website--it used to be here and now it's gone:

Aspire Support: •View topic - bvc wicking material

The test also does not state if this White Fiber is used in Atlantis coils, no mention of Aspire, or Coils.

Per most reviewers, including Rip and Phil, it's the same fiber. It crumbles and it burns, also. Go to 14 min mark into the video:

Need more facts and less paranoid assumption.

Exactly right--I want more facts, but I can't get them. I've sent several emails to Aspire asking for answers.

And now it turns out that their tanks are not stainless steel as advertised. The chimneys are made out of chromed brass.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-has-chromed-brass-chimney.html#post14607846

On the subject of fiberglass:

http://srs.unm.edu/industrial-hygiene/media/docs/silica.pdf

"Amorphous Silica: Multiple studies have found amorphous silica to be biologically inert when
ingested and inhaled, with the exception of extruded fiberglass and ceramic fibers (which have been
designated as carcinogens by the National Toxicology Program), which are hazardous due to their
very small size and their high length to width aspect ratio. Because of this inertness, the US Food
and Drug Administration permits the use of amorphous silica (not fiberglass or ceramic fibers!) in food and medicine."

So, I'd rather stick with amorphous silica and organic cotton in my atties than risk inhaling fiberglass particles. You may of course disagree with my opinion. Please feel free to do so. This forum is--and has always been--about exchanging information. I hope it will remain so.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Contact Aspire and ask them, they can only guarantee what they know as fact they produced.

I hated the 3 nautilus's I bought first, flooding/gurgling, metallic taste that subsided after a tank or so, wouldn't take the power levels most others reported, odd scratchy throat after vaping for a while, some kind of particles suspended in juice in tank glistening in sunlight after a couple days.

Back and forth email correspondence with Aspire for several weeks with all sorts of question being answered including wicking material concerns, determined by the second email I had 3 fakes.
Bought 2 mini & 1 full size authentic Nautiluses & authentic aspire heads, all complaints completely eliminated.

Buy whatever makes you happy but don't bash an authentic product because you didn't know you bought or chose to buy a clone / fake / copycat,

 

[KGB7]

Good question. I would like to get an answer from Aspire, but they are still refusing to provide that information. They even pulled the old answers about the mystery ceramic/fiberglass material from their website--it used to be here and now it's gone:

Aspire Support: •View topic - bvc wicking material



Per most reviewers, including Rip and Phil, it's the same fiber. It crumbles and it burns, also. Go to 14 min mark into the video:





Exactly right--I want more facts, but I can't get them. I've sent several emails to Aspire asking for answers.

And now it turns out that their tanks are not stainless steel as advertised. The chimneys are made out of chromed brass.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-has-chromed-brass-chimney.html#post14607846

On the subject of fiberglass:

http://srs.unm.edu/industrial-hygiene/media/docs/silica.pdf

"Amorphous Silica: Multiple studies have found amorphous silica to be biologically inert when
ingested and inhaled, with the exception of extruded fiberglass and ceramic fibers (which have been
designated as carcinogens by the National Toxicology Program), which are hazardous due to their
very small size and their high length to width aspect ratio. Because of this inertness, the US Food
and Drug Administration permits the use of amorphous silica (not fiberglass or ceramic fibers!) in food and medicine."

So, I'd rather stick with amorphous silica and organic cotton in my atties than risk inhaling fiberglass particles. You may of course disagree with my opinion. Please feel free to do so. This forum is--and has always been--about exchanging information. I hope it will remain so.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you.

Phil keeps vaping on it, so it must be safe.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Katya,
Not " calling you out " / with all due respect;

I cannot understand why they won't respond to you, seems odd compared to my experience with Aspire. Have you tried e mail.
Aspire has been IMO prompt in responding to all but one of my emails to them.
10 days after one was sent it was returned as undeliverable, the address was the same as all the others they did receive and respond to. There is a little communication difficulty / frustration due to language translation / differences.

They answered all questions without double talk or avoidance.
I received answers from several different levels of their organization depending on the specifics of the questions asked.
Including several emails specifically questioning the wicking material used in the BVC heads and more recently about the Atlantis bvc heads. I received answers along with a copy of the SGS testing results and a very reasonable explanation for removal from public view.

I relayed the emails and information in full to people " I " trust to review.
Just me, " I " am convinced that authentic Aspire BVC heads pose no greater health risks than any other saturated wicking materials.
Particles in high enough concentrations of any dry wicking material of any kind is likely to be hazardous to inhale.

I am also convinced there is a difference in BVC heads due to having used both generic / clone / fake / unauthorized and authentic heads.
In a previous post I mention the difference I noticed.

I realize that one faceless voice will not change anyones mind, I fully agree with focusing on all aspects of vaping as safely as possible.

I use carto tanks with untested unknown "polyfil" straight from the back alley's of China, an RTA with untested rayon & cotton all will let you know in no uncertain terms when it burns it cant be good for you and I use BVC's.

Maybe it's just one of my quirks, I can't use any silica wicking material without getting a scratchy throat feeling for at least the first tank usually longer, enough so I chose not to use silica.

 

[Katya]

I have emailed them several times and I reported my conversations with Aspire in the thread I linked above. I was told they made a "mistake" in translation and that the the material they are using is ceramic (?) even though the lab report calls is "fiberglass."

Mr. Liu, their CEO, never responded to my emails, even though I know for a fact that he responds to others who happen to like their products. My posts (very polite) were censored and never appeared on Aspire forum.

The only person who responded to me and was actually very nice about it was Eric from their Service dept. I expressed my concerns, he seemed interested, and the last I heard from him was: "Thank you for your kind suggestions. We will pass your concerns to our product development teams,we will discuss your concerns and research the two materials that you mentioned in the mail, If any information,we will contact you. Thank you again for your friendly suggestion. Best regards!"

I have never heard anything since and there is still no official statement, reply, announcement (whatever) from Aspire wrt to both the filer and the chrome-plated brass.

I sincerely hope that the material they are using is safe. I would love to try the BVC coils--their BDC coils were somewhat disappointing for me. I really wanted to get a Nautilus until I saw Rip's video and did some research about fiberglass. I don't want fiberglass or ceramic fibers in my atties. I even asked Dr. Farsalinos about it, and this is what he said:

For the Aspire ceramic wick, i cannot understand why they are using a material which is avoided even for thermal insulation in houses....