Ooooh. Can you send me some of that. I spent part of this evening trying to get some stains off my kitchen counter. Sounds like you found the perfect stuff.
Atomic fireball/cinnacide concerns
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Ooooh. Can you send me some of that. I spent part of this evening trying to get some stains off my kitchen counter. Sounds like you found the perfect stuff.
I would, but I'm pretty sure I vaped it all. Seeing it pull off the permanent marker didn't phase me at all. You see, I used to do this thing, maybe you've heard of it.. smoking cigarettes? Yea, if vaping ever causes me to cough up blood maybe then I'll start causing a ruckus around here
I don't think anyone is pointing any fingers
Nor are they making baseless accusations. Purely stating their own experience and/or concerns.It's just a discussion about what may or may not be something we have to deal with when vaping (certain flavors, etc). It's no different than some people having a reaction to PG, or worrying about vaping around pets.
Surely hasn't stopped me from vaping it! But it does peak my curiosity. After all, many people stop smoking cigarettes because of the harm it was doing to their bodies. So naturally, when something like this comes up, it will be cause for discussion.
Look, I'm not trying to trash anyone's personal vaping habits , or trying to impugn the reputation of any vendors.
I have tried other flavors by the same maker and have not had any issues with them.
I absolutely love AF/AC and would hate to give it up.
All I am doing is relating my personal experiences and concerns to fellow vapers , which is the entire point of this forum.
What are you using to vape? As I said in my original post, I never had a problem with the 510, only when I started using the kr808 did I notice a problem.
As many others do, I keep my AF/AC confined to one atty or cart. Only the cartomizer that had the AF in it showed any signs of degradation. I have vaped from a 48mg cart that never showed any on the symptoms that the 36mg AF did. If nicotine was the culprit ALL cartomizers would show the same signs.
Indeed, after my original post , I continued vaping with blue foam in the greencig cart, when it came time to refill, I took my high tech cart extraction tool (paper clip with about 1/16in 90 deg bend) and went to extract the cart. Usually I apply some lateral pressure to the clip as I push it towards the front of the cartomizer , so that it is apparent when it hits the end of the plastic carrier.
This time the paperclip went right through the carrier itself!
I was not able to duplicate that with other carts that had similar juice in them.
I will try to set something up to give some visual evidence of what I am talking about.
I understand some peoples reaction to any trash talk about their favorite juice. I would have had the same reaction if I had not seen it first hand.
Of course , even if it kills certain plastics , it is almost certainly better than analogs.
That being said, if it is harmful to vaping equipment , it needs to be explored.
I have tried other flavors by the same maker and have not had any issues with them.
I absolutely love AF/AC and would hate to give it up.
All I am doing is relating my personal experiences and concerns to fellow vapers , which is the entire point of this forum.
I am basing my post on repeated first hand observations. No, I have not conducted any double blind experiments to confirm my hypothesis that AF does not like soft plastics of certain varieties.
What are you using to vape? As I said in my original post, I never had a problem with the 510, only when I started using the kr808 did I notice a problem.
Yes.
As many others do, I keep my AF/AC confined to one atty or cart. Only the cartomizer that had the AF in it showed any signs of degradation. I have vaped from a 48mg cart that never showed any on the symptoms that the 36mg AF did. If nicotine was the culprit ALL cartomizers would show the same signs.
Indeed, after my original post , I continued vaping with blue foam in the greencig cart, when it came time to refill, I took my high tech cart extraction tool (paper clip with about 1/16in 90 deg bend) and went to extract the cart. Usually I apply some lateral pressure to the clip as I push it towards the front of the cartomizer , so that it is apparent when it hits the end of the plastic carrier.
This time the paperclip went right through the carrier itself!
I was not able to duplicate that with other carts that had similar juice in them.
I will try to set something up to give some visual evidence of what I am talking about.
I understand some peoples reaction to any trash talk about their favorite juice. I would have had the same reaction if I had not seen it first hand.
Of course , even if it kills certain plastics , it is almost certainly better than analogs.
That being said, if it is harmful to vaping equipment , it needs to be explored.
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AltrusianGrace, you seem to be rather level-headed about this. The problem isn't with you, it's with the people who aren't so level-headed. Those people who read a bit of this story here and there and then post on this thread without knowing what they're talking about. It starts to feel like a bad game of telephone or, even worse, like I'm watching a cable news network. I almost expect to see a commercial something like "What you didn't know about Atomic Cinnacide COULD KILL YOU. We'll have the full story on the 11 o'clock news."
So I think/hope you can understand where I was coming from.. and now hopefully someone won't skim through what I just wrote and think AC is going to kill them
So I think/hope you can understand where I was coming from.. and now hopefully someone won't skim through what I just wrote and think AC is going to kill them
I haven't tried the AC in cartos yet, but between me and the wife we have about 3 months experience with using AC in 901, 801, 510 and 401 attys. I haven't had any issues with it removing paint.
I did boil a small batch of red and black 901's once. The paint on a good many of them bubbled and was easily scratched off. None of those had been used with AC, though...
I did boil a small batch of red and black 901's once. The paint on a good many of them bubbled and was easily scratched off. None of those had been used with AC, though...
My first thought on reading this thread is... What a great way to tell which atty I've devoted to AC! May strip the paint off intentionally if it doesn't start coming off on it's own!
Well people I have my AC in the cabinet because the flavor has degraded like most TV juice after like 2 weeks (as have my mixes of Cinnamon Oil, with PGA included).
I have been using my own blend, and to get a thinner eLiquid I have been using about 5-10% PGA. I would guess that the PGA in the mix might take off paint, and some vendors DO add PGA. I have had a 901 loose all of it's paint due to a soak, FYI.
I also have had my own mixes make a carto end-cap brittle (I have not seen them get softer on cartos, just brittle). My ingredients were PG, 100mg PG eLiquid, Lorann Cinnamon Oil, and PGA. (I have also added 1-5% VG for testing.) As you can see my ingredients are very limited, yet I have had this issue.
It seems to be Cinnamon Oil related since I have not had this issue with any other DIY mix I have ever made.
Thoughts?
I have been using my own blend, and to get a thinner eLiquid I have been using about 5-10% PGA. I would guess that the PGA in the mix might take off paint, and some vendors DO add PGA. I have had a 901 loose all of it's paint due to a soak, FYI.
I also have had my own mixes make a carto end-cap brittle (I have not seen them get softer on cartos, just brittle). My ingredients were PG, 100mg PG eLiquid, Lorann Cinnamon Oil, and PGA. (I have also added 1-5% VG for testing.) As you can see my ingredients are very limited, yet I have had this issue.
It seems to be Cinnamon Oil related since I have not had this issue with any other DIY mix I have ever made.
Thoughts?
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I should mention that I am a huge fan of Geoff and his juice. I have, at last count 15 different flavors and one custom from him. A few weren't for me, but most have been awesome. His customer service is without a doubt the best I have experienced.
I have had the exact same experience. It was the older reddish juice. I first noticed a change in the plastic cap. The inside surface became sort of rough and sandy. Later I noticed the cap would bend when I removed it. I discarded that carto some time back. I didn't pursue it, because the AC flavor was a bit too strong for me anyway.
I still have some of that juice left and am going to try a simple experiment by soaking a white plastic carto cap IN the juice. Another variable is that I buy my blank cartos from a different vendor now.
I am new and haven't ordered yet but the atomic fireball was recommended to me because I am a menthol smoker and I was told it totally changes once you start using the E-cig
Say what? TV's liquids get better with age (like wine.) It takes about a week before the flavors fully blend. I know people who haven't liked some of their flavors because they started vaping them as soon as they arrived. But you're definitely the first person I've heard of who stopped liking them at that point.
A bit OT, but seems like 95% who have tried it, LOVE this juice. I would recommend it. But Geoff has many other fantastic flavors also. Just scan thru the E-Liquid Reviews for threads for any TV (tasty vapor), related threads and you will find that TV is a winner.
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I see that happen a lot. I think sometimes we tend to get 'protective' of our favorite vendors.
Personally, I have never purchased directly from this vendor, as I'm not willing to buy the full size unless I know I like it, and they don't offer samples. So I have to trade on the boards to test them out.
I have favorite vendors too... however, although I LOVE the Ecopure Fresh from Cignot, I don't like the Starpuffs... and I LOVE the Juicy Fruit from MsT (practically vaped the whole bottle this weekend), I really don't care for the Lemonade. It's all a matter of personal opinion, and I think we need to keep this in mind.
I really like the Atomic Cinnacide, but I don't like the Tasty Finger
YMMV!THAT would be great! Sometimes it's hard to visualize things without a picture (at least for me)
Very good point! Nobody wants to start mass hysteria
I haven't had any paint come off of my attys. Either by boiling OR from the AC. But I'm new. They may all deteriorate in time. Or as someone else pointed out, it could be the actual paint they are using. HOPEFULLY it does not have any lead! (you wouldn't believe how many Polly Pockets and Barbie stuff I had to get rid of last year)
I didn't know this. I had heard they get better with time (from several people)..... ?? I have just started vaping the flavors from this vendor, so I have no real experience. I read that if the flavor is a little 'off', to let it sit for awhile, then try again.
I think this is the main issue. It's my opinion that it is probably the Cinnamon Oil that is causing the reaction with the paint. Since we have heard it's best not to use the oils, and that the oils can damage the inside of the atty (ie: coil, etc), it's most likely the culprit.
Just my 2c.
This is very true.
However.... (and I am a menthol smoker too) I LOVE the Tobacco Menthol from TV. You may see if you can find someone willing to part with a sample (that's how I tried it) and see if you like their menthol. IMHO, it's the best menthol flavor I have found.
I have noticed an improvement in TV flavors over time. I find that they become much more well balanced after about two weeks.
I think this thread should be moved to the tastyvapor forum for two reasons:
1. It clearly isn't a review.
2. Geoff (TV genius mixmaster) can't respond here in the review forum.
1. It clearly isn't a review.
2. Geoff (TV genius mixmaster) can't respond here in the review forum.
Wow. I was all ready to try this after all the rave reviews, but I think I may hold off. Anything that is stripping paint is not something I want to inhale.
This reminds me of the soda Coca Cola. Tough enough to tenderize a roast, harsh enough to clean a toilet sparkling clean, wicked enough to remove rust, and the list goes on. But yet everyone still drinks it not worrying what it does to their stomachs. I ordered 4 bottles of A/C during his special, and I love it!
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