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I personally use an IGO-S similar to eHuman's IGO-L but with silica wick.
I do about 3 drops, vape a few puffs till it tastes kinda dry-ish, throw a few drops of unflavored in there, puff a few times till the flavor is gone then just go straight to another flavor to try out. It works fairly well with little contamination the way I have my wick set up. It doesnt hold much at all but if I miss I will wipe off the drip well
I do about 3 drops, vape a few puffs till it tastes kinda dry-ish, throw a few drops of unflavored in there, puff a few times till the flavor is gone then just go straight to another flavor to try out. It works fairly well with little contamination the way I have my wick set up. It doesnt hold much at all but if I miss I will wipe off the drip well
No, no you misunderstand... I'll fish... fishing is no problem... a bit boring but no problem... it's the cleaning the fish i have a problem with...
Ahhhh... :swooning dramatically: where are the good old days of chivalry gone...
I checked your blog... and looked around... but didn't find the instructions... you have detailed instruction on how to do this somewhere right? Lots of picture... video... material list? maybe even where to get it? you know kinda IKEA style instructions.. idiot proof...
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Ok to try to get the general ohms and watts figured out... who knew that 6 years of high school and college physics class will actually be useful for something one day 
always liked chemistry better...
since a 'little' change in ohms seems to make a big end result difference...
starting with the premiss that a 1.5ohm atty on a 3.7 is definitely too low
i get the 2.0-2.2 recommendation ... that puts a 3.7V battery at the 6.2 - 6.85W range... that 6-7 range you see mentioned often..
however this seems contradict itself, or i'm just not getting it..
a 7.5-9W is an 1.52-1.8ohm atty on a 3.7V
2.0-2.22ohm suggested will give out the 6.2-6.85W range which is below the 7.5W lower limit of the range you are giving..
Didn't catch part of this before
i'm understanding this to mean that lower then 7W (5-7W range) the taste is better/stronger?
so the suggested 2.2-2.4ohm is actually 5.7-6.2W
Is this one of those >W > vapor but less taste and less W less vapor but >taste deals, obviously inside a reasonable range, like the PG/VG flavor balance mix? told you i liked chemistry more physics..
see this is part of what i don't get.... if most liquids are happy at 7W and most common recommendations you find are are 6+W somewhere in the 6-7.5W range ... why is the 2.4ohm a standard coil for a 3.7V ego... when that is an end result of 5.7W.
always liked chemistry better... since a 'little' change in ohms seems to make a big end result difference...
starting with the premiss that a 1.5ohm atty on a 3.7 is definitely too low
i get the 2.0-2.2 recommendation ... that puts a 3.7V battery at the 6.2 - 6.85W range... that 6-7 range you see mentioned often..
however this seems contradict itself, or i'm just not getting it..
a 7.5-9W is an 1.52-1.8ohm atty on a 3.7V
2.0-2.22ohm suggested will give out the 6.2-6.85W range which is below the 7.5W lower limit of the range you are giving..
Didn't catch part of this before
i'm understanding this to mean that lower then 7W (5-7W range) the taste is better/stronger?
so the suggested 2.2-2.4ohm is actually 5.7-6.2W
Is this one of those >W > vapor but less taste and less W less vapor but >taste deals, obviously inside a reasonable range, like the PG/VG flavor balance mix? told you i liked chemistry more physics..
see this is part of what i don't get.... if most liquids are happy at 7W and most common recommendations you find are are 6+W somewhere in the 6-7.5W range ... why is the 2.4ohm a standard coil for a 3.7V ego... when that is an end result of 5.7W.
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Hi Nev,
Here is a link to ehumans blogs ... lotsa good information there.
E-Cigarette Forum - eHuman - Blogs
Here is a link to ehumans blogs ... lotsa good information there.
E-Cigarette Forum - eHuman - Blogs
thanks NGAHaze, have it... it was the instructions on how to wick the atomizer i couldn't find on the blog not the blog itself.. yeah my sentence wasn't quite clear in the above post.. fixed it now. i think
Nev,
I have the same question burning in my mind. That's why i suggested that 2.0 resis was plenty safe. I'm guessing they're expecting you to use high PG's so you get the throat hit and don't need the warmth so much. I personally prefer the warmth of 7.5 watts on cartos, and 8.5 on attys, over the extra PG. Please post if you figure it out. tx
I have the same question burning in my mind. That's why i suggested that 2.0 resis was plenty safe. I'm guessing they're expecting you to use high PG's so you get the throat hit and don't need the warmth so much. I personally prefer the warmth of 7.5 watts on cartos, and 8.5 on attys, over the extra PG. Please post if you figure it out. tx
The reason is for safety, and not everyone likes to vape at LR. Ego batteries have very little protection built into them in the case of a short or overdraw on the batteries. Their protection is to fry the electronics before the battery vents, leaving you with a nonworking ego in most cases. A lot of vendors will have disclaimers about continual use of LR cartos or atomizers on ego batteries because the current draw of LR on the batteries is hard on them.
I read that you are using a 900 mah ego. Using that battery to try to build a stainless steel wick on the Igo-L and wrapping your own coil is something that I wouldn't recommend. Why? Because if you don't oxidize the SS wick just right and wrap a coil on it, when you fire off your ego battery there is a fair chance you will fry your battery with a short for the wick/coil. In many VV/VW PV's this isn't an issue because they have built in protection and will shut down to save themselves, and if you wrap a LR coil that is below a set threshold programmed into the electronics the devise will "read" the low resistance and refuse to fire.
Most of vaping is trial and error to find what works best for you personally. The recommendations being given are to try to help with a starting point that should get you up and working initially so you can figure out from that point where to go. Also, something to think about, is that you may be using the atomizer incorrectly. When I first started a couple months ago I got a couple of atties to try dripping and I just can't get them to work as well as what others talk about. The little things sizzle/gurgle/hiss like they are cranking out vapor when I'm drawing on them, and I get squat for flavor/vapor. I'll mess with them and get a nice hit once out of 10 or so draws. They're just not for me.
If I were you, and set on using atties, I would get a 2.0 ohm atty and go from there. Personally, I bought an eroll kit for when I'm out and about, as it turns out it works great for testing my DIY flavors. I'm working on my blueberry mix right now in fact (I think I over shot the sweet spot and need to reduce flavor on my next attempt).
I hope some of that helps, but please take it with a grain of salt as I've only been doing this for a couple months or so.
That's correct. The taste is better at lower power. I actually bought a Vamo 2 so that I could set watts which works independantly of coil resistance. (Eat your heart out provari!
I was expecting to enjoy turning the Vamo up to the 8 or 9 watts and enjoying clouds of vapour.Yes, I got clouds of vapour, it was great. The taste however, was just dry and muted. I tried dripping the Pheonix atomiser I got and found the same thing. Just prior to getting the Vamo I was using ego twists (still am, at work) and was finding I was much happier at 3.8 volts on a 2.2 ohm coil than the 4.2V which I would sometimes try to use. Same coil on 3.7V fixed batteries never gave me problems before I got the twist batteries.
Yes, that's about it really. I prefer to get my throat hit from nicotine than acrid vapour any day. If it tastes too dry I just don't enjoy it regardless of how much vapour it produces, but others obviously have other preferences in this regard. As I said in my original post, there's a reason why most cartridges that are sold for use on a 3.7V system are around 2.2-2.4 ohms - it's safe and gives good flavour.
I'm now starting to see the great advantages of the dual coil system - lower watts per coil and double the vapour production? Next stop on my vaping journey is a dual coil cartomiser I think.
I think we've answered that. It's safe. Inside a cartridge with no tank system to keep the filler moist to the point of saturization, A dry hit burns the juice, the coil, and the filler material. Dry hits become more common as you use the juice up in the filler because it doesn't wick as fast. 5.5 watts lets you use the cartridge down to almost dry, where as 7 watts would mostly be nasty after the first 5 minutes.
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Thanks I appreciate all the help and comments.. as someone very new to this there is a bit of a learning curve ... especially on something that does not come 'naturally' in a way.. i'm more of a stick a cart or even better a clearomizer on a battery and go for it type, then the drip 3 drops vape 5-7 puffs drip 2 more...
so to be honest if it wasn't for the flavor testing for DIY i would totally not bother with the dripping. This does not mean that it does not work for a lot of people, that the flavor is not better.. and all the other arguments for it..
Kinda reminds me of the stick vs automatic... yeah i can drive a stick but why would i bother specially living in N.A. where an automatic is easier to get, cheaper and is just plain less of a hassle through everyday traffic. DIY is kinda like learning to drive for the racetrack... the automatic just can't compete and a manual is necessary as is learning to shift at just the right second to get the best result... or knowing just the right ohms, voltage and wattage for the experiment...
The first attempt with the 1.5 LR came from reading a few posts in the DIY section talking about testing with 1.5ohm LR on 3.7v and SR at 5v... most concurring and some indicating they prefer the SR for it.
This failed attempt at testing, if nothing else, clarified the relationship between the wattage, voltage and the ohms that i was not aware of before... and the relationship of these 3 towards flavor and vapor... which is actually very necessary to understand for using any juice but specially when trying to DIY your own.
And yeah i'm one of those crazy people who not only likes\needs to know the tech information but also reads those instruction manual that come with stuff.. and this forum is the closest thing to an instruction manual for the e-cig there is.
Wish someone would make a sticky for the New Member forum *You got your first kit/battery this is the technical info you need to know* and sum up the volts watts ohms relationship vs vapor/flavor as well as the pg/vg relationship for the same... and pop in some balance averages
Curiosity question:
Are you dripping this? when i had a look at it i seems to come with a Silicone Cart Caps. If you are dripping why is this easier then the ones you mentioned before that did not work for you. If you don't drip how do you use them for testing?
so to be honest if it wasn't for the flavor testing for DIY i would totally not bother with the dripping. This does not mean that it does not work for a lot of people, that the flavor is not better.. and all the other arguments for it..
Kinda reminds me of the stick vs automatic... yeah i can drive a stick but why would i bother specially living in N.A. where an automatic is easier to get, cheaper and is just plain less of a hassle through everyday traffic. DIY is kinda like learning to drive for the racetrack... the automatic just can't compete and a manual is necessary as is learning to shift at just the right second to get the best result... or knowing just the right ohms, voltage and wattage for the experiment...
The first attempt with the 1.5 LR came from reading a few posts in the DIY section talking about testing with 1.5ohm LR on 3.7v and SR at 5v... most concurring and some indicating they prefer the SR for it.
This failed attempt at testing, if nothing else, clarified the relationship between the wattage, voltage and the ohms that i was not aware of before... and the relationship of these 3 towards flavor and vapor... which is actually very necessary to understand for using any juice but specially when trying to DIY your own.
And yeah i'm one of those crazy people who not only likes\needs to know the tech information but also reads those instruction manual that come with stuff.. and this forum is the closest thing to an instruction manual for the e-cig there is.
Wish someone would make a sticky for the New Member forum *You got your first kit/battery this is the technical info you need to know* and sum up the volts watts ohms relationship vs vapor/flavor as well as the pg/vg relationship for the same... and pop in some balance averages
Yeah, totally get the non recommended part... the rebuildable was for a potential Vamo or such device
Curiosity question:
Are you dripping this? when i had a look at it i seems to come with a Silicone Cart Caps. If you are dripping why is this easier then the ones you mentioned before that did not work for you. If you don't drip how do you use them for testing?
You seem to have caught onto the technical aspects of vaping very well, and very quick. That is impressive to me.
Good question. No, I am not dripping with this setup. Some guys have drilled out the insides of the little cartridges and are dripping with them, but I do not do that. The carts are firm plastic and hold something like .7ml of e liquid. However, there is no need to fill it to the top, so what I have been doing is adding about 4-5 drops to the little tank and testing the flavor. The little atty inside the eRoll has a tiny wick inside the spike that inserts into the little tank. What that allows for is very easy and quick flavor changes. Vape it until you just start to taste a tiny bit of a dry hit, change a flavor and within 2 puffs you have the new flavor in all it's glory (or horror in the case of some of genius DIY ideas Haha).
You also end up with a pretty dang slick cig-a-like setup for when you hit the town. If that's something you wouldn't use, it would be way mor expensive than finding the right atty for what you have. I just happened to already have one and took advantage of that. It also gives me about the best vape of everything I have.
Good question. No, I am not dripping with this setup. Some guys have drilled out the insides of the little cartridges and are dripping with them, but I do not do that. The carts are firm plastic and hold something like .7ml of e liquid. However, there is no need to fill it to the top, so what I have been doing is adding about 4-5 drops to the little tank and testing the flavor. The little atty inside the eRoll has a tiny wick inside the spike that inserts into the little tank. What that allows for is very easy and quick flavor changes. Vape it until you just start to taste a tiny bit of a dry hit, change a flavor and within 2 puffs you have the new flavor in all it's glory (or horror in the case of some of genius DIY ideas Haha).
You also end up with a pretty dang slick cig-a-like setup for when you hit the town. If that's something you wouldn't use, it would be way mor expensive than finding the right atty for what you have. I just happened to already have one and took advantage of that. It also gives me about the best vape of everything I have.
I have a relatively cheap recommendation for you...
Go to VaporAlley and buy a box or more of these. Choose whatever color you like, and probably the lower ohm choice.
Next, pull the plastic tube off and remove all the guts. Then, cut the plastic tube to whatever length you want, and reinstall it over the head being careful not to damage the little clear oring.
You should end up with what you see in the photo (less the drip tip). Since you get five CE3 clearos in a box, you end up with five drippers you can test with.
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To clean in between testing, you could do something like THIS.
I absolutely dislike CE3's as they come, but set up as a dripper, they vape very well... and they last and work much better than people might realize. I actually vape on these things daily! The only drawback, (and I don't necessarily see this as one) is that they only come in resistance values of 2.4 - 2.6 ohms and 3.0 - 3.2 ohms from VaporAlley. You might be able to find CE3's elsewhere in lower ohm ratings, but I never really searched around. Just FYI, even at 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, they will still produce quite a bit of vapor even on a small ego battery.
Good luck with your juice!
Go to VaporAlley and buy a box or more of these. Choose whatever color you like, and probably the lower ohm choice.
Next, pull the plastic tube off and remove all the guts. Then, cut the plastic tube to whatever length you want, and reinstall it over the head being careful not to damage the little clear oring.
You should end up with what you see in the photo (less the drip tip). Since you get five CE3 clearos in a box, you end up with five drippers you can test with.
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To clean in between testing, you could do something like THIS.
I absolutely dislike CE3's as they come, but set up as a dripper, they vape very well... and they last and work much better than people might realize. I actually vape on these things daily! The only drawback, (and I don't necessarily see this as one) is that they only come in resistance values of 2.4 - 2.6 ohms and 3.0 - 3.2 ohms from VaporAlley. You might be able to find CE3's elsewhere in lower ohm ratings, but I never really searched around. Just FYI, even at 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, they will still produce quite a bit of vapor even on a small ego battery.
Good luck with your juice!
I have a relatively cheap recommendation for you...
Go to VaporAlley and buy a box or more of these. Choose whatever color you like, and probably the lower ohm choice.
Next, pull the plastic tube off and remove all the guts. Then, cut the plastic tube to whatever length you want, and reinstall it over the head being careful not to damage the little clear oring.
You should end up with what you see in the photo (less the drip tip). Since you get five CE3 clearos in a box, you end up with five drippers you can test with.
View attachment 201285
To clean in between testing, you could do something like THIS.
I absolutely dislike CE3's as they come, but set up as a dripper, they vape very well... and they last and work much better than people might realize. I actually vape on these things daily! The only drawback, (and I don't necessarily see this as one) is that they only come in resistance values of 2.4 - 2.6 ohms and 3.0 - 3.2 ohms from VaporAlley. You might be able to find CE3's elsewhere in lower ohm ratings, but I never really searched around. Just FYI, even at 2.4 - 2.6 ohms, they will still produce quite a bit of vapor even on a small ego battery.
Good luck with your juice!
lol not sure why but the first association i have to this is you took a car and turned it into a bicycle..
but on a more serious side.. by removing the guts did you mean the central metal shaft? i thought the atomizer is at the bottom of that. how do you take it off.. sorry the pic is small so it's hard to see details..
little clear oring - you mean the one that is supposed to seal the plastic over the metal base?
It was useless as a car, so yes, I did turn it into a bicycle... now it works!
Yes, the atomizer is at the bottom. The central shaft sits inside the atomizer and you can just pull the shaft out. Once you do, you'll see the coil and wick.
Yup, that's the little o-ring! Just be careful not to cut it when you replace the plastic tube over the atomizer.
Seriously, you can't go wrong for the performance, or price for five cleanable drippers!
ok definitely something to look to as an option .. now to see if i can find them at 2.0
not sure why i'm on this automotive gig with vaping today... first it's the stick vs automatic then the bicycles and cars... ohh well
what do you cut the plastic tube with?
i'm thinking my dremel should work... unless you have a better solution?
not sure why i'm on this automotive gig with vaping today... first it's the stick vs automatic then the bicycles and cars... ohh well
what do you cut the plastic tube with?
i'm thinking my dremel should work... unless you have a better solution?
I don't know where you can get a 2.0. You'll have to hunt around.
The tube is plastic. I just use an exacto-knife to cut it. No power tools required!
By the way, sometimes the tube is a little tough to get off the atomizer head... sometimes it just flies off. If you don't want to use your ego battery to pull on, I would suggest you also buy an 510 ego adapter. Don't get a small 510 adapter, get the 510 ego. It's larger and has more grip because of the ego threads. The tubes aren't that tough to remove, but I thought I should at least mention this. Also, be careful when you're pulling... try not to crush the plastic as you can crack it. Just a little common sense here.
Edited... By the way, you really don't have to remove the plastic tube to get everything out... I just find it easier for me.
The tube is plastic. I just use an exacto-knife to cut it. No power tools required!
By the way, sometimes the tube is a little tough to get off the atomizer head... sometimes it just flies off. If you don't want to use your ego battery to pull on, I would suggest you also buy an 510 ego adapter. Don't get a small 510 adapter, get the 510 ego. It's larger and has more grip because of the ego threads. The tubes aren't that tough to remove, but I thought I should at least mention this. Also, be careful when you're pulling... try not to crush the plastic as you can crack it. Just a little common sense here.
Edited... By the way, you really don't have to remove the plastic tube to get everything out... I just find it easier for me.
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ok exacto i have -lots... and will use... but a mini cutting disk on a dremel should cut like butter
why would you pull it using a battery? why not just use a pair of pliers to hold it?
Because when it slips out of the pliers and they close full force on skin on the side of your finger, the pain is excruciating, not to mention the resulting blood blister takes ages to heal. No I haven't done it with a clearo but past experience tells me that it's a highly likely possibility
Actually I like these little bottom coil clearos. They are cheap, and you can carry heaps of different flavours with you, or use them to test flavours. I use a dead 510 auto cigalike battery to pull them apart (my first purchase, lasted two days) and clean them before re-assembling. I will keep the drip idea in mind though, it's a very good one thanks.
Because when it slips out of the pliers and they close full force on skin on the side of your finger, the pain is excruciating, not to mention the resulting blood blister takes ages to heal. No I haven't done it with a clearo but past experience tells me that it's a highly likely possibility
Actually I like these little bottom coil clearos. They are cheap, and you can carry heaps of different flavours with you, or use them to test flavours. I use a dead 510 auto cigalike battery to pull them apart (my first purchase, lasted two days) and clean them before re-assembling. I will keep the drip idea in mind though, it's a very good one thanks.
Because when it slips out of the pliers and they close full force on skin on the side of your finger, the pain is excruciating, not to mention the resulting blood blister takes ages to heal. No I haven't done it with a clearo but past experience tells me that it's a highly likely possibility
Ouch ... can i say ouch...
i use the Nano, they are also bottom coil and i love them. but they do not seem as easily to disassemble as these do. Or to be more precise if i disassemble i'm not sure it will reassemble. there is no wiggle between the metal and plastic, when i try it feels like a sturdy 1 piece. But then they have not leaked. not once. and they last me about 3 weeks of continual use. I ordered more and am just praying that the next batch will be the same quality.
and while i'll try to disassemble the one that is now dying once it's dead... my car works as a car nicely.
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