Atomizer Rebuild Waiver?

[ryaan]

Hello,

My name is Ryan, and I am new to this forum. I have recently been to a local store in Tustin and had to sign a "Rebuild Waiver" and pay $5.00 for a rebuild. Has anyone else experienced this at any other shops?

-Ryaan

 

[Baditude]

Not actually seen this, but I've read of it. There's an element of risk and potential danger involved with rebuildables, (that's why they are considered advanced juice attachments), especially if the shop is building sub-ohm coils.

My local shop doesn't have you sign a waiver, but then they have a policy of not building coils below 1.0 ohm. They also make the first coil for free for you. It's a little time-consuming to do a build, so if there are other customers in the store doing a complete build takes away from the staff ffrom being able to serving the other customer's needs.

 

[Susan~S]

Hello and welcome to the forum. Glad to have you here!

I have never heard of a "Rebuild Waiver" but I do most my shopping online. What does the waiver say?

 

[kaznai]

My friend just picked up a drip and they gave him a waiver. I imagine it's an insurance thing because technically the battery can be dangerous. There's a sticky somewhere around here that discusses the risks of building in better detail.

 

[Baditude]

My friend just picked up a drip and they gave him a waiver. I imagine it's an insurance thing because technically the battery can be dangerous. There's a sticky somewhere around here that discusses the risks of building in better detail.

Cloud Chasing is Dangerous

 

[Rickajho]

Some shops do charge for rebuilds. It is providing a service after all. But this is the first time I have heard of any having you sign a liability waiver, which actually makes sense. It makes sense, but it may not actually hold much legal water if something goes wrong.

At least it's an indication of one shop heading in the right direction. Too many stories on ECF of shops blindly building 0.2 ohm coils, giving no safety warnings at all, and just sending people on their merry way not being informed of a damned thing.

 

[ryaan]

Thanks for all the replies. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of a "Rebuild Waiver"?

 

[nukleusx]

If you are driving from LA to Tustin for a vape shop, head down I-5 another ~8 miles or so to Laguna Hills, there is a shop there that is on the store locator ( E-Cigarette Forum | Store Locator ). I have never been charged for a build there (except I have spent tons of money there... lol).

 

[v1k1ng1001]

$5 is ridiculous. Learn to build your own.

 

[nynvolt]

Seems fair to me. I've never been charged but I always get the offer when I buy a new atty except a place in garden Grove, they didn't offer.

I had a mech after a week of trying vaping, still have my fingers. Have to assume anyone who blows their mod has a high tolerance for pain since the thing heats up fast when shorted out or drawing too much current. There is no reason why someone should avoid mechs and rebuildables as their first set up. Will save them money down the road. My twists and protanks are in a drawer and the plastic kangers went into the trash. Waste of money.

 

[dice57]

Makes sense to me, nothing wrong with cya business. Heck, say a shop builds you a beachin 0.12 ohm dual coil, needing a 40 amp continuous to run it on, least before I'd even try one on and you take it home and use a 6 amp irc batt. Heck, that ain't the vape stores fault, true he should recommend and sell the correct batts and gear to you, or insure such gear was already in you possession, but to risk my business for a $5 fee, naw, ain't gonna happen.

Truth is, I would never trust a build that I haven't built my self, taken through all the steps for proper firing and wicking, don't even get me started on wicking issues, but haven't found a vape shop yet that can out build what I've learned to do, by being a member of this forum.

If your going to go rba, do the homework, studying and practice, practice and more fraking practice, tweaking and just playing with it till it vape right. The path of the rba is not one to be taken lightly, tis serious business and serious power contained in the palm of the hand. Done correctly, one may get burned a time or 2, but more than likely, will live to build another day. Done wrongly or ill maintained, yeah goodbye Norma Jean, or something like that.

 

[nukleusx]

Truth is, I would never trust a build that I haven't built my self, taken through all the steps for proper firing and wicking, don't even get me started on wicking issues, but haven't found a vape shop yet that can out build what I've learned to do, by being a member of this forum.

If your going to go rba, do the homework, studying and practice, practice and more fraking practice, tweaking and just playing with it till it vape right. The path of the rba is not one to be taken lightly, tis serious business and serious power contained in the palm of the hand. Done correctly, one may get burned a time or 2, but more than likely, will live to build another day. Done wrongly or ill maintained, yeah goodbye Norma Jean, or something like that.

Not trying to start an argument or talk smack, though I am perfectly capable of doing builds as well as testing them out, wicking, etc etc. I happen to trust the more experienced employees at this particular b&m; as before I was even into mechs they pointed me toward certain building videos online. By the time I was into mechs I had already obtained a fairly good amount of build knowledge and safety knowledge from the said employees and videos on youtube and other places.

With that said, I take my stuff in for a rebuild when I need it if I do not have the time to fiddle around and get frustrated at home for the greater part of an hour. With how busy I am with work and other aspects of life, sometimes I just want my gear to work as it was intended and don't want to mess with it myself. Other times, I may have a chance to sit down and tear apart an RDA or two and get to building.

I only wish I could speak for everyone, though I can only speak for myself and my experience.

 

[williebb123]

this makes perfect sense while it wont keep them from being sued by a deep pocket customer it will make one think about coil build safety and $5 charge would encourage you to at least research if not learn to build coils yourself

 

[Vaslovik]

I can't see why one would buy a rebuildable unless they were going to do the building. Having someone else do it is something that never occurred to me. I always assumed that a large part of the point of a rebuildable to was to learn to do it yourself and do it well, not pay someone else to do it. That just makes no sense at all to me. This is the first time I've heard of that. Why would one buy a rebuildable if they had no intention of learning how to build it? I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

I wouldn't trust anyone else to be building my genny, and I most certainly wouldn't PAY them to do it.

 

[dice57]

???? Most coils last for months, wicking and dry burning, faster than driving to town. Heck, if one tank needs service just grab a different one and do maintenance when I do have the time. Tis kind of the method I use to rotate the gang to goto status.

But yeah, can understand, wasn't ditcznin or blizten, or playing reindeer games, or something like that

 

[CMD-Ky]

Building coils is kind of like hand loading ammunition. I do both. I don't use other people's hand loads or coils, nor do I load or build for others. I'll make my mistakes for myself and won't chance using the mistakes of others. There are too many variables in both processes and in the final use of both for me to risk. I understand the shop charging for time and material and I understand the attempt to avoid liability and paying for the misuse of the final product by one who potentially misuses the product. Heck, here in Kentucky, "If you gotta phone, you gotta lawyer", is broadcast all hours of the day and night. Any fool with $175 can file a lawsuit and mess up a merchant's life for years.

 

[realsis]

I would not pay 5 dollars for someone else to build. Also he made you sign a waver if you got hurt by his build, it's not his responsibility. I see that he is covering his ..... Do you even know what resistance he built for you? Not only could this be dangerous for you, he had you assume all responsibility for his build. You MUST know if his build is pushing your battery past it's limits! ! Can you answer these questions, ? What is the limit of your battery? What resistance did he build for you? Was it a sub ohm build? You really need to understand these things and be able to answer these questions. It can be very dangerous for you if your running a build past your batteries limitations. It's best to learn to build yourself and please learn how to do it safe. Know your battery, and know how to figure out 8 your pushing it too far. This is to keep you safe. I would be very cautious of anot her persons build. Especially since you signed a waiver taking all responsibility if something goes wrong. Sounds dangerous and sounds like a bad deal. Just something to think about. Did he even ask what battery you will be running it on?

 

[Bunnykiller]

I can't see why one would buy a rebuildable unless they were going to do the building. Having someone else do it is something that never occurred to me. I always assumed that a large part of the point of a rebuildable to was to learn to do it yourself and do it well, not pay someone else to do it. That just makes no sense at all to me. This is the first time I've heard of that. Why would one buy a rebuildable if they had no intention of learning how to build it? I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

I wouldn't trust anyone else to be building my genny, and I most certainly wouldn't PAY them to do it.

some people buy cars but have other people work on them.... and they do that cuz they either dont want to work on their own car or just dont know how...

 

[wheelie]

Five bucks ain't bad for a rebuild. I think I will start charging my wife for rebuilding her Kanger coils. LOL

 

[Bunnykiller]

I would not pay 5 dollars for someone else to build. Also he made you sign a waver if you got hurt by his build, it's not his responsibility. I see that he is covering his ..... Do you even know what resistance he built for you? Not only could this be dangerous for you, he had you assume all responsibility for his build. You MUST know if his build is pushing your battery past it's limits! ! Can you answer these questions, ? What is the limit of your battery? What resistance did he build for you? Was it a sub ohm build? You really need to understand these things and be able to answer these questions. It can be very dangerous for you if your running a build past your batteries limitations. It's best to learn to build yourself and please learn how to do it safe. Know your battery, and know how to figure out 8 your pushing it too far. This is to keep you safe. I would be very cautious of anot her persons build. Especially since you signed a waiver taking all responsibility if something goes wrong. Sounds dangerous and sounds like a bad deal. Just something to think about. Did he even ask what battery you will be running it on?

when dealing with some of the people wanting a build to be done by a B&M, you need to consider why they are asking for a build in the first place...
1. lack of knowledge in building
2. 99% of the time its headed towards clouds
3. since they lack the knowledge of building, its a good chance they lack knowledge of batteries too...

Lets say someone walks into a B&M and asks for a cloud making build... the builder will ( should) check the battery, the atty ( for insulator quality) and ask the user approximately what ohms hes expecting ( normal answer is "whatever it takes to blow massive clouds dude") The builder then ( should) tell the user of battery safety and low ohm build dangers, do a show and tell while building the coil(s)... educate the user, hopefully the user is watching intently..

The waiver is presented/signed before the new build mod/atty is even handed to the user... once the user walks out the door and swaps out the VTC5 for a 15A ICR X fire battery and pulls a 20 second lung hit several times in a row showing his buddies his new cloud machine... and it vents the waiver protects the B&M from the users lack of common sense

5$ is cheap for a build, many B&M's charge 10$ for a build ( especially if premium wire is used) your not just paying for a foot of wire and a pinch of Rayon, you are paying for the knowledge of the builder and the proper install of a build....