Atomizer Wicks. Period.

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devilmama

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Just so anyone else doesn't have to go sifting through hundreds of posts and trials and errors like I did, here's the down and dirty on stainless steel mesh - the holy grail of wicking (IMHO).
Ditch the silica, the fiberglass, the what-ever-fiber you have going on in your atty/tank/etc . SS mesh is clean, it doesn't burn/crumble/give off little dangerous fibers that you then inhale, and it's easy to clean and easy to replace.
With ALL credit going to ScubabatDan (o Scuba, how your tutorials have saved me much cursing...:wub:) for this info, here's the clear cut, all-in-one post:
Get 325 or 400 stainless steel mesh. I got mine from McMasterCarr. (I'm using the 325, but the 400 is a little more flexible and would probably be more versatile.) Here are the "specs" on 400, in case you want to get it elsewhere:
Material TypeStainless SteelFormWoven Wire ClothShapeSheetsMesh Size RangeFine MeshMesh Size (Fine)400 x 400Square/Rectangle Size.0015"Wire Diameter.001"Percentage of Open Area Range30 - 39Percentage of Open Area36

Now, cut a strip about 1/2" wide, give or take, by a couple inches long - you're either going to cut off teeny pieces for a regular atty coil, or have "tails" for your tank/whatever else.
Straighten a regular sized paperclip all the way out, or find some other tiny, rigid item as such (heh).
Now start rolling the paperclip up in the SS mesh. It's easier if you make a tiny fold on one edge, then squeeze and roll as you go - like rolling up a newspaper, only tiny - and the paperclip keeps the mesh roll straight. Slide the paperclip out when you're done.
Now you're gonna make that sucker non-conductive, so it's not going "pop" in a neat little tiny flash the 1st time you fire it up, and ruin all your delicate work of winding the nichrome, etc.
To do that, have a dish of water handy, a pair of needlenose pliers, and a small butane torch (or lighter - but the torch makes it go faster). Hold one end of your tidy little roll of mesh with a pair of pliers (unless you like burnt fingers), dip the roll in TAP water, then torch it until it turns red. Dip it again in the water (flash cooling), then torch it again till it's red, then do it a 3rd time. I do it 4 times just to make myself happy.
You can wind your nichrome around the longer piece, then snip it off to length - that way you're not trying to wind nichrome around a tube of ss mesh that's less than 1/4" long. :facepalm: Just make sure your coils don't touch the edges - if there's any exposed unoxidized mesh touching your coil (where you snipped it), you're gonna have a problem.
IF YOU'RE USING A LONGER PIECE FOR A TANK/CLEAROMIZER SETUP, you only have to "oxidize" the part that will touch the coil. Doing the whole piece is unnecessary and makes the mesh more brittle and difficult to bend without kinking (thus destroying any wicking ability).
Every last atty I have will be undergoing minor "wick replacement surgery" later - ss mesh gives MUCH cleaner taste, more vapor, and I'm not worrying about how much fiberglass or silica is going into my lungs, either.
The only reason why I made this post is because all this info had to come from roughly 5 or 6 other posts, mostly buried deep within older threads. Just figured this would make it easier for folks to find all the info in one spot.
(y'all can thank Scuba for this info...all I'm doing is consolidating it.)
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Scubabatdan...thanks for this info. Devilmama...thanks for consolidating.

I have been following Dan's CE2 wick mod thread and am thinking about doing this mod but I have a couple of questions.

1) Can this be done using a brand new CE2 and just slide the new wick into the existing coil? I have 10 fat wick fluxos, nine are still new in the box, and was wondering if anyone has just replaced the existing wick and if so, how did it work out?

2) Other than price, which is better to use; 304 or 316 SS. What I've found is: 304 contains 18% chromium and 8% nickel. 316 contains 16% chromium, 10% nickel and 2% molybdenum.

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I didn't have any CE2's on hand when I went to build my tank, so I sifted through my collection of cermaic atty cups to find one most like a cartomizer cup, and then used a needle and heatshrink to build my own "atty on a pole"...from what I can see in the CE2's, there should be enough wire to pull the coil just above the rim of the cup...make sure your ss mesh roll isn't any fatter than the existing wick and it should slide in there pretty well. I've replaced new atty wicks by sliding a ss mesh roll into the existing coil...same concept. Doesn't work with the used ones though...too much charred crap builds up between the coils, and no matter how gentle you are, the coil gets so misshapen that you kinda have to just rebuild & resolder it.

Edited: the 306/316....because I'm a tard :) Defer to asdaq, below...LOL...(the only alloy number I'm familiar with is sterling silver so imma shutmahmouf, haha!! :blush:)
 
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Thank's for the replies...

...make sure your ss mesh roll isn't any fatter than the existing wick and it should slide in there pretty well. I've replaced new atty wicks by sliding a ss mesh roll into the existing coil...same concept. Doesn't work with the used ones though...too much charred crap builds up between the coils, and no matter how gentle you are, the coil gets so misshapen that you kinda have to just rebuild & resolder it.

That's kinda what I was thinkin...worst case I could de-solder the positive wire from the tube and re-coil it. I don't really think I would replace the nichrome wire on a brand new carto. I am thinking of this for my tank mods...not gonna try to stuff the ss wick into a standard carto, it would probably kink and not wick well.

325 is the # of wires/ square inch, 316/304 is the alloy. The 316 is slightly better and is typically 18/10 chromium- nickel, like you have in the kitchen. The 304 is still fine, it gets used i.e. in dairy production and is certainly still food grade.

So...probably not worth twice the price for 316 then...
 

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I would recommend the 400 SS, with 34ga nichrome, have not use kathal so I can not comment on it. But for solder I use reagular silver solder.

For a new atty, I would de-solder the pos wire, and pull out the coil carefully, the pull the pos wire out of the cup, unwind it and rewrap around the SS, re-insert your pos wire through the cup, reseat the coil and resolder the pos leg.

Glad I could help!
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My quick :2c: ....I have no less than 6-7 different kinds of lead-free solder laying around (I tinker a lot...ahem) and the one that's worked the best is the simple lil' tube of "fine electrical" stuff from Harbor Freight. Was 2.99, I think. When you're done, the tube can be re-purposed for other shtuff too :D I'm sure someone else will chime in and say it's the wrong stuff for whatever reason, but I get super clean joints with it, and it hasn't melted back from coil heat. The Lennox "tinning flux" I have from Lowes has been handy with nichrome, too.
Side note...I use 36 ga nichrome...just make sure you know your ohms per foot and you can use 34, 36, 38....
 

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Side Side note :p

Just remember that the lower in number the thicker the nichrome wire is and the less restistance it has. If it is a real small area, I go with 36, so it does not have to be as long of a piece. When working with open areas I go with 32 or 34. It may just me but 34 seems to last longer than 36 due to it being thicker. Of course it could be just in my head :)
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if you could confirm the best wire, and solder to use inside the thanks that would be great. Thanks great post!

I was curious about the wires that solder to the nichrome wire that run in the tank, if need to be replaced what would be the best? I also have a question I have some nichrome wire I ordered from madvapes a while ago it says "NichromeL C" 27ohm/ ft. Is that equal or the same as nichrrome C 36g? I dont know where the "L" comes in I havent read anywhere before, and the 36g is 27ohm/ft. I ordered new stuff anyway, just wondered if anyone new a diff. I did do a search found nothing.
 

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I was curious about the wires that solder to the nichrome wire that run in the tank, if need to be replaced what would be the best? I also have a question I have some nichrome wire I ordered from madvapes a while ago it says "NichromeL C" 27ohm/ ft. Is that equal or the same as nichrrome C 36g? I dont know where the "L" comes in I havent read anywhere before, and the 36g is 27ohm/ft. I ordered new stuff anyway, just wondered if anyone new a diff. I did do a search found nothing.

I would recommend enamal coated wire, you can get it from Radio Shack. Never heard of Nichromel... only sites that list it appear to be in spanish. Could be they got there supply from a foriegn country, the C I believe stands for calibrated. But if it is 27ohm/ft then it is most likely 36ga. I would just use the simple formula ohms per foot divided by 12 equals ohms per inch. i.e. 27/12 = 2.25ohms per inch.
So just cut off the amount for the desired ohms rated coil you want to make, J hook it and get winding!
Hope this helps,
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OO, oo! Guess what I found at ye olde Rat Shack! Tiny insulated wire, just like they use in factory atties. It's called Insulated Wrapping Wire, 30 gauge, solid. It's not kept with the enameled stuff...I found this near the breadboards & whatnot. Comes in 50 foot rolls and my local store had red and blue. Enameled wire is good to go, but that enamel scrapes off so darn easy. I guess thanks to my OCD electrician husband, I prefer the insulated stuff (and if it melts in the ceramic cup passthrough holes, it just seals the holes off and locks the wire in place). The item # is 278-501.
Side note: if you have blockage in your cup holes, Harbor Freight sells tiny drill bits that fit in a dremel - comes with 2 snap-packs of 10 bits per, and it was about $7. I found that just gently reaming the holes out by hand (no dremel) with those bits works like a charm...and less sweat over cracking the cup.
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OO, oo! Guess what I found at ye olde Rat Shack! Tiny insulated wire, just like they use in factory atties. It's called Insulated Wrapping Wire, 30 gauge, solid. It's not kept with the enameled stuff...I found this near the breadboards & whatnot. Comes in 50 foot rolls and my local store had red and blue. Enameled wire is good to go, but that enamel scrapes off so darn easy. I guess thanks to my OCD electrician husband, I prefer the insulated stuff (and if it melts in the ceramic cup passthrough holes, it just seals the holes off and locks the wire in place). The item # is 278-501.
Side note: if you have blockage in your cup holes, Harbor Freight sells tiny drill bits that fit in a dremel - comes with 2 snap-packs of 10 bits per, and it was about $7. I found that just gently reaming the holes out by hand (no dremel) with those bits works like a charm...and less sweat over cracking the cup.
Hope this helps someone :)

Cool, Hey I use the mico bits for porting carborator jets. They are probably the same ones, diamond tipped.
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These are the ones I have:
http://www.amazon.com/20pc-MICRO-DRILL-INDEX-61-80-Plastic/dp/B000TY190C
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I can't find a link to the ones I have but they're not diamond tipped. I almost paid the extra for the diamond tip but then realized these cups are so delicate, a regular rasp style bit should work. They look like drill bits but are designed to work more like a rasp...each bit has a color-coded disc around the center. Wish I could find 'em on the website. :(
 

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Here maybe this might help...
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Dan, once again thanks for the legwork on collecting the info. The spread sheet is simple and efficient – what a handy resource. I’m having a hard time trying to figure out how to get those 68 coils of 16ga into the cup though… any ideas?
 
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