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She's behavin' these days. Stirring the pot when it suits her. Don't get me started on Palin.How's Sarah these days?
How's Sarah these days?
Looking pretty smart considering what's going on with the Russians. Looks like Mitt was right also.
Well, sad day in La La Land today.
L.A. E-Cigarette Ban Approved | The Informer | Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA Weekly
L.A. E-Cigarette Ban Approved | The Informer | Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA Weekly
Of all the people who vape, no one has enough dirt on the politicians to stem this tide?
This was a foregone conclusion, unfortunately. It seemed to have too much momentum, with what appeared to be most council members beating the these-aren't-safe-and-emit-particulates drum all day long in the news today.
Sad, really.
Glad I don't live or work in the City of LA. And, I'll certainly keep my dollars from being spent within the city limits... not that they care.
Sad, really.
Glad I don't live or work in the City of LA. And, I'll certainly keep my dollars from being spent within the city limits... not that they care.
As a resident of Los Angeles, this makes me sick to my stomach. the level of ignorance and buffoonery within the City Council in regard to this ordinance is astounding.
Some delineation needs to be inserted between smoking and vaping. Too many new vapers still use the term "smoking" when referring to their ecig. That fact that it's a mist or fog, not smoke needs to be stressed.
I personally think that much of the limited government based ecig testing is withheld because it's not what anti-vapers wanted to see. The truth is that vaping is a great alternative to smoking and also a valid path to quitting cigarettes without most of the stress of cold turkey cessation. Still, they see our vapor and equate it with smoke. It's an invalid assumption that needs to bee corrected. Some still use the antifreeze propaganda.
I applaud those who have contacted their legislators. I have done so with the ones I have access to. We all should.
Almost every time I see a state or municipality exercising anti-smoking rulings to include ecigs, I cringe.
I personally think that much of the limited government based ecig testing is withheld because it's not what anti-vapers wanted to see. The truth is that vaping is a great alternative to smoking and also a valid path to quitting cigarettes without most of the stress of cold turkey cessation. Still, they see our vapor and equate it with smoke. It's an invalid assumption that needs to bee corrected. Some still use the antifreeze propaganda.
I applaud those who have contacted their legislators. I have done so with the ones I have access to. We all should.
Almost every time I see a state or municipality exercising anti-smoking rulings to include ecigs, I cringe.
Recall that where the distinction between vaping and smoking is clear, they just redefine the words such that vapor is smoke and thus vaping is smoking. None of the logic or the opportunity to reduce smoking and to save smokers' lives seems to matter--all that matters is that vaping "looks" like smoking, and therefore must be smoking. So, with a stroke of the pen, we can now all look forward to hiding in a dumpster with the trash to enjoy a vape. And the rest of society appears to be fine with that.
The industry itself is guilty of perpetuating the smoking = vaping problem by calling them e-cigarettes. Even our forum does it, and our general discussion forum is called "E-smoking." We can't expect the public to differentiate between smoking and vaping when the industry itself perpetuates the problem by using the same terminology.
There'd be the same demeaning attitude if we all walked around vaping our Nicorette inhaler. It wouldn't matter if we had a prescription and our doctor condoned it (my doctor is on board with my ecig vs cigarettes). Anti-smokers are all about anything that looks like smoke.
One day all the smokers will die natural deaths and vapers will be the new target, I suppose. We will just become the new anti-smoking bullseye if we can't get a handle on converting the mental processes of the anti-anything crowd.
The truth, spread throughout the country will help. The more vapers there are the more power (and opposition) we will experience.
One day all the smokers will die natural deaths and vapers will be the new target, I suppose. We will just become the new anti-smoking bullseye if we can't get a handle on converting the mental processes of the anti-anything crowd.
The truth, spread throughout the country will help. The more vapers there are the more power (and opposition) we will experience.
I doubt it makes the slightest bit of difference what we call it--it still "looks" like smoking to the City Council of Los Angeles. It was pointed out that were it later discovered that vaping is harmless, it still looks like smoking, and thus they'd ban it anyway. My words, here, but that was the essence of what I read in the LA Times.
I'm so tired of this BS nanny state making up our minds for us and passing laws while ignorning science and fact in an effort to impose their individual agendas upon us. If I weren't so tied down to the entertainment business for employment I'd be looking sooner rather than later to get out of this ever-increasing hell hole state of oppression. Rest assurred, I am out of this state as soon as financially possible.
Democrats (from all locations): Please sign this petition and share it far and wide!
http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes?
http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes?
The Los Angeles Council hearing today was one of the biggest charade I've ever witnessed!
Personal vendetta won.
Almost all council members lined up like sheep behind this travesty proposal.
It was clear as light that the faith of the proposal was decided before the meeting started.
They came in with vehement speakers, some so-called doctors, reciting from documents written in the yesterdays, where they just had to replace the word "cigarette" with the word "e-cigarette". These so-called specialist delivered speeches comparable, in tone and nature, to what one would expect to hear at North Korean Communist Party meetings. It was appalling! Lies piled on top of lies.
"Our" city attorney, the former waiter O'Farrell (the ordinance's mastermind) and the rest of the elected bovines, pat each-other on the back, celebrating victory, when hearing was over. A few councilmen seemed reserved in making this decision and asked a few questions: Buscaino, Bonin, Fuentes, Blumenfield, Price and Krekorian. Of all just Price and Krekorian (my district's councilman) voted "absent". Cedillo was absent, so the measure pass with a 12 - 0 - 3 vote. It is now heading to the mayor's office for signature.
Unfortunately the vapers side was very poorly represented. Only Dr. Jeff Stier (Director of National Center for Public Policy Research Risk Analysis) was there to shed some light on the subject. The Los Angeles vendors got their deal last week in the committee meeting so they didn't bother to show up. We're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of vapor shops and lounges - NOT one soul... I assume they are all comfortable knowing that the exception was made regarding vaporizing in shops and lounges. But hey, the hell with the costumers.
Sorry about displaying my frustration, just had to vent.
Personal vendetta won.
Almost all council members lined up like sheep behind this travesty proposal.
It was clear as light that the faith of the proposal was decided before the meeting started.
They came in with vehement speakers, some so-called doctors, reciting from documents written in the yesterdays, where they just had to replace the word "cigarette" with the word "e-cigarette". These so-called specialist delivered speeches comparable, in tone and nature, to what one would expect to hear at North Korean Communist Party meetings. It was appalling! Lies piled on top of lies.
"Our" city attorney, the former waiter O'Farrell (the ordinance's mastermind) and the rest of the elected bovines, pat each-other on the back, celebrating victory, when hearing was over. A few councilmen seemed reserved in making this decision and asked a few questions: Buscaino, Bonin, Fuentes, Blumenfield, Price and Krekorian. Of all just Price and Krekorian (my district's councilman) voted "absent". Cedillo was absent, so the measure pass with a 12 - 0 - 3 vote. It is now heading to the mayor's office for signature.
Unfortunately the vapers side was very poorly represented. Only Dr. Jeff Stier (Director of National Center for Public Policy Research Risk Analysis) was there to shed some light on the subject. The Los Angeles vendors got their deal last week in the committee meeting so they didn't bother to show up. We're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of vapor shops and lounges - NOT one soul... I assume they are all comfortable knowing that the exception was made regarding vaporizing in shops and lounges. But hey, the hell with the costumers.
Sorry about displaying my frustration, just had to vent.
At least Fuentes asked questions, but I'm still bitter - I wrote to him twice with links to research and personal testimony and got no response. My third email (today) let him know this voter would not be voting for him again.
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