Attn: Veterans re: Jacksonville News Report

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mrbussy

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To any veteran that is more articulate and knowledgeable than this newb, please post comments to this news report from this morning in Jacksonville Florida . The verbal lead in was "The Dangers" not the "Pros and cons " as the print states. If the link does not work the official Web Site is: WJXT news channel 4 the morning show. http://www.news4jax.com/consumer-news/consumer-reports/E-cigarette-pros-and-cons/-/1934720/10366084/-/15i1wbn/-/index.html My two concerns is the comment "unknown chemicals" and "ban".
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LOL I miss the good ole days of journalism where reports weren't cherry picked and were presented in a fair and honest manner. A friend is a newscaster and he told me the word of the day is excite and hype the news. Witness NBC canning an executive recently for editing a 911 call and having it aired. Morals, ethics, responsibility...these are words and themes I grew up with but seem to be "dust in the wind".
 

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This was the latest article I saw on consumer reports. I think there is another, I'll check.

Do e-cigarettes help smokers quit?
These battery-powered electronic cigarettes deliver vaporized nicotine without tobacco, tar, or other chemicals
Consumer Reports magazine: May 2012

More than 45 million Americans smoke cigarettes, the leading preventable cause of death in the U.S. Unfortunately, some stop-smoking methods, including nicotine gum and patches, are less effective than previously thought, according to a recent study in the journal Tobacco Control.

Enter battery-powered electronic cigarettes, which deliver vaporized nicotine without tobacco, tar, or other chemicals in regular cigarettes. (But nicotine itself has health risks of its own and is extremely addictive.) Their battery heats a cartridge of liquid nicotine solution, creating an aerosolized mist that the user puffs, or “vapes.”

Though e-cigarettes emit no smoke, they deliver an experience like smoking, including the way they’re held and the LED tip. Last year, 2.5 million Americans tried one. The cost: up to $100 for a starter kit, which often includes the e-cig unit, two rechargeable lithium batteries, and five flavor cartridges. (Each cartridge equals roughly one pack of cigarettes.)

Fans and foes

Proponents of e-cigarettes say they’re more healthful than the conventional type and that they might help smokers quit tobacco. Some research backs that up. In a study published last year in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, researchers interviewed more than 100 e-cigarette users and found that most were former smokers who had used the devices to help them quit. They’d tried to stop smoking previously an average of nine times, and two-thirds had tried a cessation drug approved by the Food and Drug Administration. A recent review of the available (albeit meager) scientific evidence on e-cigarettes in the Journal of Public Health Policy concluded that “electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality.”

Critics say that too little is known about the safety of e-cigarettes, which are unregulated. Some experts also worry that their availability online—where a user need only click a box saying he or she is 18—could entice children and teens to try them. So could some of the flavors, such as piña colada and vanilla.

In 2010, the FDA tried to block the sale of some e-cigarette brands, arguing that they’re marketed as smoking-cessation devices, which the agency regulates. A court disagreed. Now, some states (including Mississippi, New Jersey, and Utah) and cities have proposed or enacted bans on the sale or use of e-cigarettes.

Bottom line. Talk to your doctor before trying to quit smoking with e-cigarettes. Because they’re not regulated, safety is a question and you use them at your own risk.
 

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Here is the other.

E-cigarettes help smokers kick the habit, says study
Sep 15, 2011 1:00 PM


A new study examines how electronic cigarettes—which deliver vaporized nicotine minus the smoke and tar of regular cigarettes—are most commonly used. Published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice, the study found that almost all of the individuals interviewed felt that e-cigarettes had helped them quit smoking.

Based on more than 100 interviews, the study found that the majority of interviewees had used e-cigarettes daily for at least a year. Seventy-eight percent reported not using any tobacco in the previous 30 days, although they had previously smoked an average of 25 cigarettes per day, and had tried to quit smoking an average of nine times before they started using e-cigarettes.

Two-thirds of those interviewed had tried to quit smoking using an FDA-approved smoking-cessation medication. Three quarters started using e-cigarettes with the intention of quitting smoking, and almost all felt that the e-cigarettes had helped them to quit.

When it came to specific e-cigarette use, two-thirds said they used e-cigarette liquid with a medium to high concentration of nicotine. Most used e-cigarettes designed to achieve a hotter more intense vapor, and not the the most widely sold e-cigs powered by a 3.7 volt battery.

The study's authors concluded that until there is more evidence about the safety and efficacy of e-cigarettes that smokers should use proven treatments like counseling and FDA-approved medicines. They add, however, that "for those who have successfully switched to e-cigs, the priority should be staying off cigarettes, rather than quitting e-cigs."

Bottom line: Our biggest concern is still the unknown safety of e-cigarettes. Unlike other smoking devices, e-cigarettes are not regulated by the Food and Drug Administration, and there are concerns that they may contain potentially harmful chemicals, such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient in antifreeze. Despite being met with resistance, the agency continues its push to regulate e-cigarettes. Until more is known, we suggest that if you want to quit smoking, stick with medically-proven cessation aids.

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Electronic cigarettes (e-cigs): views of aficionados and clinical/public health perspectives [International Journal of Clinical Practice via Wiley]

—Maggie Shader
 

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A recent review of the available (albeit meager) scientific evidence on e-cigarettes in the Journal of Public Health Policy concluded that “electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality.”

How about that, yet still few want it to succeed, other than us, cause of revenue generated by tobacco smoker/users.
 

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Thanks for the info. Yep in 2008 18 billion collected in Tobacco taxes with many orgs and their executives pulling in FAT salaries as long as smokers are around.
Oddly enough most people's Dr's fully endorse the ECig, after seeing the results, but only privately. My GP, Surgeon and Dentist are all supportive of my vaping.

How about that, yet still few want it to succeed, other than us, cause of revenue generated by tobacco smoker/users.
 

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Thanks for the info. Yep in 2008 18 billion collected in Tobacco taxes with many orgs and their executives pulling in FAT salaries as long as smokers are around.
Oddly enough most people's Dr's fully endorse the ECig, after seeing the results, but only privately. My GP, Surgeon and Dentist are all supportive of my vaping.

I bet that doesn't include taxes on the quit smoking products and Rx's. That is in fact a huge figure, but I am sure the actual figure when including all the secondary & tertiary products related to tobacco use far exceeds that. Thanks for that info BTW, I knew the figure would be huge just based on the fed and state taxes imposed on tobacco products, which in some areas are very high.
 

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No offense to the original poster but I think that article is funny. They didn't say anything bad about the ecig. The FDA doesn't approve "holistic pills," or "herbal supplements." Those can easily kill someone. When they make a statement about the FDA not approving something I think they need to take a look at what a crappy job they are doing evaluating anything that can effect someone's health.
 

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No offense to the original poster but I think that article is funny. They didn't say anything bad about the ecig. The FDA doesn't approve "holistic pills," or "herbal supplements." Those can easily kill someone. When they make a statement about the FDA not approving something I think they need to take a look at what a crappy job they are doing evaluating anything that can effect someone's health.

The FDA has very little credibility these days. Maybe it's their point of view-- must be pretty narrow from that far up the pharmaceutical industry's .....
 

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It should be noted that the article (Consumer Reports dated Sep 15, 2011) concludes with the statement:

"Until more is known, we suggest that if you want to quit smoking, stick with medically-proven cessation aids."

is followed by the article (Consumer Reports magazine: May 2012) which begins with the statement:

"More than 45 million Americans smoke cigarettes, the leading preventable cause of death in the U.S. Unfortunately, some stop-smoking methods, including nicotine gum and patches, are less effective than previously thought, according to a recent study in the journal Tobacco Control."

I think these articles, taken in their chronological order, show a shift in emphasis of which methods are effective. I think it shows progress and the cracks in the foundation of the FDA's reasoning. They were wrong (probably fudged it all) and are now being drawn into question.

People would be better off without smoking. I don't think that statement is arguable.

Some people can quit smoking without e-cigs. True.

Some people cannot quit, even with e-cigs. Also true.

Neither side can say they have the complete solution. E-cigs may provide the harm reduction that saves lives and aid hard core "reluctant smokers" (people who have repeatedly tried to quit by various means) to reduce the amount they smoke.
 
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Thanks for the link, I live in Jax and missed this. I posted this comment to their site:

I was a 27 year pack a day smoker and had tried everything to quit but always went back to smoking, I got my first e-cig kit in Sep 2010 and have not smoked since about 10 days after starting vaping. I cant imagine going back to smoking now, just the smell is nauseating and cant imagine anyone going from vaping to smoking. The safety is definately an issue and as such I only buy from reputable dealers, as far a FDA approval, they approved Chantix as a smoking cessation method but I believe the data suggests far worse side effects to .... use. All the online sites I have bought from or looked at make it clear that e-cigs and associated products are for sale only to those 18 and over. I would not suggest vaping to a non smoker but for smokers over 18 it is the best smoking alternative I have found. For anyone wanting more information feel free to check out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com

I will try to contact them for further discussion, thanks!
 
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Thanks for the link, I live in Jax and missed this. I posted this comment to their site:

I was a 27 year pack a day smoker and had tried everything to quit but always went back to smoking, I got my first e-cig kit in Sep 2010 and have not smoked since about 10 days after starting vaping. I cant imagine going back to smoking now, just the smell is nauseating and cant imagine anyone going from vaping to smoking. The safety is definately an issue and as such I only buy from reputable dealers, as far a FDA approval, they approved Chantix as a smoking cessation method but I believe the data suggests far worse side effects to .... use. All the online sites I have bought from or looked at make it clear that e-cigs and associated products are for sale only to those 18 and over. I would not suggest vaping to a non smoker but for smokers over 18 it is the best smoking alternative I have found. For anyone wanting more information feel free to check out http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com

I will try to contact them for further discussion, thanks!

Good and keep us posted.
 
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