Atty Issue - New Cisco 510 LR - Help Please

[FreeFlow]

So I bought 10 x Cisco LR 1.5 oHm atty's from Vapor Flow. First one I used is great, the second one I tried tasted very very burnt. Dripped 6 drops to prime, vaped, just awful burnt taste, tastes like im using a 1.5 ohm atty at 6v but its only 3.7v. OK maybe it needs more juice. 3 more drops, still burnt and now leaking so it clearly has enough juice. Blew it out and tried again, 6 drops, tastes burnt, 3 more drops, tastes burnt. Ok moving on, i'll try another new atty. Grabbed another and same thing. Grabbed another and its fine.

I don't have a multimeter.

I have a Cisco 306 that acted kinda the same way when i first got it, I couldn't vape it.. but i went back to it a few times, it always tasted the same, until one day it tasted fine..

Any idea what the problem is? Do some atty's need to be "worked in" to get rid of this nastiness? Is it not wicking? i don't understand what the issue could be..

P.S

I dont want to pull my wick because i bottom feed and whenever i pull my wicks it doesn't feed well.

Thoughts/Suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

[basilray]

Hey Bud,

You gotta' get a multimeter! They are super cheap on eBay. I got min for $5USD shipped to my door!

That being said, I have not had similar issues w/ the Cisco 306's or 510's. They MAY need some break-in for optimal vapor production, but I have not experienced any taste issues during that time. You may find that a fully charged battery is really rocking those Cisco attys. Mine have all metered at 1.4 ohm, even though they are stamped 1.5.

If the they do not seem to "break-in" you could try rinsing them w/ water. They are not supposed to come w/ primer, but that may have changed.

 

[uba egar320]

Maybe look down in there and see if the wick is touching the heating element. Other than that, I haven't a clue.

My bad, didn't see your remark on the wick.

 

[modistru]

Hey Flow-

I agree with Basil. There is most likely some form of primer in there or oxidation accumulated if there isn't. The cleaning method I use bi-weekly for my LR attys:
1) run under hot water, cart side up for 15 seconds
2) blow them out
3) repeat 1+2, 10x
4) use a compressed air can to really blow it out
5) dry burn on an eGo
- Burn until you see glow, wait 15 seconds
- Burn while blowing on glowing coil, 5~10 seconds, wait 15 seconds
- Continue burn/blow step until no smell/vapor
6) Prime with 6 drops/wait at least 2 minutes before use

BTW, I use EM-LR5 atties on an eGo and a Reo. I always pull the wick out and follow the above procedure before first use. I have never had an issue with the bottom fed Reo or the eGo with the BFD mod going wickless. I have only lost two attys since early May. One because I dry burned on a fistpack (my bad) and another about a month ago (I believe because I didn't clean it in a month). Now I only dry burn on the eGo because of it's <3.7v and clean bi-weekly. I easily go through 3ml a day with a lightly colored juice. YMMV.

 

[basilray]

Hey Flow-

I agree with Basil. There is most likely some form of primer in there or oxidation accumulated if there isn't. The cleaning method I use bi-weekly for my LR attys:
1) run under hot water, cart side up for 15 seconds
2) blow them out
3) repeat 1+2, 10x
4) use a compressed air can to really blow it out
5) dry burn on an eGo
- Burn until you see glow, wait 15 seconds
- Burn while blowing on glowing coil, 5~10 seconds, wait 15 seconds
- Continue burn/blow step until no smell/vapor
6) Prime with 6 drops/wait at least 2 minutes before use

BTW, I use EM-LR5 atties on an eGo and a Reo. I always pull the wick out and follow the above procedure before first use. I have never had an issue with the bottom fed Reo or the eGo with the BFD mod going wickless. I have only lost two attys since early May. One because I dry burned on a fistpack (my bad) and another about a month ago (I believe because I didn't clean it in a month). Now I only dry burn on the eGo because of it's <3.7v and clean bi-weekly. I easily go through 3ml a day with a lightly colored juice. YMMV.

That's also the same procedure I follow for deep cleaning. Otherwise, when switching flavors, etc. - I just blow it as clean as I can into a kleenex, dry burn a bit, blow it out again, and drip a new flavor. I do this several times a day w/o issue on EM and Cisco LR's.

 

[FreeFlow]

Thanks for the responses, i'm going to try one on an eGo and see if that changes things but i'm not optimistic.

I'll also try the wash and dry burn, my problem is whenever i do the dry burn, my atty's perform much better, BUT i then always taste burnt. I'm sure i'm just doing it wrong..

So when I see the glow I stop pushing the button for 15 seconds? or hold button for 15 seconds of red glow? i usually do the latter and that's why i assume it tastes burnt after. And you literally do the dry burn until no vapor is produced? really? sounds crazy to me lol.

 

[modistru]

I blow on it while burning, then give it 15 seconds to cool off before doing it again. Remember though, I do not have a wick in there! Any yes, after washing it out it should only be gunk burning. The 'vapor' would only be gunk & excess water/steam. When nothing is produced, it should be clean & dry.

 

[FreeFlow]

ok, will give it a go tonight when im home.

thanks again

 

[basilray]

Thanks for the responses, i'm going to try one on an eGo and see if that changes things but i'm not optimistic.

I'll also try the wash and dry burn, my problem is whenever i do the dry burn, my atty's perform much better, BUT i then always taste burnt. I'm sure i'm just doing it wrong..

So when I see the glow I stop pushing the button for 15 seconds? or hold button for 15 seconds of red glow? i usually do the latter and that's why i assume it tastes burnt after. And you literally do the dry burn until no vapor is produced? really? sounds crazy to me lol.

Well, that burnt taste could be the wick. I would say you don't want to dry burn an atty for more than 3 to 5 seconds. You can do this a few times. I dry-burn for a few seconds, and blow on the atty while I'm doing it. This will force the juice and any condensation into the batt connector. It will also (at least my theory) keep it from getting too hot.

Since you're using all those fancy bottom feeders, you don't need a wick, so you could remove it. It will boost performance and leave you w/o that nasty burnt wick taste.

 

[FreeFlow]

I may have to do that, idk my Ali'i doesn't seem to like no wicks. But maybe these atty's will be different. I have 10 so i guess i can sacrifice one to test.

As i type this i decided i'm going to go straight to removing the wick, i have a feeling that will solve the burnt taste problem, i just hope it still feeds well. when i remove the wicks i need to feed more often, i assume because the atty isn't holding as much juice.. but what do i know.

Well, that burnt taste could be the wick. I would say you don't want to dry burn an atty for more than 3 to 5 seconds. You can do this a few times. I dry-burn for a few seconds, and blow on the atty while I'm doing it. This will force the juice and any condensation into the batt connector. It will also (at least my theory) keep it from getting too hot.

Since you're using all those fancy bottom feeders, you don't need a wick, so you could remove it. It will boost performance and leave you w/o that nasty burnt wick taste.

 

[basilray]

I may have to do that, idk my Ali'i doesn't seem to like no wicks. But maybe these atty's will be different. I have 10 so i guess i can sacrifice one to test.

As i type this i decided i'm going to go straight to removing the wick, i have a feeling that will solve the burnt taste problem, i just hope it still feeds well. when i remove the wicks i need to feed more often, i assume because the atty isn't holding as much juice.. but what do i know.

It depends...if you also remove the bridge, then probably yes. If you leave the bridge in, the atty won't leak near as much (in my experience at least). The real purpose of the wick is to get juice out of the cart and into the atty coil. Since you're not using carts, you don't need a wick.

You may have to feed a bit more than normal, and that need will look much greater as the Cisco LR's REALLY like juice. But, with a fancy Ali'i or Phidias...I think you'll survive.

 

[FreeFlow]

I just remembered.. you know how i mentioned i have a 306 that behaved the same way in my OP. Well I just remember that i pulled that wick, and that's probably why it doesn't taste burnt anymore. AND that 306 feeds just fine on my Ali'i.

Now i'm excited

 

[guitardedmark]

So I bought 10 x Cisco LR 1.5 oHm atty's from Vapor Flow. First one I used is great, the second one I tried tasted very very burnt. Dripped 6 drops to prime, vaped, just awful burnt taste, tastes like im using a 1.5 ohm atty at 6v but its only 3.7v. OK maybe it needs more juice. 3 more drops, still burnt and now leaking so it clearly has enough juice. Blew it out and tried again, 6 drops, tastes burnt, 3 more drops, tastes burnt. Ok moving on, i'll try another new atty. Grabbed another and same thing. Grabbed another and its fine.

I don't have a multimeter.

I have a Cisco 306 that acted kinda the same way when i first got it, I couldn't vape it.. but i went back to it a few times, it always tasted the same, until one day it tasted fine..

Any idea what the problem is? Do some atty's need to be "worked in" to get rid of this nastiness? Is it not wicking? i don't understand what the issue could be..

P.S

I dont want to pull my wick because i bottom feed and whenever i pull my wicks it doesn't feed well.

Thoughts/Suggestions are greatly appreciated.

interestingly enough I just got an order of one of these from vaporflow and I had the exact same experience. When I looked at the atty I noticed the bridge foil was wrapped around the bridge and covered up the holes so there was no access to the wick. I also noticed the wick was very poorly placed. I didn't want to f with wick too much so I just took a tweezers and pulled the bridge foil up so there was an opening to the wick. Now it vapes very good

 

[guitardedmark]

Thanks for the responses, i'm going to try one on an eGo and see if that changes things but i'm not optimistic.

I'll also try the wash and dry burn, my problem is whenever i do the dry burn, my atty's perform much better, BUT i then always taste burnt. I'm sure i'm just doing it wrong..

So when I see the glow I stop pushing the button for 15 seconds? or hold button for 15 seconds of red glow? i usually do the latter and that's why i assume it tastes burnt after. And you literally do the dry burn until no vapor is produced? really? sounds crazy to me lol.

If it tastes burnt after a dry burn that your probably not rinsing it good enough before or after. If you dont rinse it enough before you will burn the juice into the bridge. If you dont rinse it enough after the dry burn, you will be vaping ash

 

[FreeFlow]

interestingly enough I just got an order of one of these from vaporflow and I had the exact same experience. When I looked at the atty I noticed the bridge foil was wrapped around the bridge and covered up the holes so there was no access to the wick. I also noticed the wick was very poorly placed. I didn't want to f with wick too much so I just took a tweezers and pulled the bridge foil up so there was an opening to the wick. Now it vapes very good

AWESOME!

That is great news, thanks for sharing

 

[guitardedmark]

It depends...if you also remove the bridge, then probably yes. If you leave the bridge in, the atty won't leak near as much (in my experience at least). The real purpose of the wick is to get juice out of the cart and into the atty coil. Since you're not using carts, you don't need a wick.

You may have to feed a bit more than normal, and that need will look much greater as the Cisco LR's REALLY like juice. But, with a fancy Ali'i or Phidias...I think you'll survive.

I slightly disagree. The purpose of the wick when dripping is to hold juice so you don't have to drip as much. It also doesn't leak as bad. Also, contrary to popular belief, the wick does should not ever burn. The material used in these wicks has no melting point. What does happen, is juice gets caught in the wick and it gets burnt. A thorough rinse (or boil) with hot water should get the juice out of the wick.

 

[guitardedmark]

I've removed quite a few bridges and wicks from different attys and I'm really not a fan of it. They hold a lot less juice, easier to flood which results in leaking, and they get A LOT hotter which can blow attys.

 

[Caddyman]

i got a bunch of cisco 510's from clouds of vapor. i took them out of the package, burned the primer off (they had primer on them), then dropped a few drops and they are good

to burn the primer off i use my ego, fire until coil is red, let cool for a sec, repeat till there is ALMOST no vapor coming out, then put some juice on

you DO NOT want to dry dry burn them with no nothing on them or they will pop, quick. (learned the hard way)

 

[guitardedmark]

you DO NOT want to dry dry burn them with no nothing on them or they will pop, quick. (learned the hard way)

They can pop but if you want to clean the coils by dry burning this they must be dry. I think dry burning is the best way to clean a coil. Honestly I think its the only way that works AND is safe.

 

[basilray]

I slightly disagree. The purpose of the wick when dripping is to hold juice so you don't have to drip as much. It also doesn't leak as bad. Also, contrary to popular belief, the wick does should not ever burn. The material used in these wicks has no melting point. What does happen, is juice gets caught in the wick and it gets burnt. A thorough rinse (or boil) with hot water should get the juice out of the wick.

The wick's only true purpose is for cartridges. Period. While it may hold some juice for drippers, it also holds flavors. Meaning I can't easily blow out an atomizer and try a different juice. The wick will hold onto the flavor of whatever it absorbed. I don't have the time or energy to boil an atomizer when I want to switch up flavors, nor do I wish to carry multiple attys on me ever (unless I'm traveling). W/o a wick, I can blow out and atty and I'm good to go.

As for the leaking, if you are filling an atty to the point it leaks, you are overfilling. The wick isn't holding that much juice. If you have removed the bridge, then sure, an atty will be more prone to leakage. The wick in and of itself is not going to keep an atty from leaking, or have a significant impact on it.

The entire purpose of dripping is to optimize flavor and keep from having to deal with messy and inefficient carts. The entire point is that you put in a few drips, take a few puffs, and put in a few more drips. You should not be filling to the point where the atty leaks, nor should you be expecting the atty to "hold more juice". That's what cartomizers or carts are for.

For a juice-fed device, such as FreeFlow rocks, the wick is absolutely not necessary, as the juice is fed from the bottom, rendering the wick nearly useless.