AW 18650 batteries and safety

[Jorge22]

I pre-ordered one of those Lavatubes bound to arrive in the second half of October now. They seem fairly protected, which is great.
Anyway, I bought a pair of 18650 AW IC Li-ion Rechargeable 2200 mah with protection built-in batteries and an Ultrafire Rapid Charger WF-188 charger for them. I hear simultaneously so many nice and horrible things about them I'm now totally confused.
Are there any experts out there who could point out the very essentials about both the charger (that is supposed to be "protected" itself; so, we now have protected batteries, a protected mod and a protected charger) and the batteries without getting too technical?
Is there real danger here or is it just a lot of fright? Can the batteries be left in the charger overnight as I do with my lithium cell phone batteries or my X Power batteries or is that a true danger? Is the charger really safe as I've read or isn't it? AW says they will last about 500 cycles - is that true? Oh, well, anything you might think relevant. Thank you so much.

 

[Dalton63841]

It's a whole bunch of FUD. Here's the key points:

1. Any charger rated for 3.7v 18650 will be fine.
2. It is NOT good to leave the batteries on the charger overnight. (NOT dangerous, but it will shorten the life span of the battery)
3. 500 cycles is a rough average. That number will be different for everyone depending on how often the batteries are cycled, how much amp draw is pushed through the batteries, etc..

In nutshell, if you use either Protected Li-Ions, or Deep Discharge IMR's, sit back and enjoy your vape.

 

[riverwhiskey]

What's the difference between Red, Black and Green AW batteries. I know one is unprotected. But should one be aware of the difference when purchasing AW batteries?

 

[fray]

What's the difference between Red, Black and Green AW batteries. I know one is unprotected. But should one be aware of the difference when purchasing AW batteries?

red is unprotected safe chemistry IMR high drain. It is a lithium manganese that is "safe chemistry" so does not require protection.

Black is protected lithium ion

Green is unprotected? Not sure about that one

 

[mv2envy]

Dont go by color! AW makes blue IMR's Red IMR's and blue non-IMR's. Look at the description.

 

[tybin]

buy a multimeter

 

[fray]

Dont go by color! AW makes blue IMR's Red IMR's and blue non-IMR's. Look at the description.

Where? Do you have a link? I would like to see a blue imr from AW

 

[Dalton63841]

Where? Do you have a link? I would like to see a blue imr from AW

AW makes black and silver Protected, red High Drain, light blue ICR, and medium blue Unprotected.

 

[mv2envy]

Where? Do you have a link? I would like to see a blue imr from AW

Go to SuperT's website. They sell 10440 blue IMR's and 10440 blue non-IMR's.

 

[cozzicon]

I pre-ordered one of those Lavatubes bound to arrive in the second half of October now. They seem fairly protected, which is great.
Anyway, I bought a pair of 18650 AW IC Li-ion Rechargeable 2200 mah with protection built-in batteries and an Ultrafire Rapid Charger WF-188 charger for them. I hear simultaneously so many nice and horrible things about them I'm now totally confused.
Are there any experts out there who could point out the very essentials about both the charger (that is supposed to be "protected" itself; so, we now have protected batteries, a protected mod and a protected charger) and the batteries without getting too technical?
Is there real danger here or is it just a lot of fright? Can the batteries be left in the charger overnight as I do with my lithium cell phone batteries or my X Power batteries or is that a true danger? Is the charger really safe as I've read or isn't it? AW says they will last about 500 cycles - is that true? Oh, well, anything you might think relevant. Thank you so much.

You may want to stick with IMR batteries.

The Lavatube may possibly use the same boost chip that the Provari does. In which case you need the higher C rating of an IMR.

 

[mv2envy]

Callies Kustoms 3100mah 18650's have a very high discharge rate also. And double the capacity of a AW IMR 18650.

 

[Jorge22]

Well, I have the ones I have now and from the reviews I read they seem fine. I think they'll do just fine, but thanks.

 

[Jorge22]

The thing is a lot of people are into the IMR 1600 mah, I know. I suppose they may be better in ways. Worse in others. I could well have bought a 2900 mah. Or a 2600 mah for that matter, since it's highly praised. But I did buy the AW IC 18650 2200 mah protected and I ask - what's so particularly wrong with it if not mere details?

 

[fray]

The thing is a lot of people are into the IMR 1600 mah, I know. I suppose they may be better in ways. Worse in others. I could well have bought a 2900 mah. Or a 2600 mah for that matter, since it's highly praised. But I did buy the AW IC 18650 2200 mah protected and I ask - what's so particularly wrong with it if not mere details?

The real advantage of imr high drain batteries is they can take a lot higher current load than lithium ion. The issue with using protected batteries in boost mods is the current protection can kick in. If the current protection is set to 2 amps on a battery then it will cut out at 2 amps where a high drain will handle it.

You get more on a charge for higher mah protected lithium ion batteries, but could lose functionality.

 

[Jorge22]

Well, the Lavatube (or Power VV Mod or Vulcano Voltaje Variable Mod or whatever they may call it) is set to stop things at 2.5 amps, just like the Provari. I believe my batts may be able to handle that.

 

[fsroq]

I think your battery will perform fine If it has 2.5C or more discharge rate. 2.5*2200Mah would make for 5.5 amps.

Then 2.5 amps is the output. It has a booster who could eat another 2 amps if cranking up the voltage, so as far as the battery, it could be forced to deliver around 4.5 amps for an output of 2.5 amps at 5.5 or 6 volts.

 

[Jorge22]

From what I've just seen (if I'm not mistaken because it's harder to find out than it would seem), the maximum discharge rate would be something like 5.2 A, meaning I should be perfectly fine with them.

 

[fsroq]

Maybee this helps. and yes, the 2600´s have 5.2 amps discharge rate.

18650 battery test 2011

 

[Jorge22]

A bit complicated with all those graphics and all. I just read the 5.2 amps for the 2200 in a forum... If there's some mistake it may be small, I guess.

 

[fsroq]

Hi Jorge

You can asume for most of the Li-Ion batterys that they have a discharge rate of 2C. This from the real capicity, not the rated from the factury. I see the 2200,s have 2050 mesured, so should produce 4.1 amps. Myself I use allways trustfire 2400, who happen to have a C rate of 2.1, and a real capicity of 2450, wich makes 5.145 amps.
I am not going to discus the pros and cons of the AW Li-Ions, they are a trusted brand, performing well. Many consumers dont want anything else. Then most of the modders get trustfire for some reason, like myself.