Back after 2 year relapse - need advise.

[tinajfreeman]

Hey, about that huge stash of supplies...I have some 2 year old juices and they are still quite vape-able. I'd use them. They may have lost some of their potency or flavor, but you could always buy some DIY flavorings to add if that is the case. I have read nothing here that suggests 2 year old juice is harmful, just may have lost some flavor or potency.

I am "doctoring up" with added flavor some of my old juices rather than throw it out.

I don't think there even is a "shelf life" for the pg/vg. That should be good indefinitely, IMO.

 

[exodus454]

In all honesty, I'd suggest a buzz pro. They're super simple to use, fall about middle of the road as far as price is concerned and the ability to custom tailor your vape with variable voltage will probably play a big role in not getting frustrated and throwing in the towel again. You can make the vape as light or heavy as you need to.

I've had 3 friends that all tried to quit using 510's and ego's - none of them succeeded their first time. I got my buzz, they followed suit and now none of them would ever dream of picking up another analog (or dropping their buzz!). I wish I had just went right for the buzz rather than wasting all my money on 510s, egos, rivas, e-powers, etc.

Battery will last a moderate-heavy vaper a little more than all day, lighter vapers will easily get 2-3 days before having to change batteries. There's no buttons or menus or screens to worry about - set your voltage with the thumb wheel and you're good to go.

If you're looking for consistency, I'd start out with some boge cartos and an M1A1 tank. Cartos are fantastically consistent these days ESPECIALLY when you compare them to atty+cartridges. Boges are cheap, work well and combined with a carto tank will give you that "just topped off" flavor and vapor for a day or more with no fuss.

 

[MickeyRat]

In all honesty, I'd suggest a buzz pro. They're super simple to use, fall about middle of the road as far as price is concerned and the ability to custom tailor your vape with variable voltage will probably play a big role in not getting frustrated and throwing in the towel again. You can make the vape as light or heavy as you need to.

That's actually a good suggestion and you're right, it probably would be a very consistent vape. The thing is Pesok hasn't answered two very critical questions. How much is he willing to spend and can he stand the thought of something that has no resemblance to a cigarette. Looks really do count with many and that while that combination with the right colors is a good looking device, it still doesn't resemble anything most people have ever seen. Also by the time you get batteries, a charger, cartos and maybe juice, you're still looking at upwards of $150 and he may not be willing to spend that much.

I did pretty well on egos before stepping off into mods. Some of those I tried were homemade.

Pesok, I suggested this in another thread. If you're really just wanting to dip your toe in and get an idea of where things are, there is a very inexpensive retail option. Go to a Walgreen's Drug and get a Blu disposable. It's not going to last long but, it's reputed to be decent for what it is. That's an expensive way to go long term but, around here they go for around $8.00.

BTW exodus454 please allow me to introduce myself to the owner of BuzzPro #1130. I'm the owner of BuzzPro #031.

 

[pesok]

sorry i was out for a while but back home now. Thank you to all for advises!
As per MickeyRat(and other before him/her) - answers to those 2 Q's:
1) I am spending upwards of $300 on analogs a month - so i would be willing to spend up to $300 if what i am getting is recommended by my fellow e-ciggers. I want to get the top of the line for vapor and functionality - if its really worth it will spend up to $1k on it. Lotsa of vapor(can never have enough of it) and lasting at least an hour before recharges(i can go through 6 analogs to a full pack in one sitting when working within an hour). For example i just placed a $230 order for analogs and those will last me under a month(hopefully when its gone i am fully set with my new vaping system(whatever you guys think it should be) and never have to order/buy analogs ever in my life(at least for myself)
2) Like i said i am smoking mostly in my office so will be open to use something that doesnt resemble an analog - but would also(in addition) pick up something that does(and works good) for those times when i want to vape on the run

 

[pesok]

after reading(and rereading) all the suggestions - looks like Buzz Pro and/or Provari are on the top for suggestions for most vapor/best performance. Is that right? If so which would you recommend(i do like the digital readout display on provari but would sacrifice it for performance in a blink of an eye). Where is the best(cheapest/most reliable) place to get Buzz Pro/Provari and which set exactly do i actually need??? Ready to order now - just need final thoughs/suggestions from you guys!!!

 

[exodus454]

after reading(and rereading) all the suggestions - looks like Buzz Pro and/or Provari are on the top for suggestions for most vapor/best performance. Is that right? If so which would you recommend(i do like the digital readout display on provari but would sacrifice it for performance in a blink of an eye). Where is the best(cheapest/most reliable) place to get Buzz Pro/Provari and which set exactly do i actually need??? Ready to order now - just need final thoughs/suggestions from you guys!!!

I don't know about the provari because I haven't bought one. For the Buzz, I'd purchase it from Notcigs directly.

You'll need a Buzz (obviously), and then on the order page you can select a bunch of options. You have whatever thread style you'd prefer (510, 801, etc) for the top cap, and then you can pick brass or chrome for the finishes. Then pick your body color. I'd get the powerizer kit which will include one set of batteries and a charger.

Then from there, you should also get another set of the powerizer (RCR123a) batteries to have as a backup. I rotate my batteries on the charger once a day and never have downtime longer than it takes me to change them. I'd also add an M1A1 tank - they're absolutely worth it. 1" size will fit standard size cartos (boge, etc), and 1.5" will fit the XL length cartos.

After all that, you can use "ECF BUZZKILL" to get a discount on your order.

Another thing that helped me decide when I was looking was Pbusardo's reviews on Youtube if you haven't seen them already. He's quite good at giving honest, in-depth, no-BS reviews on this kind of stuff.

Buzzpro - A PBusardo Review - The Buzz Pro VV Mod from NotCigs - YouTube
Provari - A PBusardo Review - The Provari V2 - Provape - YouTube

I'd give both of them a watch before making a decision!

 

[zapped]

Looking back through your posts, I would recommend a Provari with a Phiniac tank especially if your looking for a top-of-the-line experience and consistency.Smoktek sells pre-punched tank cartos in either dual or single coils and in different sizes.

That setup has helped me finally get off analogs for 3 weeks now and I couldnt be more impressed.Being able to dial in the right voltage for my juice and more importantly being able to get that same hit that I used to get off freshly charged batteries EVERY time has made all the difference in the world.

There really isnt much of a performance issue between the Buzz and the Provari from what Ive seen.I will say that the Provari's digital menu is super easy to learn and has features you dont see in the Buzz like being able to turn the button light off for stealth vaping and being able to check your battery charge and atomizer resistances on the fly.Provari is also on sale right now for 169 bucks with two different models.

Good luck whatever your choices

 

[exodus454]

There really isn't much of a difference performance wise from what I can acertain. The buzz "just works", whereas the provari has all the bells and whistles. It really comes down to personal preference.

Would it be cool to have a provari with all that technostuff? Absolutely. Do I feel that it would enchance my vaping experience over my buzz? Not at all. Numbers don't really mean much when you just dial it to where you like it, and I have to say it's nice not getting caught up in all that "I vape at 4.36v" crap.

Although I'll absolutely admit if I could get a provari at a decent price I wouldn't hesitate at all.

 

[Cookster]

Provape has also come out with the Mini...you can have different configurations with different batteries. It has a smaller profile, and will give you more options. Just make sure you get enough batteries for backups.

 

[MickeyRat]

sorry i was out for a while but back home now. Thank you to all for advises!
As per MickeyRat(and other before him/her) - answers to those 2 Q's:
1) I am spending upwards of $300 on analogs a month - so i would be willing to spend up to $300 if what i am getting is recommended by my fellow e-ciggers. I want to get the top of the line for vapor and functionality - if its really worth it will spend up to $1k on it. Lotsa of vapor(can never have enough of it) and lasting at least an hour before recharges(i can go through 6 analogs to a full pack in one sitting when working within an hour). For example i just placed a $230 order for analogs and those will last me under a month(hopefully when its gone i am fully set with my new vaping system(whatever you guys think it should be) and never have to order/buy analogs ever in my life(at least for myself)

I have to laugh. Things really have come a long way since you were doing this. I doubt anyone that is answering you would settle for less than 4 hours between charges and you'll settle for an hour. Everything we've talked about including a $60 ego kit will do 4 hours easily.

2) Like i said i am smoking mostly in my office so will be open to use something that doesnt resemble an analog - but would also(in addition) pick up something that does(and works good) for those times when i want to vape on the run

As for the best, well as in most things in this area, it's a matter of opinion. The four that come to mind are:

GG
Darwin
Provari
Buzz Pro

However, the GG is outrageously priced and almost impossible to get. The Darwin is a little less outrageously priced and almost impossible to get. There's a new kid out there that has a lot of potential called the Vmax. It hasn't been around long enough to know but, in theory it could blow both the Provari and the Buzz Pro out of the water. So we're really talking about the Provari and the Buzz Pro.

They are both good devices and I don't think you'll be dissatisfied with either one. However, there's no real magic here, a good VV device is going to do what a good VV device does. So, with just a couple differences, there's not going to be a lot of difference in the vape.

The Provari has outstanding fit and finish. It has buttons to go up or down and a nifty display. With up/down buttons, you need a display because you have no other way to tell where you are. It uses one battery and boosts the voltage. From a battery standpoint that's a little safer but, it gives it a lower top end. The Provari will top out at around 4.7V on a 1.5 ohm dual coil. That should be enough for most.

The Buzz Pro isn't a bad looking mod but, it's not as well built as the Provari. All it has is a knob and a button. You don't really need a display because you get to knowing where you like that knob pretty quickly and it's just up and down from there. It uses two stacked batts. That's not as safe but, it does have a lot of built in protective circuitry. So, I wouldn't call it unsafe. On a 1.5 ohm dual coil, it tops out at around 5.3V.

Both are well known for durability. If you think an hour between charges is acceptable, they will both blow you away on battery life. I wouldn't sacrifice the battery life to go with the Provari mini though. The Provari is more expensive and for me the difference isn't worth it so I own a Buzz Pro.

As for what to put on it. I don't like filler so I don't use tanks but, they are very convenient. Fill up the tank and you're good for the day. On the Provari, I'd probably go with the Phiniac tank. Notcigs sells an M1A1 tank in the same colors as the buzz. With matching colors the M1A1 looks pretty good on the Buzz so that's what I'd recommend if you choose to go that way.

 

[pesok]

after reading your answers i am definetley going for Buzz Pro or Provari. Q is which? I guess it all comes down to price. Can someone link me to both and to all the accessories i would need(tanks and batteries) or perhaps a kit??

 

[pesok]

Doesnt let me delete - so plz read my above post 1st then this:

ok after watching the reviews provided by Exodus(thank you m8) i am leaning towards Provari V2. Seems that the performance is the same between Buzz Pro and Provari V2(plz correct if i am wrong anywhere - will be appreciated greatly) and its not as time-consuming to set the options on Provari as i initially thought(with Buzz Pro its still faster - but being a geek i do like the LCD display of the Provari). So unless someone has anything to add in favor of Buzz Pro i will be going with Provari V2.

Now - what do i need to get with it? Can i use any of my old attys at all(DSE-901 and some others) or should i just start from 0(with the juice as the exception - will try to use my old juice since most of u guys believe it might still be good - as well as i will get back into mixing my own flavored juices)? Does the tank come with a kit - and which tank fits best with Provari V2?? Anything else i should get/know??? Will be ordering shortly - so need to know the final details. Do those devices last a long time(with daily use) or do i need to replace them after 1/2/3/10 years??? Again any additional input will be appreciated and thanked!!!

 

[juicejunky]

CHeck out bottom feeders if you want to keep it simple. Fill the bottle and vape away with no leaks or bottles of juice loose on your desk.


My favorite set up is a REO grand from reosmods.com, a PILA charger and 18650 batteries from rtdvapor.com, and 1.5 LR short HH.357 attys from avidvaper.com, and a Cherry Vape Universal drip tip also from rtdvapor or a number of other places. The Grand and HH.357 attys are in short supply and sold out right now, but they come around often enough that you should be able to get them before you run out of cigarettes.


Welcome back.

 

[zapped]

86 the bottom feeders if your set on getting a Provari.

All you really need is a Phiniac Tank found at Phiniac.com (poly tanks will work as well but wont last as long as the pyrex and poly WILL crack with certain juices like cinnamon) and some 501 cartomizers since thats the connection that the Provari uses.I use Smoktek.com and their prepunched tank cartomizers.They also sell Alien Visions e juice directly from their site so its one stop shopping. I highly recommend Bobas Bounty, Gorilla Juice and Hype.

Just like you, Im coming off of two years smoking and this exact setup has kept me off cigarettes for the longest stretch Ive ever been without breaking down and buying a pack.Good luck and if you have any more questions about anything were all here to help.

 

[pesok]

Since i want to get the newest/best tech out there and sort of forget about it for at least a year- the new kid in town - VMAX is suppose to be better than Provari v2 and Buzz Pro both?? And it seems to be cheaper as well and also has 3 digit LCD(Provari has 2 digit). Anyone has any experience with that one?

Also in regards to Buzz Pro - there seems to be a newer version of it and its about $15 more expensive than the regular Buzz Pro - is it worth it?(link)

 

[zapped]

Since i want to get the newest/best tech out there and sort of forget about it for at least a year- the new kid in town - VMAX is suppose to be better than Provari v2 and Buzz Pro both?? And it seems to be cheaper as well and also has 3 digit LCD(Provari has 2 digit). Anyone has any experience with that one?

Also in regards to Buzz Pro - there seems to be a newer version of it and its about $15 more expensive than the regular Buzz Pro - is it worth it?(link)

Vmax is a Provari clone from what Ive been able to gather so I dunno how its supposed to be better.I think thats someone confusing price versus actual value.Provari and Buzz both have longer warranties and are serviced here in the States.

Cant tell ya much about the differences in the Buzz but Im sure someone else here can.

 

[MickeyRat]

ok after watching the reviews provided by Exodus(thank you m8) i am leaning towards Provari V2. Seems that the performance is the same between Buzz Pro and Provari V2(plz correct if i am wrong anywhere - will be appreciated greatly) and its not as time-consuming to set the options on Provari as i initially thought(with Buzz Pro its still faster - but being a geek i do like the LCD display of the Provari). So unless someone has anything to add in favor of Buzz Pro i will be going with Provari V2.

Link to Provari
Link to Buzz Pro

Well there are other opinions. Here's a comparison of the two that might help.

CHeck out bottom feeders if you want to keep it simple. Fill the bottle and vape away with no leaks or bottles of juice loose on your desk.

I'm a big fan of bottom feeders. I have a Reo mini and a VV Woodvil on the way. Once you get the hang of them, they are great. That's the catch though, you do have to get the hang of them. A tank is more set it and forget it IMO.

Vmax is a Provari clone from what Ive been able to gather so I dunno how its supposed to be better.I think thats someone confusing price versus actual value.Provari and Buzz both have longer warranties and are serviced here in the States.

Cant tell ya much about the differences in the Buzz but Im sure someone else here can.

I said the Vmax had the potential to blow both the Provari and the Buzz Pro out of the water. I didn't say it would and there's a reason for that. The big difference between the Vmax and both devices is the current current carrying capability. The Provari and the Buzz Pro are both rated at around 3.5A. The Vmax is rated at 5A. While the Provari and Buzz Pro will take a 1.5 ohm carto to 4.7 and 5.3V respectively, in theory the Vmax could go over 7V. Frankly I think anyone that wants to take a 1.5 ohm carto that high must want to set their hair on fire. I also wonder about damaging the batteries which better be IMR.

 

[MickeyRat]

Now - what do i need to get with it? Can i use any of my old attys at all(DSE-901 and some others) or should i just start from 0(with the juice as the exception - will try to use my old juice since most of u guys believe it might still be good - as well as i will get back into mixing my own flavored juices)? Does the tank come with a kit - and which tank fits best with Provari V2?? Anything else i should get/know??? Will be ordering shortly - so need to know the final details. Do those devices last a long time(with daily use) or do i need to replace them after 1/2/3/10 years??? Again any additional input will be appreciated and thanked!!!

Forgot to answer these questions. Both the Provari and the Buzz Pro will work fine with a 901 with an adapter. The Buzz can be bought with a 901 native connection. I don't know about the Provari. If you go back a couple posts, you'll see the tanks I recommended. Those will go on cartomizers with 510 threads. Your juice might be good, you'll just have to try it.

 

[pesok]

ok thanks to all i finally placed my orders. Ended up going with Provari V2(with extended cap and bigger batteries(AW IMR 18650 2000 mAh)), Pila 4 Stage Charger(its better be worth the price tag), big(6ml) and small(3.5ml) tanks with 1.5om + 2om single and dual coil cartomizers (want to try all to see if there is any difference), 510-901 Adaptor(want to see if can still use some of my old attys) and some smaller stuff like aluminum tips and such.
Thank you all for advises - if all goes well will also get a V-Max a bit later, and might get Buzz Pro as well.

 

[mylose64]

I had a one or two month relapse recently.

My batteries were never charged, and my DIY e-juice began to suck. I blame it on the PG 36mg nic juice from madvapes I used for mixing

Before I knew it I was smoking cigs like a boss. I almost got to a pack a day when I pulled all nighters for school. I don't think I ever smoked that much ever. Maybe it was because I was vaping high nic liquid and I got even more addicted to nicotine?

I know people will suggest different set ups, but I think what really matters is the e-liquid.

I forgot the analogy, but someone on the forum said something like

"It's not just the Jet that gets you somewhere, but It's also the fuel."

I probably screwed that one up really bad lol.

But yeah...
Find a good juice

I could have the perfect set up such as a Joye Ego with a Map tank and perfect cartomizer, but if that juice sucks I might go back to ciggs.


I went back to e-cigs last week. Today I left my cartomizers at home and I was at class all day and surprisingly didn't have a problem at all. I even went with my friend during a break so he could smoke a cigarette.

He offered me one and I had no urge what so ever.
I just said "nah" and leaned up against the wall and waited for him to finish.

best feeling ever.