back to the beginning :D

[Bad Ninja]

ISo (even if you do not like it) Chinese coils do dominate world of vaping (again, not counting cigalikes, they are disgusting). Wake up, it's different century, different millennium outside already.

Your right, ( in gross sales) they do dominate a market without a single bit of competition.
Easy to place first when your the only one in the race.

However you totally missed the point of my posts.

Cheap prebuilt coils have a much higher fail rate regardless of where made. Insanely high compared to a hand built proper coil with genuine kanthal.

Pairing cheap premade coils with mechanicals is a bad idea, IMHO.
Just seems like common sense to anyone with any experience.

90% of my gear is made in China and near flawless, however none have or use prebuilt coils.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Your right, ( in gross sales) they do dominate a market without a single bit of competition.
Easy to place first when your the only one in the race.

However you totally missed the point of my posts.

Cheap prebuilt coils have a much higher fail rate regardless of where made. Insanely high compared to a hand built proper coil with genuine kanthal.

Pairing cheap premade coils with mechanicals is a bad idea, IMHO.
Just seems like common sense to anyone with any experience.

90% of my gear is made in China and near flawless, however none have or use prebuilt coils.

I am missing your point again.
Why to use premaid coils in mechs? They exist (as I understand) for other things. And I do not even want to talk about them - I am not a collector or a hobbyist.
What is "cheap" premaid coil? What is "expencive" one?
I have used no more than 10 cheap premaid coils, from Fasttech (protank coils). Not a single failure. Sure, statistics is not great at all, but nevertheless...

 

[Bad Ninja]

I am missing your point again.
Why to use premaid coils in mechs? They exist (as I understand) for other things. And I do not even want to talk about them - I am not a collector or a hobbyist.
What is "cheap" premaid coil? What is "expencive" one?
I have used no more than 10 cheap premaid coils, from Fasttech (protank coils). Not a single failure. Sure, statistics is not great at all, but nevertheless...

1. All of them. They are all cheaply made and sold wholesale in bulk for about a penny a piece. There is no room for high quality control or testing anything at that price point no matter where a product made or what it is.
Just logic.

2. Premade coils are not recommend to be used on mechanical mods by any knowledgeable vaper.
Mechanical mods are usually labeled "for advanced users only".

3. You use protank coils on a mech and never had one DOA? You eventually will. Guaranteed.
You have read the risks, and you are an adult. I have no problem with that.


I will still advise new vapers to never use premade coils on a mechanical mod because they do sometimes come shorted in the pack and shorted atomizers on mechs can cause a serious health/ safety risk.

 

[AndriaD]

1. All of them. They are all cheaply made and sold wholesale in bulk for about a penny a piece. There is no room for high quality control or testing anything at that price point no matter where a product made or what it is.
Just logic.

2. Premade coils are not recommend to be used on mechanical mods by any knowledgeable vaper.
Mechanical mods are usually labeled "for advanced users only".

3. You use protank coils on a mech and never had one DOA? You eventually will. Guaranteed.
You have read the risks, and you are an adult. I have no problem with that.


I will still advise new vapers to never use premade coils on a mechanical mod because they do sometimes come shorted in the pack and shorted atomizers on mechs can cause a serious health/ safety risk.

The absolute crap-quality is one reason I got interested in rebuilding. No, they don't cost much, but after I pay for something, then sit here twiddling my thumbs waiting for it, I expect it to WORK. For more than a day or two. The coils I build last for MONTHS. And cost even less!

Andria

 

[Bad Ninja]

The absolute crap-quality is one reason I got interested in rebuilding. No, they don't cost much, but after I pay for something, then sit here twiddling my thumbs waiting for it, I expect it to WORK. For more than a day or two. The coils I build last for MONTHS. And cost even less!

Andria

I started vaping to break the tether, not find a new one.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Interesting. You have stuck in 1980ies.
For your information, most of vaping innovation is coming now from China and it grabbing greates market share (we are not talking about cigalikes for sure).

Just three Chinese companies:
iSmoka/iLeaf – iStick, MELO, Lemo, GS, etc.
Kangertech – KBox, Subox, Emow, Subtank, Aerotank, Protank, etc.
Innokin – MVP, iTaste, Cool Fire, iClear

They produce innoivative and relatively cheap things. Who can stand up to them? May be Joyetech, but that's it. So (even if you do not like it) Chinese coils do dominate world of vaping (again, not counting cigalikes, they are disgusting). Wake up, it's different century, different millennium outside already.

Alien, okay, we agree, it's all from China. They made crap in the 80s too; still putting it out, by the train load.

Are you saying the quality is great? What are you saying?

I don't like or dislike the fact that China dominates the market. I avoid their attys and stock coils is all I am saying....since they are poorly and cheaply made.

 

[AndriaD]

I started vaping to break the tether, not find a new one.

I started vaping to come in from the cold; anything else that resulted was strictly gravy.

Andria

 

[tj99959]

1. All of them. They are all cheaply made and sold wholesale in bulk for about a penny a piece. There is no room for high quality control or testing anything at that price point no matter where a product made or what it is.
Just logic.

2. Premade coils are not recommend to be used on mechanical mods by any knowledgeable vaper.
Mechanical mods are usually labeled "for advanced users only".

3. You use protank coils on a mech and never had one DOA? You eventually will. Guaranteed.
You have read the risks, and you are an adult. I have no problem with that.


I will still advise new vapers to never use premade coils on a mechanical mod because they do sometimes come shorted in the pack and shorted atomizers on mechs can cause a serious health/ safety risk.

A prebuilt coil from china is nothing more than a piece of wire (usually Nichrome) wrapped around a piece of silica string. Aside from a coil getting crushed in shipping, what's to go wrong?!? Why is it different than a "cheaply made" Chinese chip set placed in a regulated PV that everyone here seems so willing to trust explicitly.

 

[Bad Ninja]

A prebuilt coil from china is nothing more than a piece of wire (usually Nichrome) wrapped around a piece of silica string. Aside from a coil getting crushed in shipping, what's to go wrong?!? Why is it different than a "cheaply made" Chinese chip set placed in a regulated PV that everyone here seems so willing to trust explicitly.

So you use prebuilt coil heads and have never had one DOA?
Are you trying to say they are safe for new vapers to use on mechanical mods?

Be specific.
Let's keep this in context.

 

[Alien Traveler]

So you use prebuilt coil heads and have never had one DOA?
Are you trying to say they are safe for new vapers to use on mechanical mods?

Be specific.
Let's keep this in context.

If you mean coils like these:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/3...ichrome-pre-coiled-wires-for-rda-atomizers-50
I would say they are safer for beginners than self-maid coils.

 

[tj99959]

So you use prebuilt coil heads and have never had one DOA?
Are you trying to say they are safe for new vapers to use on mechanical mods?

Be specific.
Let's keep this in context.

No, I don't use "coil heads" prebuilt or otherwise.
I have however used prebuilt coils in RDAs in the past with never a problem. I used exactly the same cautionary procedures that I use when I wrap the coil myself.

This is a coil wrapped for an A7, tell me, did I wrap it myself, or was it wrapped in China?

 

[bluecat]

If you mean coils like these:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/3...ichrome-pre-coiled-wires-for-rda-atomizers-50
I would say they are safer for beginners than self-maid coils.

Probably safer for people like me to. I am horrible at making my own coils. I am just glad they generally get covered up and the only time I see them is when I am wearing my cheaters while wrapping them. They definitely won't win any picture contests. It is so much easier to buy a premade coil, secure, wick and vape. My 13 year old can wrap a better one than myself. My guess is she can see what she is doing. If I can just get her off instagram for a second, I would be a happy father.

 

[niczgreat]

Let's get back on Topic.
I began vaping 6 years ago and my choice of equipment keeps changing.
A few months ago I felt like you did. Been bottom feeding on a Reo Mechanical for many years.
Then I did my research and tried a new rig.

Just like the other times I've upgraded-switched it keeps getting better. Every few years I try something new and end up liking it.

My new rig is a cloupor 80 Gt, it has that new fangled TC (Temp Control) [Don't use it because don't trust Nickel.] Will go up to 80 Watts but I haven't seen
the need for more than 40-50 Watts.

Vaping at 40 -50 Watts on a Crown Tank .25Ohm Dual Ss [Stainless Steel] is the best vape that I've experienced. The only problem is that the vapor is so
voluminous that it's hard to stealth vape. So I have a lesser sized mod and tank coming in for stealth vaping.

Keep in mind that the advances are designed to provide a superior vaping experience. They are improving the technology to improve the experience, not
just to make changes.

Nothing wrong if you are happy with your current setup but some of the new options on the market are really great.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Keep in mind that the advances are designed to provide a superior vaping experience. They are improving the technology to improve the experience, not
just to make changes.

Nothing wrong if you are happy with your current setup but some of the new options on the market are really great.

Yes. And many people of indigenous tribes when they were introduced to alcohol strongly believed that more is better. Were delighted in speedy developments of alcohol market. Did not knew about alcoholism.

 

[tj99959]

The only problem is that the vapor is so voluminous that it's hard to stealth vape.

Which simply means that more liquid was vaporized. Seems like the whole industry is geared to more-more-more.
Each of us needs to decide for ourselves when more is enough.

For me, more became to much when a 1600mAh battery wouldn't last all day, and I used more than 5ml of juice/day.

 

[motordude]

I hope you guys don't eat out much. I have worked on restaurant equipment in the past, and was disgusted at some of "upscale" restaurant conditions.
Just to put this in perspective.

 

[niczgreat]

Which simply means that more liquid was vaporized. Seems like the whole industry is geared to more-more-more.
Each of us needs to decide for ourselves when more is enough.

For me, more became to much when a 1600mAh battery wouldn't last all day, and I used more than 5ml of juice/day.

I used to vape 36mg Juice. With my REO Setup mechanical with RBA I moved it down to 6mg and with my Cloupor GT Setup I'm down to around 3mg.

I don't think that my nicotine consumption has risen.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I used to vape 36mg Juice. With my REO Setup mechanical with RBA I moved it down to 6mg and with my Cloupor GT Setup I'm down to around 3mg.

I don't think that my nicotine consumption has risen.

For me nicotine consumption is not as important as juice consumption.

 

[BackDoc]

Alien, your directness is amusing, Your Arrogance.....annoying

 

[tj99959]

I used to vape 36mg Juice. With my REO Setup mechanical with RBA I moved it down to 6mg and with my Cloupor GT Setup I'm down to around 3mg.

I don't think that my nicotine consumption has risen.

You're right, your daily nicotine consumption has probably stayed about the same ..... it just took about 5 times as much juice to get it.
(Figuring you probably went from 3ml/day to 15ml/day)

Spending more by needing to buy more juice is the name of the game, and is what has driven the market for a couple of years now.