Bad advice

[Mr. Anderson]

What, if anything, should I say to the owner/employees of a local store when they push completely new vapers(my buddy) to buy mech mods and set up .3 ohm micro coils without making sure they are equipped with an ohm reader and the knowledge of ohm's law and battery safety?

i know this is the second post kinda raggin on B&Ms I've put up today. I'm not trying to sound like a negative nancy here. I would love to see more storefront vape stores, and I enjoy hanging out in them quite a bit. I'm just a little shocked because I saw at least three people in the store today who had no idea what they were doing, yet were given sub ohm setups.

I feel like this kind of stuff can only end badly for the consumer (burns/injuries), the store(lawsuits), and the vaping community as a whole(more strict regulations)

Once again I'm really trying to avoid looking down on B&Ms. Realistically I'm only trying to help. I'm just not sure what to say to the owner without coming off as holier than thou.

 

[dopamine1]

I feel like this kind of stuff can only end badly for the consumer (burns/injuries), the store(lawsuits), and the vaping community as a whole(more strict regulations)

Yep, and make it more likely that they will just go back to smoking when they can't get these setups to work for them. IMO people should be starting with something reliable and user friendly, like a good ego kit. NOT a mechanical mod and RDA. Unless they're electricians or something.

 

[Baditude]

I agree completely with you. Unfortunately, the only thing short of the FDA stepping in to over-regulate vaping, would be for some unfortunate accident to happen causing injury to a customer and that customer suing the vape shop for negligence.

This sort of thing has already happened when a customer received severe facial injuries after a mod exploded. Details were understandedly kept hush-hush from a medical/legal perspective, but the mod manufacturer who made the device was sued and lost his business. It may well take another incident to occur and the vape shop found to be at fault before ALL vape shops begin educating their customers and promote safe vaping themselves.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/not-advisable/584259-my-stacked-battery-experience-3.html#post13705157

 

[Rickajho]

Unfortunately if the customer is all googly eyed from watching You BooB cloud videos and dumb enough to not know what they are getting into, if and when an accident occurs all the shop owner will say is "Dude! You did it wrong!" And dude with the 3rd degree burns on his hands will go "Oh uh ok." And that will be the end of the safety lesson. And probably the lawsuit. (If you aren't smart enough to understand Ohm's law you probably aren't smart enough to see a law suit staring you in the face. Neither the customer or the shop owner.)

I appreciate your concerns but you can't win this one. Let Darwin explain it to them.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Yeah, it was just depressing. I don't understand how people can be so careless. I managed to steer my buddy away from the rba's and got him an aero tank instead, but the whole time we were there the employees didn't even mention a regulated mod or a tank. My buddy already managed to blow up an ego while he charged it, and at least for now has no interest in learning about ohms law or anything else safety related. Which is totally fine, tanks are much less hassle and I did that for a long time and managed to stay completely satisfied. But that being said, he has absolutely no business running around with an rba because of it.

I may just stick to online vendors for now I suppose.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Oi. Scares the crap out of me to hear stories like this. It's cowboy moves like this by B&M's that will hurt our cause.

One such setup gone horribly wrong will make more press than 100 studies showing the efficacy of vaping. It will literally be a smoking gun (or rather, pipe bomb).

 

[Baditude]

Mr. Anderson, I've experienced a similar situation in a vape shop myself recently: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/583531-beginners-ignorance-sub-ohm-vaping.html

 

[Scaralouche]

Talk to the manager about the liability. If he seems unresponsive, there's always Yelp, Google, and if they have a Facebook page, post that story if you can. I can't imagine any proprietor of a business hearing this story and not wanting to take action immediately. I don't know what the pay structure is at that store, maybe the kid was on commission and earlier that day had "the talk" from the owner/manager that he needed to step up sales or else. Our community can police itself without government intervention, but only by taking action. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing, and all that.


EDIT: Baditude, I was a happy customer of that mod maker/vendor, and heard the story was that the ..... in question used non-rechargable 3v batteries stacked in his mechanical mod, which was advised against in the printed instructions I got on said mod.

 

[Steamix]

Can't beat the math :

Increasing numbers of vapers. Increasing number of shops. Increasing number of vapers not really knowing what they're buying. Increasing number of shops not really knowing ( or caring ) what they'e selling.

Probability for folks cooking off their facial features moving up to a point where the 'if' is a given and the 'when' and 'how often' will be answered soon.

BT and BP will pounce on that for sure and milk it for all its worth to have vaping regulated into oblivion.

To get past this 'unsafe at any speed' stage, it might need some form of 'driving license' for selling or buying mechanical mods.

Not that I am happy about it. Though a 'yes, but' is a more tolerable solurion than a 'no'

 

[Baditude]

Mod explodes in man's hand.

 

[DuckGooseMan]

To get past this 'unsafe at any speed' stage, it might need some form of 'driving license' for selling or buying mechanical mods.

Not that I am happy about it. Though a 'yes, but' is a more tolerable solurion than a 'no'

That does sound kinda nice though. I would hope that most, if not all, people who sell mech mods have extensive knowledge about safety and usage for the customer's sake. However, I feel like getting a "mech mod certification" might be a bit over the top for some people.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Holy bajeesus. That looks painful. I think I'll talk to the owner next time I'm there. If that doesn't work yelp shall become my tool. He cares a lot about his yelp reviews. I'm not sure how effective talking will be seeing as I'm only 20 and he's a lot older and seems to think he knows it all. Regardless it could save somebody's face if he hears me out.

I guess realistically I'm just glad that I've taken a few physics classes and try to keep an open mind. It'd just be nice if folks were more cautious.

 

[Scaralouche]

Can't beat the math :

Increasing numbers of vapers. Increasing number of shops. Increasing number of vapers not really knowing what they're buying. Increasing number of shops not really knowing ( or caring ) what they'e selling.

Probability for folks cooking off their facial features moving up to a point where the 'if' is a given and the 'when' and 'how often' will be answered soon.

BT and BP will pounce on that for sure and milk it for all its worth to have vaping regulated into oblivion.

To get past this 'unsafe at any speed' stage, it might need some form of 'driving license' for selling or buying mechanical mods.

Not that I am happy about it. Though a 'yes, but' is a more tolerable solurion than a 'no'

I refuse to accept that it takes government anything. Model rockets don't require any regulation. If you've used or set some of those up, they can be dangerous too.

 

[Scaralouche]

Holy bajeesus. That looks painful. I think I'll talk to the owner next time I'm there. If that doesn't work yelp shall become my tool. He cares a lot about his yelp reviews. I'm not sure how effective talking will be seeing as I'm only 20 and he's a lot older and seems to think he knows it all. Regardless it could save somebody's face if he hears me out.

I guess realistically I'm just glad that I've taken a few physics classes and try to keep an open mind. It'd just be nice if folks were more cautious.

It's all in the approach man. Respectful and tactful wins the day.

 

[DuckGooseMan]

I refuse to accept that it takes government anything. Model rockets don't require any regulation. If you've used or set some of those up, they can be dangerous too.

Wow, I've never thought of it that way.

 

[Tvan]

I'm just a little shocked because I saw at least three people in the store today who had no idea what they were doing, yet were given sub ohm setups.

This isn't cool.

I spent an hr ish in my local B&M yesterday. They were selling starter kits to the new customers. More importantly, spending time to explain things even though it was busy.

 

[keepsmiling]

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Mod explodes in man's hand.

Those do not look like real photos to me.

 

[crxess]

Those do not look like real photos to me.

Also probably not appropriate for publishing on ECF.

 

[VaPreis]

Also probably not appropriate for publishing on ECF.

Right. Thanks for the heads up on the graphic imagery. I'll eat my breakfast later.

 

[cthulhufan]

Also probably not appropriate for publishing on ECF.

I believe they are. What with how many posts do we see in new member forum every day saying "Hey, guys can you help me with my 0.2 Ohm build? What's a multimeter...."

It sure isn't pretty but I don't think that everybody playing with this stuff truly appreciates the fact that it can be very dangerous if you try to be a cowboy...

Just my $0.02