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[diagrammatiks]

you might be having a severe reaction to pg. It's rare but not unheard off.

That being said I've never heard of anyone having a reaction to second hand pg.

 

[djsvapour]

So second hand vapor can affect non-vapors.

Indeed it can. Spend enough time with enough vapers vaping around non-vapers and eventually you will find someone who cannot cope at all with the vapor of even a modest e-cigarette. (note the word 'eventually' - it is very rare i.m.o.)

It just so happens I have never coughed with any household chemical from a spray canister, but the first cig-a-like I ever tried was more irritating to me than anything found in the normal run-of-the-mill life in my house.

That's why it took me a year to get to 10 watts.

 

[Baditude]

I dont know what is in the vaping stuff.

 

[Jebbn]

]Doctor said he doesn't know much about vaping. Wished me good luck

Sounds like a great doctor!!
You make an appointment to see him and explain to him, "I start coughing, and the pain literally knocks me to the ground in a fetal pose, all while coughing and my whole body just feels like some one beat the living snoot out of it. I hurt for days afterwards."

and he say's "good luck with that"


Money well spent!


Sorry to all, Im out, Im a bad person, I cant take this seriously at all.

 

[Glitch_]

Sorry to hear of your troubles.

Just some quick questions. Does this happen only around "cloud chasers" who produce large volumes of vaping clouds? Vapers in closed areas such as a car? What about around stealth vapers with minimum or no vapor produced? I know if I am around certain cloud chasers vaping fruity or sweet smelling e-liquids I can feel nauseated, but your reaction seems a bit odd.

Have you ever been checked for asthma? I have severe asthma and was a 3pad smoker as many with severe asthma are. My asthma triggers are many but mainly certain perfumes (usually expensive ones). If I get hit with a sudden, extreme attack it presents as an uncontrollable coughing fit that can double me over, feel nauseated, and (TMI) can lead to vomiting. I have also bruised or cracked a few ribs in the process.

Only a thought, but you might check into it.

Thanks for the idea, Idid get checked for asthma, had it when I was younger but it went away before highschool and did not return. The attack is worse around the clouds, but it is still real bad with the more stealth like ones. I will have to study what the differnce is thank you.

 

[sdennislee]

Sorry but I gave up when your doctor did. No way any doctor would reply good luck and dismiss you after the symptoms you describe.

As an EMT I would transport you to the ED if I rolled up on you in the condition you described.

I’m not saying people can’t have severe allergic reactions, I’m saying if you described the condition to your doctor the way you did here he would order a battery of tests. Respiratory conditions are nothing to dismiss.

Come 9 posts, all right here, either a troll or someone wanting ECF to validate the effects of secondhand vape for some gain. Color me cynical.

Would a forum be your first choice for a second medical opinion on something so severe it throws you to the ground????

 

[ExtremeDooty]

Second hand vapor knocks you to the ground and you feel beat up for days but you apparently didn't have any reaction to first hand smoke from cigarettes? That's kind of hard to believe. I don't think your Doctor took you seriously either.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Okay, I do not vape, but use to smoke cigarettes. However whenever anyone vapes around me regardless of type or flavor I have such a bad reaction that I start coughing, and the pain literally knocks me to the ground in a fetal pose, all while coughing and my whole body just feels like some one beat the living snoot out of it. I hurt for days afterwards.
I am not allegric to anything except posion oak. Thats it. So what could cause this, or any ideas on how to fix this, as it stands I have to be around people who do, i really hate to be "that guy" so is there anything i can do to stop it?

I think you need to see a real doctor, one with a more appropriate specialty.
Allergist, Pulmonologist ~ Psychiatrist.

That makes even less sense, considering I was and still am a big proponent for it. I find it dubious that I could psyc myself to that sever chest pain and be in pain for days after. When it first started it was a buddy who was smoking on the other side of the truck I didn't know he was vaping till after the attack. I even tried to see if ot was differnt units or chemicals, with the same result. Some are not as bad as others.

Coughing, severe chest pains that last for days, pain that literally knocks you to the ground...
Again, go see an actual doctor, no doctor is going to say ' good luck ' with the symptoms you've described,,, unless he is convinced it is all in your head.

I am just fine, with all of that, I dont know what is in the vaping stuff.

Pg, Vg, nicotine, flavorings, sweeteners & occasionally small amount of DW.
There are no other "chemicals" in normal / typical e liquids.

I have a fairly severe sensitivity to VG, ranges from tight heavy chest to difficult to take a breath depending on how much is inhaled, no pain involved.
I use 50/50 with zero problems, higher than 50% Vg just a few vapes per day, inside a non ventilated room with cloud blowers does effect me, I don't vape liquids with more than 50% Vg or hang out in non ventilated rooms with cloud blowers.

 

[DaveP]

Well, There's Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), Nicotine, and various food and drink flavors in ecig vapor. Some have tobacco like ingredients. PG and VG are very common in cosmetics, foods we commonly eat, and it's also in soft drinks as an anti-foaming agent. It's hard to live without coming in contact with all of the above.

Since you experience this immediately from being around vapor it's more likely an inhalation issue rather than a skin contact issue. In any case, an Allergist would be my first stop. Tell him or her what happened and they'll do a skin ..... test for common allergens. Letting him know that it's ecigs will prompt him to look into flavors and other components and include them in the skin test. They put little black dots on your arm in a skin test and do a slight scratch with a plastic pick from each of the containers in a tray. Each container has a common allergen in liquid form. The order of application corresponds to the liquids in the tray. They wait about 15 minutes and come back and look for a red bump or irritation response. No red bumps and you are free from common allergies.

Find out what juice your friend is vaping. Google the juice name and manufacturer and ask for a list of components in the recipe. That could be valuable in your treatment. They won't give you the recipe, but they might give you an ingredients list. Maybe he can give you a sample in a bottle for the doctor to include in the skin test.

 

[Glitch_]

Sorry but I gave up when your doctor did. No way any doctor would reply good luck and dismiss you after the symptoms you describe.

As an EMT I would transport you to the ED if I rolled up on you in the condition you described.

I’m not saying people can’t have severe allergic reactions, I’m saying if you described the condition to your doctor the way you did here he would order a battery of tests. Respiratory conditions are nothing to dismiss.

Come 9 posts, all right here, either a troll or someone wanting ECF to validate the effects of secondhand vape for some gain. Color me cynical.

Would a forum be your first choice for a second medical opinion on something so severe it throws you to the ground????

My doctor said he didn't know much about vaping. What do I say to that? The best advise he could possibly have given me would have been to try to stay away from vaping, but that was kind of obvious. I got on this forum because I figured someone could tell me if they had heard of anything similar , what chemicals might cause it or if there was an actual way to get over it? I am not trolling, like I said I am actually for people vaping.

 

[Glitch_]

Well, There's Propylene Glycol (PG), Vegetable Glycerin (VG), Nicotine, and various food and drink flavors in ecig vapor. Some have tobacco like ingredients. PG and VG are very common in cosmetics, foods we commonly eat, and it's also in soft drinks as an anti-foaming agent. It's hard to live without coming in contact with all of the above.

Since you experience this immediately from being around vapor it's more likely an inhalation issue rather than a skin contact issue. In any case, an Allergist would be my first stop. Tell him or her what happened and they'll do a skin ..... test for common allergens. Letting him know that it's ecigs will prompt him to look into flavors and other components and include them in the skin test. They put little black dots on your arm in a skin test and do a slight scratch with a plastic pick from each of the containers in a tray. Each container has a common allergen in liquid form. The order of application corresponds to the liquids in the tray. They wait about 15 minutes and come back and look for a red bump or irritation response. No red bumps and you are free from common allergies.

Find out what juice your friend is vaping. Google the juice name and manufacturer and ask for a list of components in the recipe. That could be valuable in your treatment. They won't give you the recipe, but they might give you an ingredients list. Maybe he can give you a sample in a bottle for the doctor to include in the skin test.

Great idea, I am certain I can get a list of the different ones I have been around and maybe even rank them by level of reaction. That may make it easier to figure out as well thank you.

 

[Glitch_]

Sounds like a great doctor!!
You make an appointment to see him and explain to him, "I start coughing, and the pain literally knocks me to the ground in a fetal pose, all while coughing and my whole body just feels like some one beat the living snoot out of it. I hurt for days afterwards."

and he say's "good luck with that"


Money well spent!


Sorry to all, Im out, Im a bad person, I cant take this seriously at all.

Didn't say it was a great doctor, but if he says he does not now anything about e cigs what am I suppose to say?!? I figured I could get some direction on here. Someone might have heard of sometging similar. If so what did they do....

 

[Glitch_]

you might be having a severe reaction to pg. It's rare but not unheard off.

That being said I've never heard of anyone having a reaction to second hand pg.

It is worth getting tested for.

 

[stols001]

I too would suggest seeing a pulmonologist and an allergist.

If neither of them can help you, a psychiatrist at that point might be helpful. If you are not able to find a valid medical explanation, which can take some time and may cost you some money, then what is left is a psychosomatic reaction.

What leads me to the latter is that you said you were around vapers "outside" unless they are blowing the vapor directly at you, (which you can certainly ask them politely not to do) or alternately, you could ask your employer to station you where you are not NEAR vapers, honestly, if you are doing some sort of outdoors work, like you work on trimming one bush and the vaper(s) the other, well, I am here to tell you that if you have an allergy (and I'm not saying you DON'T) the amount of possible inhalation of the offending substance would HAVE to be on the order of parts per million.

This is not necessarily unheard of, some kids are so allergic to peanuts that ALL of the offending peanuts must be removed from the school, and it's a real effect the kid can go into anaphylactic shock and die. Your extreme reaction to vape does NOT lead me to believe that "experimenting on yourself" would be at ALL wise.

I would go see your PCP, and explain to him again that you are having a severe reaction and get your REFERRALS. In the meantime, if he is not a jerk, he could certainly write your employer a note that you are currently experiencing an as yet unknown BUT SEVERE reaction to vape, and that you cannot be around vaping period. This would in essence be a "disability" and thanks to the ADA your job should be protected which either means getting the vapers to vape elsewhere, and when you are not around, so your health is not being harmed (if it's a health thing). Then go see the allergist and pulmonologist and get it figured out.

If and when ALL medical causes are ruled out (and they may not be, you may find you are severely allergic to a component in the vape) but if no medical cause is found, then you'd need to figure out how to deal with a psychosomatic reaction (which can be equally debilitating) etc.

I am more or less inclined to believe you, you sound like a reasonable enough person and I can't see too much motivation to LIE about this stuff.

If you are in fact making it up, (which again, I somewhat doubt) well, you'd actually be in better shape medically, although it doesn't speak well of your ethics, and I assume you would get what is owed to you, at some point. But right now I believe you actually and I hope you can get it sorted out. Etc.

Anna

 

[Glitch_]

Second hand vapor knocks you to the ground and you feel beat up for days but you apparently didn't have any reaction to first hand smoke from cigarettes? That's kind of hard to believe. I don't think your Doctor took you seriously either.

My wife, and three good friends can all a test to it

 

[tailland]

If that's real, it's too hefty to be left and forgotten. Go see a special doctor, because that reaction is off the hooks.

 

[Racehorse]

A good place to put this info:

I was put on an antibiotic after colon surgery and if I were not someone who understood ingredients well, I would have been VERY ILL had I vaped anything with PG in it.

Do not ever vape anything w/PG if you are taking metronidazole (Flagyl), tinidazole (Tindamax), or sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim (Bactrim). Severe reactions are not uncommon!

As for allergies to PG......very common, according to my dermatologist. It is in many many products though, personal care products, so chances are that vaping would not have been your first or only exposure to PG.......it's in everyhting, it seems, toothpaste, hair products, skin products, etc.

 

[Glitch_]

I too would suggest seeing a pulmonologist and an allergist.

If neither of them can help you, a psychiatrist at that point might be helpful. If you are not able to find a valid medical explanation, which can take some time and may cost you some money, then what is left is a psychosomatic reaction.

What leads me to the latter is that you said you were around vapers "outside" unless they are blowing the vapor directly at you, (which you can certainly ask them politely not to do) or alternately, you could ask your employer to station you where you are not NEAR vapers, honestly, if you are doing some sort of outdoors work, like you work on trimming one bush and the vaper(s) the other, well, I am here to tell you that if you have an allergy (and I'm not saying you DON'T) the amount of possible inhalation of the offending substance would HAVE to be on the order of parts per million.

This is not necessarily unheard of, some kids are so allergic to peanuts that ALL of the offending peanuts must be removed from the school, and it's a real effect the kid can go into anaphylactic shock and die. Your extreme reaction to vape does NOT lead me to believe that "experimenting on yourself" would be at ALL wise.

I would go see your PCP, and explain to him again that you are having a severe reaction and get your REFERRALS. In the meantime, if he is not a jerk, he could certainly write your employer a note that you are currently experiencing an as yet unknown BUT SEVERE reaction to vape, and that you cannot be around vaping period. This would in essence be a "disability" and thanks to the ADA your job should be protected which either means getting the vapers to vape elsewhere, and when you are not around, so your health is not being harmed (if it's a health thing). Then go see the allergist and pulmonologist and get it figured out.

If and when ALL medical causes are ruled out (and they may not be, you may find you are severely allergic to a component in the vape) but if no medical cause is found, then you'd need to figure out how to deal with a psychosomatic reaction (which can be equally debilitating) etc.

I am more or less inclined to believe you, you sound like a reasonable enough person and I can't see too much motivation to LIE about this stuff.

If you are in fact making it up, (which again, I somewhat doubt) well, you'd actually be in better shape medically, although it doesn't speak well of your ethics, and I assume you would get what is owed to you, at some point. But right now I believe you actually and I hope you can get it sorted out. Etc.

Anna

After getting feedback from this post, I believe I will get a list of the ones I have been around, and go see an allergist. I am not against vaping, and it wpuld make more sense for me to lie about being fine when I am not. Why would I choose to have this happen when I am alone pumping gas, or trying to watch my son soccer game?

 

[Glitch_]

A good place to put this info:

I was put on an antibiotic after colon surgery and if I were not someone who understood ingredients well, I would have been VERY ILL had I vaped anything with PG in it.

Do not ever vape anything w/PG if you are taking metronidazole (Flagyl), tinidazole (Tindamax), or sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim (Bactrim). Severe reactions are not uncommon!

As for allergies to PG......very common, according to my dermatologist. It is in many many products though, personal care products, so chances are that vaping would not have been your first or only exposure to PG.......it's in everyhting, it seems, toothpaste, hair products, skin products, etc.

While I do not take those things, I do take probiotics, and perhaps it is reacting?

 

[Racehorse]

Most likely a mental reaction.

There just isn't anything in e liquids that can cause that severe or type of reaction.

Disagree. Strongly.

The list of things that people can be allergic to is quite extensive. Even the mint in toothpaste can cause people to have lifelong undiagnosed problems like migraines until they figure it out with the help of a good allergist.

Just because some things are "common" and ubiquitous bears no relationship to their ability to sensitize and cause a histological response in a body.