Ban of online sales? Fact or FUD???

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Darryl Licht

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OK, so here's the story...

Went to the local vape shop where I purchase most of my gear, and I had a new piece of gear with me I had purchased online. Owner says to me; "That's new, where'd you get that?". I responded "online, cuz you didn't have them." He then stated, "You wont be able to buy anything online next year because of the new law". "Really? Wow, I haven't heard anything about that" I responded.

Now I live in the Peoples Republik of Kaliforniastan, where our rights are trampled all the time, so this wouldn't surprise me that much. Politicians are clearly not the brightest lightbulbs in the pack and are doing things not in our best interest, but for votes and press. After searching CASAA for terms like "online ban", "sales ban", etc I find nothing. Was this just BS FUD spread by a small business owner who's getting hurt by online sales, or???

If you have any concrete info on this, please post links. I want proof, as I am sure anyone reading this would!

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I think the fear is the Fed will shut down interstate commerce on nic the same way they did analogs. I'm not sure if it will cover devices, but juice is a possibility if the FDA regulates it as such. After all, we need to think about the children, not the orphans that analogs would cause....
Plus banning interstate commerce ensures the fed and state are able to tax the crap out of it and get paid.
As the old saying goes, follow the money....
 

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Unfortunately many B&M owners/employees are uninformed, or misinformed at best. There are no current or pending laws to ban online sales in CA, WA has one making it's way through their state government right now, not sure if any others do. That's not to say it couldn't happen though. That's why it's important to stay informed, and participate.
 

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Unfortunately many B&M owners/employees are uninformed, or misinformed at best. There are no current or pending laws to ban online sales in CA, WA has one making it's way through their state government right now, not sure if any others do. That's not to say it couldn't happen though. That's why it's important to stay informed, and participate.

Gun shops are the same thing; filled with misinformation! LOL!

Is the proposed WA law also aimed at exports? If so, Mt. Baker is in trouble!
 

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I've had a lot of B&M owners tell me that. Its bull. They rather you come in and pay their crazy prices than buy online, cuz they know ya can get it cheaper online. People who are internet savvy, have time to do research and comparison shopping online, don't make good customers for these shops. Not saying the shop owners are evil, just I have heard alot of rumors from these folks, most don't even know more than I do about the hardware they are selling. When I tried to tell a youngster in one shop, that ecigs were developed mostly in China, he insisted otherwise, that they were invented in Europe.When I asked what evidence he had of this,he said, he knew this because the owner of the shop told him so. And he said "I don't care really, since its not making me any money!". This is their attitude. This is their level of knowledge in many new shops. Not all, but a good many. As a DIY'er the only thing I might be concerned about is nicotine solution. But thats it.
 

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not in all states. here in Minnesota
there legal if you pay the state tax
on them which pretty much
eliminates any incentive to do so.
they have prosecuted people here
for not paying the tax.
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Respectfully, the post I quoted discussed the fear of the Feds banning online sales "like they did with analogs". I simply pointed out that the Feds have done no such thing.

Yes, there is an enforcement of ID and sales tax. That is not a ban of online sales.
 

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OK, so here's the story...

Went to the local vape shop where I purchase most of my gear, and I had a new piece of gear with me I had purchased online. Owner says to me; "That's new, where'd you get that?". I responded "online, cuz you didn't have them." He then stated, "You wont be able to buy anything online next year because of the new law". "Really? Wow, I haven't heard anything about that" I responded.


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First... I think there is Confusion over whether the Owner was referring to a California or a Federal Law.

I'm not sure I would call what the Owner said as FUD. In that I believe that the FEDS will do Everything in their power to Eliminate Internet sales of Non FDA Approved Hardware that is Marketed as an "e-Cigarette".

Now items that are Not Marketed as a "e-Cigarette" or not advertised as to be used with a "Tobacco Product", the FDA is going to have a Very Difficult time Restricting those sales.

Where the Real Problem with be in in e-Liquids that contain Nicotine. And I don't think that by this time Next Year there will be any e-Liquids that contain Nicotine sold via the Internet. I think they will All be done Face-2-Face.
 

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There was a big fight last year against an e-cig bill that would have banned online sales into CA. It was defeated, was resurrected again in the summer, and defeated again.

There are a few threads regarding this if you search for AB1500, but these are the main two:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-shipment-e-cigarettes-anyone-california.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-shipping-bill-ab1500-assigned-committee.html

Thanks for those links... I am surprised I didn't find anything on CASAA using the search terms I did in post #1.

Respectfully, the post I quoted discussed the fear of the Feds banning online sales "like they did with analogs". I simply pointed out that the Feds have done no such thing.

Yes, there is an enforcement of ID and sales tax. That is not a ban of online sales.

Yeah I kinda thought so...

First... I think there is Confusion over whether the Owner was referring to a California or a Federal Law.

I'm not sure I would call what the Owner said as FUD. In that I believe that the FEDS will do Everything in their power to Eliminate Internet sales of Non FDA Approved Hardware that is Marketed as an "e-Cigarette".

Now items that are Not Marketed as a "e-Cigarette" or not advertised as to be used with a "Tobacco Product", the FDA is going to have a Very Difficult time Restricting those sales.

Where the Real Problem with be in in e-Liquids that contain Nicotine. And I don't think that by this time Next Year there will be any e-Liquids that contain Nicotine sold via the Internet. I think they will All be done Face-2-Face.


I agree, it was difficult to find any info without knowing if this was state or fed or fud.

If I owned a shop, I would make sure that anything said like that was factual, lies or untrue statement can ruin a reputation quickly. I'm going to ask them what law publicly via their social networking sites, and see how they react publicly. If they say the wrong thing there, it can hurt them!
 

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I agree, it was difficult to find any info without knowing if this was state or fed or fud.

If I owned a shop, I would make sure that anything said like that was factual, lies or untrue statement can ruin a reputation quickly. I'm going to ask them what law publicly via their social networking sites, and see how they react publicly. If they say the wrong thing there, it can hurt them!

In a Perfect World, this would be True. But we don't live in that World.

I know 2 Shop owners who tell their Employees/Customers that Nothing is going to Happen e-Liquid-wise. And even if it was, it would be Years from now. So there is Nothing to Worry about.

Why are they Saying this? Are they Uninformed or Out of Touch with what is going on? No. No they are Not. Both are Very Well Informed.

They are Not telling their Customer about the FDA Deeming or something like CAL SB-140 because they Don't want their Customer to start thinking that Buying Nicotine Base is a Good Idea. And then start doing DIY.

Both of these Owners do OK selling Hardware. But there is No Way they could be in a B&M on Hardware Profit Alone. The Profit on e-Liquid is what makes it Do-able.

So they will do Nothing that could Move people into DIY.
 

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Thanks for those links... I am surprised I didn't find anything on CASAA using the search terms I did in post #1.



Yeah I kinda thought so...




I agree, it was difficult to find any info without knowing if this was state or fed or fud.

If I owned a shop, I would make sure that anything said like that was factual, lies or untrue statement can ruin a reputation quickly. I'm going to ask them what law publicly via their social networking sites, and see how they react publicly. If they say the wrong thing there, it can hurt them!

Probably not on the CASAA site as they're not currently active, up for a vote. The state laws banning online sales are silly, they're unenforceable for businesses outside of the state, so they really only effect vendors within the state, driving business out of state.

So yes, if the WA bill goes through, MBV will be in trouble.
 

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There was a big fight last year against an e-cig bill that would have banned online sales into CA. It was defeated, was resurrected again in the summer, and defeated again.

There are a few threads regarding this if you search for AB1500, but these are the main two:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-shipment-e-cigarettes-anyone-california.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-shipping-bill-ab1500-assigned-committee.html

Funny how the "commerce clause" is used for about anything but this.
 
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