Ban of online sales? Fact or FUD???

[AndriaD]

In a Perfect World, this would be True. But we don't live in that World.

I know 2 shop owners who tell their Employees/Customers that Nothing is going to Happen e-liquid-wise. And even if it was, it would be Years from now. So there is Nothing to Worry about.

Why are they Saying this? Are they Uninformed or Out of Touch with what is going on? No. No they are Not. Both are Very Well Informed.

They are Not telling their Customer about the FDA Deeming or something like CAL SB-140 because they Don't want their Customer to start thinking that Buying Nicotine Base is a Good Idea. And then start doing DIY.

Both of these Owners do OK selling Hardware. But there is No Way they could be in a B&M on Hardware Profit Alone. The Profit on e-liquid is what makes it Do-able.

So they will do Nothing that could Move people into DIY.

Sure makes me glad I learned to read, use google, and think for myself a long time ago.

Andria

 

[aikanae1]

I've run into b&m's that think restrictions of online sales are good. They are under the misperception that will increase their sales which is greedy, self-centered and short term logic. The reality is that people would probably buy less when they realize they can't get what they want locally. Anything to increase vaping, online or not, is also going to increase their customer base and help protect their business in the long run. The more people vaping, the harder it will be to pass regulations, state or local.

 

[zoiDman]

I've run into b&m's that think restrictions of online sales are good. They are under the misperception that will increase their sales which is greedy, self-centered and short term logic. The reality is that people would probably buy less when they realize they can't get what they want locally. Anything to increase vaping, online or not, is also going to increase their customer base and help protect their business in the long run. The more people vaping, the harder it will be to pass regulations, state or local.

I saw that from the B&M owners that I know. That is, I saw it Until the Purposed Deeming Regs came out.

The Thought that Face-2-Face sales only would Greatly Increase B&M sales Quickly Evaporated when they Realized that they Wouldn't have much to Sell that would be FDA Approved. And that Compliance with ALL City. County, State and Federal Requirements to Sell a "Tobacco Product" was not exactly a Walk in the Park.

 

[aikanae1]

I saw that from the B&M owners that I know. That is, I saw it Until the Purposed Deeming Regs came out.

The Thought that Face-2-Face sales only would Greatly Increase B&M sales Quickly Evaporated when they Realized that they Wouldn't have much to Sell that would be FDA Approved. And that Compliance with ALL City. County, State and Federal Requirements to Sell a "Tobacco Product" was not exactly a Walk in the Park.

Without examining the details of the actual regulations and depending on media reports / interviews misleads many into thinking the industry will survive with adjustments - and it will be possible for them to adjust. I think it's outside of normal perception to consider an industry demands total domination without any competition like the regulations and state bans propose. It's hard to take that in. At first, it sounds like fear mongering, paranoia and tin foil hat stuff that it's possible to wipe out an entire industry, so I can understand where they are coming from.

I've heard myself try and explain it and it does sound incrediable, more like a conspiracy theory except it's real. Written in black and white. Just not in the media, in the fine print and it's not easy to believe at first. It takes more than one document to put regulations in context.

One thing I wish every owner or policy maker would do is revisit some of the trial documents from the 90's. The tobacco companies are ruthless and without mercy. I hear so many of the same games they played then are being rehashed today. And the tobacco companies are minor compared to the drug companies. If someone isn't a vaper and connected to the community somehow, it would be hard to know which items support vaping and which don't. Marketing spin is what corporations do really, really well and in this case, a lot of it is falling under "public health" that taxpayers are paying for and avoiding the label of advertising.

Vaping, as we know it, is at a disadvantage. The fact that some embraced involvement of tobacco companies in the beginning has cast a shadow that's really hard to shake off now. I think policy makers have severly under estimated the backlash from vapers - and clearly, they've had to go to plan b, c and d as a result. We've definatley jammed things up for them.

Every bill that dies is a win and there's been a lot more wins than losses. It's just a long haul.

 

[caramel]

Problem is - wins will be revisited year after year until they eventually become losses. And losses are definitive.

 

[Darryl Licht]

It's similar to gun control legislation...

Politicians with little to zero knowledge of either, attempting to pass laws they think will get them votes!

I was told I cannot vape on the campus I work at, because no tobacco allowed on campus! I retorted: "This isn't a tobacco product, there is NO tobacco in this!"

Campus PD was called when I refused and continued to vape... ignorance at a college campus! When they showed they continued with the same dumb remarks, and threatened to give me a violation if I continue to use tobacco on campus! Geesh! I cant cure stupid, so I went to my car and put my vape away!

 

[zoiDman]

It's similar to gun control legislation...

Politicians with little to zero knowledge of either, attempting to pass laws they think will get them votes!

I was told I cannot vape on the campus I work at, because no tobacco allowed on campus! I retorted: "This isn't a tobacco product, there is NO tobacco in this!"

Campus PD was called when I refused and continued to vape... ignorance at a college campus! When they showed they continued with the same dumb remarks, and threatened to give me a violation if I continue to use tobacco on campus! Geesh! I cant cure stupid, so I went to my car and put my vape away!

Unfortunately, I think we are going to see More and More of what happened to you once e-Liquids that contain Nicotine are "Deemed" to be a Tobacco Product by the FDA.

Not say'n that you should Lie. But if had been Me, I probably would have said that I was using 0mg.

BTW - Are you Faculty or Staff at your Campus?

 

[Darryl Licht]

Unfortunately, I think we are going to see More and More of what happened to you once e-Liquids that contain Nicotine are "Deemed" to be a Tobacco Product by the FDA.

Not say'n that you should Lie. But if had been Me, I probably would have said that I was using 0mg.

BTW - Are you Faculty or Staff at your Campus?

Faculty, but campus PD didn't take down my name, and the officer was new.

I told them it was 0mg! LOL!

 

[zoiDman]

Faculty, but campus PD didn't take down my name, and the officer was new.

I told them it was 0mg! LOL!

Just be Careful.

Because I have found that Faulty Members tend to be Cut More Slack. But when they do get Called Out on something, then they are Held to some Higher Standard.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Just be Careful.

Because I have found that Faulty Members tend to be Cut More Slack. But when they do get Called Out on something, then they are Held to some Higher Standard.

I agree 100%! But the burden of proof is on them. It was an older faculty member who complained to me when I was outside vaping. I explained to her it wasn't tobacco, nor did it contain any tobacco. She insisted vaping was tobacco. I went on to tell her I haven't had any tobacco in 2.5 months thanks to vaping and again reiterated that there was zero tobacco in it. She threatened me that she'd call campus PD, I responded "Do what you feel you have to".

5 minutes later here come the PD! I calmly explained to the female officer that I was breaking no law and it was within my rights to vape, as it is not a tobacco product. She said "it has nicotine therefore it was tobacco", I said "nope, its nicotine free, I am not breaking any law".

Once she threatened to write me up, I put the mod in my car and went back inside.

I guess she can run my plates or school parking decal to determine who I am, if she really wants to, but I'm not going to fret over it.

It's the principal of the matter to me! Really chapped my hide!

Dumbazz interpretation of a law by a rookie, if you ask me!

 

[Darryl Licht]

Infer whatever the H-E double hockey sticks you wish, but I implied nothing of the sort.

Her sex had nothing to do with her ignorance of the law, or of vaping. Why would it?

 

[DrMA]

This bill still alive
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-ecigs-tobacco-treat-vaping-like-smoking.html

Fight now, or forsake your god-given right to get cool gear online.