Ban on E-cigs?

[oceanmist]

Can someone explain to me why this is happening. I haven't kept up with it so I am in the dark.
It seems really stupid to me, why don't they leave people alone?

 

[progg]

Can someone explain to me why this is happening. I haven't kept up with it so I am in the dark.
It seems really stupid to me, why don't they leave people alone?

Here at the forum plenty of info here : Campaigning

My short rant -- Humans can't mind their own business.

 

[NCC]

It's all about the money. Big Government losing tax dollars, big pharmacy losing NRT dollars, big tobacco losing sales of cigarettes. And, of course, all those people who feel they need to control everything which is different from themselves.
The stupid thing IMO about the big three is that they aren't jumping in to make their money off this technology instead of fighting it. In my view, exactly like big oil not jumping in with both feet into alternative energy.

 

[keelalagirl55]

It's all about the money. Big Government losing tax dollars, big pharmacy losing NRT dollars, big tobacco losing sales of cigarettes. And, of course, all those people who feel they need to control everything which is different from themselves.

That bout sums it up! Very nice NCC

 

[Dirgon]

It's all about the money. Big Government losing tax dollars, big pharmacy losing NRT dollars, big tobacco losing sales of cigarettes. And, of course, all those people who feel they need to control everything which is different from themselves.
The stupid thing IMO about the big three is that they aren't jumping in to make their money off this technology instead of fighting it. In my view, exactly like big oil not jumping in with both feet into alternative energy.

QFT (Quoted for truth)

I was talking to my fiancée about it yesterday. They've been on the market for quite a bit of time now, and there's been relatively few innovations by the companies making these, that companies like Philip-Morris and the like could easily jump in with some consumer research and using some of those millions selling cancer into R&D and come out with a fantastic new product that would revolutionize vaping and BAM, there's a bunch of lost income from smokers switching to vaping made up for.

It's not like most of these companies ONLY make cigarettes. A lot of them have been making snus, as well.

As far as taxing e-cigs like cigarettes, nothnx. The money saving standpoint is a big appeal to a lot of people, especially in a crap economy where money is tight.

 

[7SEALS]

QFT (Quoted for truth)

I was talking to my fiancée about it yesterday. They've been on the market for quite a bit of time now, and there's been relatively few innovations by the companies making these, that companies like Philip-Morris and the like could easily jump in with some consumer research and using some of those millions selling cancer into R&D and come out with a fantastic new product that would revolutionize vaping and BAM, there's a bunch of lost income from smokers switching to vaping made up for.

It's not like most of these companies ONLY make cigarettes. A lot of them have been making snus, as well.

As far as taxing e-cigs like cigarettes, nothnx. The money saving standpoint is a big appeal to a lot of people, especially in a crap economy where money is tight.

Yea I would rather not have the government/FDA/big tobacco companies jump on board because its going to get taxed through the roof. Aside for saving my health, I also switched to vaping to save me money. I couldn't afford over $6 a day for cigarettes anymore. I like the way it is now, as long as it doesn't get banned or become illegal.

 

[GMoney]

As a result of the State lawsuit settlements, the Big tobacco companies are in precarious position as far as their liability for a "new" product like "e-cigs". However, if the e-cigs are ever proven "safe and effective", or somehow become "socially acceptable" or become a big enough market(to the detriment of their tobacco products), I have no doubt they will look to jump in to the e-cig market.

 

[bruiser]

I recall that sometime in the seventies, one of the cig companies did to try to market something like an e-cig. It was called the Premier, and it used a battery and a capsule of liquid. It didn't catch on as we all know. Ahead of it's time, I guess.

I suspect one of the cig companies is probably working on a better e-cig right now.

 

[meanmoe]

I'm a newly registered member, but I've been vaping and following the news for about a year now off an on.

I have many friends who think that vaping is not smart because ecigs and specifically juice are not regulated by a gov't agency of some sort. It seems that some people think that regulation is the only way to prevent people from putting poisons into consumer goods. The argument of course looses credibility when you start discussing the 30+ chemicals directly linked to cancer in regulated nasty cigarettes. So it appears to me to be motivated by money, e.g. taxes and lobbies, but carried by consumer concern by those (non-vapers) that think gov't is capable of anything worthwhile. Does that sound about right?

Bottom line is that smoking is engineered specifically to be addictive and it causes cancer and other nasty things. I've stopped smoking with e-cigs where nothing else has worked before. I don't think big tobacco is losing much money.

Also I think heard somewhere that Phillip Morris was meeting with Ruyan. Anyone know if that's true?

 

[wv2win]

It is NOT Big Tobacco that cares one way or another about PV's. It is the Big Pharm industry that is full force against vaping. They fund all the "anti" groups that are vocally against vaping. They have big influence within the FDA. When Senator Lautenberg from NJ called for a ban back in"09, who do you think is his biggest campain contributor - Big Pharm.

 

[keelalagirl55]

BT was lobbying in Iowa....they just arent making as big a stink as BP and the FDA, but they don't want them out there.

I have many friends who think that vaping is not smart because ecigs and specifically juice are not regulated by a gov't agency of some sort. It seems that some people think that regulation is the only way to prevent people from putting poisons into consumer goods.

You don't even have to argue the chem in cigs.....just look at all the medications FDA approved put out by BP that have been pulled off the market b/c they were deadly.....The Meat industry....how many serious cases of ecoli have occurred over the past few years....again FDA regulated....they don't really care...they just want their money and power....there is your argument to your friends...I feel they are safer for not being FDA regulated....

 

[NCC]

I recall that sometime in the seventies, one of the cig companies did to try to market something like an e-cig. It was called the Premier, and it used a battery and a capsule of liquid. It didn't catch on as we all know. Ahead of it's time, I guess.

So, someone else remembers that besides me! I made a comment on it on this forum ... probably close to a year ago. But, nobody apparently knew what I was talking about. I remember reading an article about it which included a large schematic diagram of the device. Likely was Popular Science, that was one of my main reads back then.

 

[meanmoe]

I've heard of them. It was the late 80's not the 70s. There was even a movie made about it I think. The company was R.J. Reynolds and they flopped miserably because they tasted awful.

 

[meanmoe]

The movie was: "Barbarians at the Gate" with James Garner

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Premier_Cigarette
I liked this: "The flavoring was derived from tobacco, nicotine, the paper roll and sprayed dried extract."

 

[oceanmist]

So why is the Big Pharm industry against it? What are they losing?

 

[throatkick]

I think the most important question is why do people put up with the subversion of the truth? Once you move away from the truth, it leaves enough room for the various organizations, representatives, lobbyists to move in. Have they EVER done anything right? The first thing they do is make sure they are well-paid for maintaining their positions. Then, before you know it all info is channeled through them, the truth becomes distorted to maintain the controversy in order to feed the machine.

It is the approach that's wrong... Think about it. If the FDA spent its time testing e-cigs instead of wasting its time lying about results, going to court time and time again and seizing shipments maybe we would all be closer to the truth.

It's all bull......

 

[Sassyonemeis]

BP is against it because they are losing mega monies from sales of patches, gums, inhalers, and worst of all Chantix. All of these methods FAIL in the majority of people who use them to try to quit smoking. So the scenario goes like this...

smoke... quit using gum/patch/inhaler/chantix... smoke... quit using gum/patch/inhaler/chantix... smoke... etc etc... they make a lot of money on these failures and reusers.... A LOT. E-cigs are most certainly a threat to their profit margin as well at BT's.

I dont remember anything about that Premier smokeless contraption. That article doesnt really explain what it really does other than it does seem to still combust but what was inhaled was somehow cleaned. Regardless, I'm glad it failed because I have an inherent distrust of BT and will forever more.

 

[vapi]

I don't know if this has anything to do with e-cigs but my husband just read over the weekend that USA is expected to be the first smoke free nation in the next 15-20 years. IDK where he read that at but I'll ask him later so I can post a link. I can see that happening if all smokers converted to e-cigs, maybe they are trying to prevent USA from becoming smoke free by eliminating PV's. I think it would be great if USA was totally smoke free, but we still have PV's.

 

[Twisty]

So, someone else remembers that besides me! I made a comment on it on this forum ... probably close to a year ago. But, nobody apparently knew what I was talking about. I remember reading an article about it which included a large schematic diagram of the device. Likely was Popular Science, that was one of my main reads back then.

I used those for about a month. They did taste like ---- at first but you got use to it after awhile. They were expensive, about twice the cost of regular cigs, if memory serves. FDA ruled (or was about to) it a drug delivery device so it was pulled from the market.

 

[oceanmist]

E-Cigs are not for everyone so I don't know whay they would be so worried. Some people will still use the gum and the other items no matter what we say, so why the big deal?