batteries for the rx200

[beckdg]

So you haven't read Mooch's and Baditudes blogs yet?

And you're eventually going to just do what you want?

And those potentially dangerous batteries you bought aren't drained and in the landfill yet?

So why bother coming to a site where folks are heavily vested in gaining this knowledge to vape safe if you're going to refuse to gain anything and PUT ALL YOUR TRUST IN SOMEONE WHO JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY?!?!?!?!?



Tapatyped

 

[gofishtx]

no i dont know any vapers in my area. you guys have to understand when i say i am in a country where this stuff is not liked because the merchants that bring the ecigs in bring in the old style with the most horrible Chinese eliquid available in batches to make money. the best ones i saw at the moment are the subox minis. and even those are clones.
when JoeA tries this old-style ecig he immediately throws it cause its just nasty. cause the eliquid is overcharged and is (1) high in nicotine (2) chinese -- no flavour (3) high in pg.

i am one of the few maybe 100 in the whole country who actually seek out and know this stuff.

now, back to the battery issue.
today i went back to the shop that sold me the samsung batteries here in baghdad hoping maybe i can find another brand of battery. i talked to the guy i bought the samsungs from who apparently is an educated electrician ... he was laughing/angry at me saying a battery 18650 canT do 20A. he says thats impossible.
to be honest, i believe him. ... i am not sure how the marketing behind the 20A and 40A goes but its definitely misleading in the sense that you can generate 20Amps for the rx200 at any given second. even pulsing ... now. unless you can chain them. even then you cant get 20amps.
he kept talking about the "mush" in the battery and how its only able to generate so much power and never reach a max of 3-5amps.

Now. I saw at the shop where i bought the rx200 the guy tried those unlabeled 18650s in the rx200 they worked fine. he got no heat from the battery and there was no visible sign at all of any distress on the batt.
and according to the guy they are OK. so i am not taking a risk but thats what i saw/witnessed.

You actually want 20 amp that will peak at 35 amp. See if the shop guy has a charger like the nite core d4 that will readout the voltage and amps of the battery. My thought is if he sells the device he has to also sell the batteries that will operate the device. The question is whether or not it is the right battery. If you haven't heard of any of his customers getting their face blown off or their homes burnt down, then they may be okay. Always a 1st time though

 

[sparkky1]

no i dont know any vapers in my area. you guys have to understand when i say i am in a country where this stuff is not liked because the merchants that bring the ecigs in bring in the old style with the most horrible Chinese eliquid available in batches to make money. the best ones i saw at the moment are the subox minis. and even those are clones.
when JoeA tries this old-style ecig he immediately throws it cause its just nasty. cause the eliquid is overcharged and is (1) high in nicotine (2) chinese -- no flavour (3) high in pg.

i am one of the few maybe 100 in the whole country who actually seek out and know this stuff.

now, back to the battery issue.
today i went back to the shop that sold me the samsung batteries here in baghdad hoping maybe i can find another brand of battery. i talked to the guy i bought the samsungs from who apparently is an educated electrician ... he was laughing/angry at me saying a battery 18650 canT do 20A. he says thats impossible.
to be honest, i believe him. ... i am not sure how the marketing behind the 20A and 40A goes but its definitely misleading in the sense that you can generate 20Amps for the rx200 at any given second. even pulsing ... now. unless you can chain them. even then you cant get 20amps.
he kept talking about the "mush" in the battery and how its only able to generate so much power and never reach a max of 3-5amps.

Now. I saw at the shop where i bought the rx200 the guy tried those unlabeled 18650s in the rx200 they worked fine. he got no heat from the battery and there was no visible sign at all of any distress on the batt.
and according to the guy they are OK. so i am not taking a risk but thats what i saw/witnessed.

Maybe you just need to educate yourself about rechargeable IMR/ INR battery's,
huge difference in AC electricians, unless familiar with solar installs and car audio techs.Ask the samsung seller how many amps his car battery will put out and how that's possible, in case you don't know it's anywhere from 10 x's to 50 x's more than an hg2.
Also a big difference in high drain IMR hybrids, IMR, INR / hybrids, ICR and IFR chemistry composition and internal resistance, CDR as well as how they vent ( exothermic chemical reaction )
We have electrical engineers and battery specialist that have tested these battery's for the max current ( amp ) discharge and the LG tested List of Battery Tests | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[aalmosawi]

So you haven't read Mooch's and Baditudes blogs yet?

And you're eventually going to just do what you want?

And those potentially dangerous batteries you bought aren't drained and in the landfill yet?

So why bother coming to a site where folks are heavily vested in gaining this knowledge to vape safe if you're going to refuse to gain anything and PUT ALL YOUR TRUST IN SOMEONE WHO JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY?!?!?!?!?



Tapatyped

do you knwo what you're asking for from a battery?

i am going to give you a REAL life example.
here in iraq we do not have constant "national grid" as it is know. because from when the US blew up everything in 2003 there has been massive corruption and money hungry people stealing every penny ... not only that and the fact that people keep guying more electric hungry devices and still have a country with a syste from the 80s.
so the national grid power only supplies the country with xxxMega watts of power when we need 100 times more than that. i am not sure the numbers. more on this here>>>> Power generation a top priority in Iraq
so what are people to do then to get more power 24/7? well they rent a line from a guy who owns a 10KV generator thats down the street. there are 1000's of these in the country. literally! people buy them for $20,000 dollars or a bit more then rent lines out to people to make a living without relying on a job. anyways.
the way they sell the power is per Amps. so i goto the guy and i say i want 10Amps for my house. he says each amp is $20 dollars. thus i pay that amount per month to complement the power from the national grid so we have 24/7 electricity.
nobody really knows why we depended on the term "i need 10amps" for my house but it was and is what is going on.


SO... back to our battery.
please enlighten me. tell me this tiny little 18650 can deliver 20Amps of real power to my ecig continuously for 20/30 minutes before it gives out?

 

[Scy123]

LG HG2 20A 3000mAh 18650 Bench Retest Results...a great 20A battery!

"At 20A the maximum temperature reached 83°C. This is above the average for a cell operating at its CDR but just within the range of acceptable values. The capacity was 13% higher than a Samsung 25R at 20A."

 

[Tonkpils]

This guy REALLY wants to burn his house down apparently.

 

[aalmosawi]

This guy REALLY wants to burn his house down apparently.

No. read what i am about to say: I HAVE NOT USED THESE batteries AND WILL NOT! I am only using the LGs and the imrens in my ipv3li. my rx200 is in the drawer napping until i get name brand batteries.

i am just now really trying to figure out this "thing everyone believes" which is a battery can generate 20A. please read my thread two posts above this about how real Amperage in AC is used.
then sit here and tell me a DC battery can give me that much. it is not feasible.

 

[Scy123]

I just linked you to a post where a guy continuously discharged his LG HG2 at 20amps until empty and you still calling us liars?

 

[gofishtx]

Sorry but I feel everyone has answered you (the OP) I am not trying to be mean but you have bought batteries and keep buying batteries that may or may not work and still keep asking if they are the right ones. Most people are afraid that you are getting re wrapped under powered batteries, despite what it says on the label. Whether you use those batteries or not is up to you. I am not going to tell you to use them and then have them blow up in your face and it be because I told you to use them. Your decision not mine, and my batteries last a lot longer than 20 -30 minutes..............

 

[Tonkpils]

Basic math and an understanding of Ohms law can show you how one could easily drain well beyond 20a from a 18650. (not saying its safe but it can be done).

 

[aalmosawi]

LG HG2 20A 3000mAh 18650 Bench Retest Results...a great 20A battery!

"At 20A the maximum temperature reached 83°C. This is above the average for a cell operating at its CDR but just within the range of acceptable values. The capacity was 13% higher than a Samsung 25R at 20A."

gee golly. so i should just get a dc-to-ac converter and get 100 or so of the lg batts and stop paying the 10kv generator guy money and run my house at 20Amps. after all i only need it for like 1 to 2 hour time intervals to rotate with the national grid. splendid idea.

i am sure theres a part of the puzzle thats missing either i am not picking up on (duh!) or something else.

 

[sparkky1]

No. read what i am about to say: I HAVE NOT USED THESE batteries AND WILL NOT! I am only using the LGs and the imrens in my ipv3li. my rx200 is in the drawer napping until i get name brand batteries.

i am just now really trying to figure out this "thing everyone believes" which is a battery can generate 20A. please read my thread two posts above this about how real Amperage in AC is used.
then sit here and tell me a DC battery can give me that much. it is not feasible.

We are not talking about alternating current, we are talking about
chemical composition "stored energy" ( rechargeable battery ) if you do decide to educate yourself you will soon learn how and what a 10C discharge rating is, the max continuous discharge rating is for 4 -5 seconds, not infinite like AC.Ever owned a mech and had it auto fire for any length of time ?

 

[Simply Red]

No. read what i am about to say: I HAVE NOT USED THESE batteries AND WILL NOT! I am only using the LGs and the imrens in my ipv3li. my rx200 is in the drawer napping until i get name brand batteries.

i am just now really trying to figure out this "thing everyone believes" which is a battery can generate 20A. please read my thread two posts above this about how real Amperage in AC is used.
then sit here and tell me a DC battery can give me that much. it is not feasible.

Chances are, your build won't use the entire 20A unless you're build is down around .21 ohms. Go to this website...

Ohm's law

Lock your voltage (there's a button for that) at 4.2V. That's what your battery actually is, assuming it's a liget battery. Next, input the ohms of your coil/build. The results will show how many amps your pulling off your single battery. Here's an example...

A .5 ohm cool is only pulling 8.4 amps.

 

[Cacique]

gee golly. so i should just get a dc-to-ac converter and get 100 or so of the lg batts and stop paying the 10kv generator guy money and run my house at 20Amps. after all i only need it for like 1 to 2 hour time intervals to rotate with the national grid. splendid idea.

i am sure theres a part of the puzzle thats missing either i am not picking up on (duh!) or something else.

Since your country is so corrupt and everyone is trying to get money from everyone, then what is to say that any of these people didn't lie to you? The other obvious situation would be that they just don't know what they're talking about. It seems like you're more likely to trust someone in person, than someone on the internet, even if that person on the internet has been researching all of this for years.

If you are going to defend the re-wrapped and possibly crappy batteries, then you have to expect that we're going to react the way we are. Many of the vapers here have been burned by bad batteries, figuratively and sometimes literally, and that is why we continue to push the information we do.

 

[aalmosawi]

Since your country is so corrupt and everyone is trying to get money from everyone, then what is to say that any of these people didn't lie to you? The other obvious situation would be that they just don't know what they're talking about. It seems like you're more likely to trust someone in person, than someone on the internet, even if that person on the internet has been researching all of this for years.

If you are going to defend the re-wrapped and possibly crappy batteries, then you have to expect that we're going to react the way we are. Many of the vapers here have been burned by bad batteries, figuratively and sometimes literally, and that is why we continue to push the information we do.

in the subject of trust ive always trusted the members of these forums 100% and as i have said i have put the unit in the drawer and will await new batteries ... safety and friendly advise for me comes first.

the unit howerver is authentic .. i verified it with the code on the box. yes, it was bought by the store owner via fasttech, shipped to china then shipped to IQ.

 

[beckdg]

do you knwo what you're asking for from a battery?

Yes

Beyond what you can comprehend.

And it's VERY obvious you do not.

And do not understand the implications and risks of a bad purchase or misplaced trust.

Hence why I put aside my better judgment and tried to help.

Other than display a ludicrous amount of my own qualifications (which after 2 yrs on this forum, have yet to collectively, completely do), there's not much else I can do.

READ THE LITERATURE AND TESTING SUPPLIED TO YOU VIA OUR LINKS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

PLEASE.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Chances are, your build won't use the entire 20A unless you're build is down around .21 ohms. Go to this website...

Ohm's law

Lock your voltage (there's a button for that) at 4.2V. That's what your battery actually is, assuming it's a liget battery. Next, input the ohms of your coil/build. The results will show how many amps your pulling off your single battery. Here's an example...

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A .5 ohm cool is only pulling 8.4 amps.

WRONG

These are both Regulated mods.

YOU USE POWER (watts) DIVIDED BY MINIMUM BATTERY VOLTAGE

Ipv3 li v2 for example

6.2V minimum input voltage
200 watts maximum output after firmware upgrade...

Since the batteries are in series to get that voltage, they'll both see the entire current.

Which with 6.2V from the batteries and 200W output to the atty comes to a whopping...

32.25806 AMPS BEFORE EFFICIENCY LOSS (WHICH MAKES THIS NUMBER BIGGER BY 5% TO 20%)

DANGER!!!!!!

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

do you knwo what you're asking for from a battery?

i am going to give you a REAL life example.
here in iraq we do not have constant "national grid" as it is know. because from when the US blew up everything in 2003 there has been massive corruption and money hungry people stealing every penny ... not only that and the fact that people keep guying more electric hungry devices and still have a country with a syste from the 80s.
so the national grid power only supplies the country with xxxMega watts of power when we need 100 times more than that. i am not sure the numbers. more on this here>>>> Power generation a top priority in Iraq
so what are people to do then to get more power 24/7? well they rent a line from a guy who owns a 10KV generator thats down the street. there are 1000's of these in the country. literally! people buy them for $20,000 dollars or a bit more then rent lines out to people to make a living without relying on a job. anyways.
the way they sell the power is per Amps. so i goto the guy and i say i want 10Amps for my house. he says each amp is $20 dollars. thus i pay that amount per month to complement the power from the national grid so we have 24/7 electricity.
nobody really knows why we depended on the term "i need 10amps" for my house but it was and is what is going on.


SO... back to our battery.
please enlighten me. tell me this tiny little 18650 can deliver 20Amps of real power to my ecig continuously for 20/30 minutes before it gives out?

In the house I'm buying, I have a 100 amp breaker on a 220V AC circuit for the house mains.

That's 22,000 watts of alternating current power available to my house.

In your mod you can get 2 30 amp capable batteries (that you DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE yet)... and if your mod is the version I mentioned earlier, upgrade the firmware and pull 30 amps from you batteries to make 200 watts of direct current power.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE

Tapatyped

 

[sparkky1]

In the house I'm buying, I have a 100 amp breaker on a 220V AC circuit for the house mains.

That's 22,000 watts of alternating current power available to my house.

In your mod you can get 2 30 amp capable batteries (that you DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE yet)... and if your mod is the version I mentioned earlier, upgrade the firmware and pull 30 amps from you batteries to make 200 watts of direct current power.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE

Tapatyped

Selective advice taken = Negligence
Third world has been electrician selling "mush" filled battery's = Confusion
Guy selling 10A of AC power for $200 = Smart
Vaping under 40W = post #58 Good decision
Battery's sold and shipped installed in the device are not considered "dangerous goods"
UltraFire 501B Cree XM - L T6 5 - Mode 1000lm 18650 LED Flashlight

 

[beckdg]

Vaping under 40W = post #58 Good decision

Fingers crossed it stays that way.

Though not confident.

Tapatyped