I just got an order in from DX with SOME of the batteries I ordered last year (er month, lol-still witing on the charger). I've read that the batts are generally shipped half charged, but one of them (a 14500 protected) shows no charge at all. Was wondering if maybe it just dropped below the PCB cutoff, or if in fact people have had any problems getting dead batts. Since I don't have the charger yet (hopefully next year /sarcasm off) I can't try charging it to see. May just have to wait, but I hate the thought of trying to send batteries back and wait for replacements-who knows how long that might be 
