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Of course not, missed that you already mentioned that you already mentioned the tc100w in my desire to be a know-it-all :)

...and responded even though the post was for mongo74 due to my advanced narcissism :)

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LOL... I wasn't chiding you for naming an example as well.
I was wondering how Mongo missed it in my posts.

Whoops, my mistake. lol :D

Ninja edit: the know-it-all beat me to it. lololol I JEST!

I'm gonna go with... "my writing is too stilted and annoying to read". :oops: :D
 

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The istick tc100w is a parallel mod, but other than that I can't really think of a parallel regulated mod.

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The Therion 75W is a 2 battery parallel mod as well. The Therion 133W is the same mod with a DNA 200 chip instead of the DNA 75 and the batteries swapped to serial.
 

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The Therion 75W is a 2 battery parallel mod as well. The Therion 133W is the same mod with a DNA 200 chip instead of the DNA 75 and the batteries swapped to serial.
Ah, yes, of course. DNA75 chips in two-battery mods. The Think Vape finder as well, and a Boxer mod if I recall correctly. Any more?

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The Therion 75W is a 2 battery parallel mod as well. The Therion 133W is the same mod with a DNA 200 chip instead of the DNA 75 and the batteries swapped to serial.

Forgot that one... if Steve were in the thread, he'd have cited it. ;)

Ah, yes, of course. DNA200 chips in two-battery mods. The Think Vape finder as well, and a Boxer mod if I recall correctly. Any more?

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The Therion* is a DNA75... a bizarre combo (IMO) with a size penalty buying you extended runtime.

(* right from the start I wanted to snip a corner of the leather panel and name it Theon :eek: )

Not sure about the 200s though, just have 75s and the VT133s so I haven't been in the other threads or discussions. ThinkVape seems likely, given the Theon Therion, but are some Boxers really parallel?
 
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Ah, yes, of course. DNA200 chips in two-battery mods. The Think Vape finder as well, and a Boxer mod if I recall correctly. Any more?

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The 2 battery DNA 200s actually run at 133W (or 167 with the newer DNA 250). The original Therion 75 used 2 18650s in parallel with a DNA 75 board, which left lots of folks scratching their head at that decision. Not sure if Boxer ever did the same.

Edit: What Jim said.:D
 

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The 2 battery DNA 200s actually run at 133W (or 167 with the newer DNA 250). The original Therion 75 used 2 18650s in parallel with a DNA 75 board, which left lots of folks scratching their head at that decision. Not sure if Boxer ever did the same.

Edit: What Jim said.:D

It is an odd duck.

Perhaps the wholesale cost difference was still too great, but it was odd to use duals on a 75w capped chip. I like the i100 (&TC) for going to 120, and Evolve for capping at 133. instead of following the herd and squeezing 150-200w from a pair. Either through pulse trickery or just plain over extending the user standard 20A CDR batteries.

It was nice to see a little responsible behavior in the midst of this wattage arms race. :rolleyes:
 

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It is an odd duck.
Perhaps the wholesale cost difference was still too great, but it was odd to use duals on a 75w capped chip. I like the i100 (&TC) for going to 120, and Evolve for capping at 133. instead of following the herd and squeezing 150-200w from a pair. Either through pulse trickery or just plain over extending the user standard 20A CDR batteries.
It was nice to see a little responsible behavior in the midst of this wattage arms race. :rolleyes:

Oh, I agree with you about the ratings. I like honesty.

While it was an odd decision by Lost Vape at first, but they were able to milk that one chassis for several models, including the DNA 75 Squonker made by dropping one of those two batteries to make room for the squonk bottle, and then swap in the 200 board and reverse the batteries to get the "new" 133 version. Oh, and now throw in a 250 board and have a 167W Therion. That's a lot of use out of one design.
 

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<---------odd duck.

I run my Therion 133 at 50w max and a Reuleaux at 90w max. Then again, I am a safe, albeit excessively so, vaper. LOL

That Therion 75w dual 18650 even made this odd quacker scratch his noggin. I suppose it's a psuedo safety measure lest someone 'accidentally' use cells that are re-wraps or have sub-par CDR's.
 

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Oh, I agree with you about the ratings. I like honesty.

While it was an odd decision by Lost Vape at first, but they were able to milk that one chassis for several models, including the DNA 75 Squonker made by dropping one of those two batteries to make room for the squonk bottle, and then swap in the 200 board and reverse the batteries to get the "new" 133 version. Oh, and now throw in a 250 board and have a 167W Therion. That's a lot of use out of one design.


I agree the design has legs, I just haven't kept up.

Bought two flavor orders and an Xtar charger last week, my first vape purchases since the 4th of July sales. I've got an Aromamizer or two and a VT133 still sealed in their boxes.
Dammit... I don't need no more gear. :mad:
(and that includes reading threads where Steve is trying to lighten my wallet :p )

Oddly, I just looked at a thread on that squonk yesterday... didn't seem to be released just yet. Soon?
 

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<---------odd duck.

I run my Therion 133 at 50w max and a Reuleaux at 90w max. Then again, I am a safe, albeit excessively so, vaper. LOL

That Therion 75w dual 18650 even made this odd quacker scratch his noggin. I suppose it's a psuedo safety measure lest someone 'accidentally' use cells that are re-wraps or have sub-par CDR's.

I tend to doubt that, but just maybe it's a part.

To bring the thread back on track... I take the easy approach to battery safety calculations.

I don't mess with efficiencies as they vary too much (85% on many, the DNA200 claims 98%, where do my JTechs fit in?).
Unlike mechs, with a regulated we don't care what the lower amp draw is... just if we're safely within the capabilities of our battery(s) when it maxes out (as the battery gets drained).

I only have 20A CDRs for now, so I use 60 watts per cell as a working yardstick.

Some folks are comfortable stretching that as it's a constant discharge rating and we don't have a pulse rating standard. Also it's up to the user to keep track of the aging and any past abuse of their own batteries as that will lower their performance. That's a wrinkle in the numbers.

Then, in keeping with your Lost Vape thinking suggestion... there are some who make it a habit to keep to a max of about half the battery's CDR.

I fall in the middle somewhere and know my 60w yardstick keeps me safe (applied as the cells age, which no set calculation will help with).

The only time I break out the A = W / V formula... is when another new guy asks how to calculate amp draw on their reg mod. It's never, ever something I need to use myself... anymore.

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Mechs being an entirely different animal, where every build is important, and multiple cells change the appropriate resistance... the full Ohms Law formula is important until one has enough experience and knows where each appropriate range falls. But I don't mech (much). :D
 

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The Therion* is a DNA75... a bizarre combo (IMO) with a size penalty buying you extended runtime.

Damn it, I can't seem to get things right today :D Corrected my post.

Not sure about the 200s though, just have 75s and the VT133s so I haven't been in the other threads or discussions. ThinkVape seems likely, given the Theon Therion, but are some Boxers really parallel?

I'm not really interested in the Boxer mods, but I'm guessing there might be a two-battery one with the DNA75 chip. Then again I actually have no idea, and it would be a bit superfluous to a two-battery Boxer with the DNA200 chip, which of course might or might not exist :)

I think it might be a good idea for me to write no more posts today... :)

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Oddly, I just looked at a thread on that squonk yesterday... didn't seem to be released just yet. Soon?

The squonker has been out and available for some time now. Probably late summer? Not sure where you are, but a number of US vendors have it in stock, as well as the ubiquitous Chinese sites. Element Vape has several styles in stock, and Origin still has the Red Ostrich available (you know you want it :D).
 

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The squonker has been out and available for some time now. Probably late summer? Not sure where you are, but a number of US vendors have it in stock, as well as the ubiquitous Chinese sites. Element Vape has several styles in stock, and Origin still has the Red Ostrich available (you know you want it :D).

My bad, found the thread (it's on that other forum ) and it's about the HCigar VTinbox.
A post today says that one dropped last month.


And no... I don't want either. Not even in Ostrich. :rolleyes:

Get back in the corner with Steve and the rest. :mad:

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