LOL I found one of these stir plates. If you use it on you mix to get it to 50mg how long would you leave it on??
Magnetic Stir Plate: www.kegkits.com
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Magnetic Stir Plate: www.kegkits.com
If you don't mind shelling out $100 for a stirrer and some mag stir bars, an hour on low stir would be more than enough, not enough to splash liquid, but enough to move it with a slight vortex forming...if VG would do that, I don't know, never mag-stirred a liquid that thick. But it should work. You could do it in a bottle, doesn't have to be an erl. flask. Make sure it doesn't vibrate enough to let the bottle skid off, and put a paper towel under the bottle and the stirrer. And make sure whatever container you do it in, the container is only about 3/4 full.
Its not cheap, but probably safer than shaking a glass bottle. Another option is to get a big picture and stir it with a long spoon for 10 minutes or so.
In case you didn't see it, here is my procedure.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/myfreedomsmokes/43742-smoke-juice-storage-tips.html
Has links for the bottles, syringes, etc.
Mickirette, there is a lot more to working with nic juice than is often discussed. If you feel it is boggling your mind, IMHO you are not ready for 100 mg. But keep reading and learning. You may find you do not need such strong juice. But if you do eventually decide to get some, best to have a detailed plan, and maybe even a mock run with just VG or PG to get the feel. This stuff can get really messy and thus deadly.
Hmm magnetic stirrer the geek in me is pondering yet another excuse to buy more gadgets. In chemistry lab I found myself strangely mesmerized by the stirrer in beakers.
On a serious note my 100 mg/ml stuff is 100% PG base and I want to cut with PG. Seems like this dilution would mix easier than adding thicker VG into the mix right? I thought about that "hot spot" issue before but wasn't sure thanks for the tip.
Found this one on amazon and elsewhere at approximately the same price but more info. Max stirring amount is listed at 1L. For $79.15.
Amazon.com: Hanna Instruments HI 190M-1 Magnetic Stirrer: Industrial & Scientific
On a serious note my 100 mg/ml stuff is 100% PG base and I want to cut with PG. Seems like this dilution would mix easier than adding thicker VG into the mix right? I thought about that "hot spot" issue before but wasn't sure thanks for the tip.
Found this one on amazon and elsewhere at approximately the same price but more info. Max stirring amount is listed at 1L. For $79.15.
Amazon.com: Hanna Instruments HI 190M-1 Magnetic Stirrer: Industrial & Scientific
Yeah, there are a lot of things in chemistry I find mesmerizing.
Adding VG to PG should be easier than VG to VG. The Hanna looks better than the other, a bit beefier and looks like it has better stir control. Might be good for other household or juice applications where larger volumes are needed, but you may find that if this is all you use it for you won't be using it again for a long time. My 0.5 L of 100 mg will probably last years. That said, exogenesis has quite a lab environment set up, including vapor analysis and titration gear. He (I assume its a he) or DVap might know where you can get a good one for not a lot of money. I doubt you will do better than $80.
I say this a lot, but when Isee people wanting to buy or buying highly-concentrated solutions of aqueous nicotine, I get the willies. Anything above 60mg/ml should be as illegal here as it is in Europe - it really is that dangerous to you and to the environment. In the 100mg/ml range, you really should be well-versed in organic chemistry and wearing a hazmat suit and working in an OSHA approved fume hood.
Moreover, you can't just buy pharmaceutical aqueous nicotine from a U.S. manufacturer. They won't sell it to just anyone. Why you need to think about that fact is: the number one use for aqueous nicotine world-wide is as a pesticide and herbicide; primarily in South America and Asia.
Because the labs that manufacture the stock e-liquids don't sell these ultra-high nicotine content liquids, you really have no assurance - zero confidence - that you are purchasing a pharmaceutical grade of nicotine versus the far more common technical grade made for killing things.
You also have to consider that if I go out and buy some of this stuff and seriously damage myself with it, not only am I going to sue the person I bought it from, I'm also coming after each of you who told me where to find it, the publisher of this forum, all of your relatives, your cats and dogs, and all of their relatives.
It's the world we live in. And it really is all that dangerous - times two.
Moreover, you can't just buy pharmaceutical aqueous nicotine from a U.S. manufacturer. They won't sell it to just anyone. Why you need to think about that fact is: the number one use for aqueous nicotine world-wide is as a pesticide and herbicide; primarily in South America and Asia.
Because the labs that manufacture the stock e-liquids don't sell these ultra-high nicotine content liquids, you really have no assurance - zero confidence - that you are purchasing a pharmaceutical grade of nicotine versus the far more common technical grade made for killing things.
You also have to consider that if I go out and buy some of this stuff and seriously damage myself with it, not only am I going to sue the person I bought it from, I'm also coming after each of you who told me where to find it, the publisher of this forum, all of your relatives, your cats and dogs, and all of their relatives.
It's the world we live in. And it really is all that dangerous - times two.
That is one type of person. Another, one which I find as common as the first, is someone who accepts personal responsibility for their actions, who would never blame others for their mistakes, and who abhors how the first type person feels entitled to safety, security, and well-being through the sole virtue of being alive.
MFS is definitely one of the best cheapest places to buy unflavored nic-solutionclear and good.
Absolutely agree.... and that "one type of person" is the type I so much despise and is hopefully taken out of the equation by Darwin leaving the rest of mankind to "survive" with even the slightest of common sense and personal responsibility.
It would be like attempting to sue SC Johnson et all because one bought some off the shelf insecticide (RAID) then without doing any type of research (reading) at all had at it in an enclosed crawlspace ending their unworthy life by means of stupidity.
-Greg
+1 for Kurts info, his posts hooked me up when I first started mixing. Also, if you care, the juice from MFS is made in the USA. Other suppliers may get their stuff from China or the UK. I don't recall the name right now, but there is one guy on the forums selling juice from china that the more senior forum members totally stand behind. I've heard some bad stories with other chinese made juice being more yellow or chemically.
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Tinker,
Your concerns are appreciated, and I like to see words of caution surrounding very-high nic juices. Nicotine is dangerous, but it is legal, and not a controlled substance as yet. The bottles of nic-juice are generally labeled making it clear it is a poison and hazmat. I seriously doubt that if you managed to damage yourself with nicotine you would stand a chance of winning a lawsuit against everyone you mention. Everyone knows nic is dangerous, and as long as it is legal telling people where to get it is also legal, and so is selling it.
Pharm grade nic is not much more expensive than pesticide grade nic, but pharm grade produces a clear colorless solution, which BTW is not aqueous, it is in PG or VG, although some water may be added to thin it a bit. Pest grade tends to be yellow to orange, but pharm grade when exposed to air over time will also yellow. Best to buy juice that is clear and colorless, such as MFS or Levy's, both of which have been tested by our resident chemists and contain the nic level as advertised.
Vendors, especially US juice makers part of this forum, have no interest in ripping people off. False claims of nic content that are discovered lead to no one buying from that vendor. Good nic is not that expensive. Vendors like customers.
That all said, I agree with Levy, those new to DIY should stick with lower nic levels until they have more experience. Working with VG juice is not like working with water, and messes are inevitable until you know what you are doing. I recommend using syringes for pretty much everything, as I spelled out in the storage thread.
And stay away from pure free-base nic. I'm a long term chemist and I will not touch the stuff. It is wickedly dangerous, for sure. 100 mg juice is also extremely dangerous, but the PG or VG does slow up skin absorption to a degree. That said, you get 0.5 mL on you and best wash it off fast, and you will still likely feel sick from it. Spill a bunch on the carpet, and you have a hazmat situation that will have to be taken care of professionally. Spill a bunch on you with significant skin coverage and you will either die or wish you did. Horrible way to go.
But in the few years that ecigs and ejuice have been around here, there has not been one serious injury or death. So even though nic juice can be certainly dangerous, nic + knowledge + safety measures seems to be statistically "safer" than driving a car. And I'm sure the FDA and the media is desperately looking for some nic-related death or hospitalization. Trust me, if there was one we would know, and so would everyone else.
NRTs, especially the patch, however, are responsible for many nic-related hospitalizations every year from nic poisoning. No problem with them being available. Chantix is responsible for suicide ideation and actual suicides. No problem there either, although it is script only. Swallow a bunch of lozenges or gum pieces and you can kill yourself. No problem with availability there either. All, but chantix, are over the counter.
So its ok to buy 60 mg, but not higher? Well, that's the UK, which is rapidly becoming more of a nanny state than the US. I don't know why 60 mg is much less of a hazard than 100 mg. Both are going to injure if misused, and both are going to totally screw up a house if a lot is spilled.
I can't change laws, and I hate it when laws deny me my right to be a responsible adult. You will possibly get your wish, and then some, as it is likely nic levels will be capped, or worse, simply denied. Until then, everything here is legal at all levels, and these are all adults, and good information on handling and using is something I can provide to continue our excellent record of safety. Indeed, it was that proven record of safety in this country that won us our first round in court against the FDA. The shrill cries of danger to everyone was simply not backed up by evidence of any injuries or deaths.
So as long as nic is legal, I intend to do the best I can to guide those that wish to use it, because people will want to use it.
Your concerns are appreciated, and I like to see words of caution surrounding very-high nic juices. Nicotine is dangerous, but it is legal, and not a controlled substance as yet. The bottles of nic-juice are generally labeled making it clear it is a poison and hazmat. I seriously doubt that if you managed to damage yourself with nicotine you would stand a chance of winning a lawsuit against everyone you mention. Everyone knows nic is dangerous, and as long as it is legal telling people where to get it is also legal, and so is selling it.
Pharm grade nic is not much more expensive than pesticide grade nic, but pharm grade produces a clear colorless solution, which BTW is not aqueous, it is in PG or VG, although some water may be added to thin it a bit. Pest grade tends to be yellow to orange, but pharm grade when exposed to air over time will also yellow. Best to buy juice that is clear and colorless, such as MFS or Levy's, both of which have been tested by our resident chemists and contain the nic level as advertised.
Vendors, especially US juice makers part of this forum, have no interest in ripping people off. False claims of nic content that are discovered lead to no one buying from that vendor. Good nic is not that expensive. Vendors like customers.
That all said, I agree with Levy, those new to DIY should stick with lower nic levels until they have more experience. Working with VG juice is not like working with water, and messes are inevitable until you know what you are doing. I recommend using syringes for pretty much everything, as I spelled out in the storage thread.
And stay away from pure free-base nic. I'm a long term chemist and I will not touch the stuff. It is wickedly dangerous, for sure. 100 mg juice is also extremely dangerous, but the PG or VG does slow up skin absorption to a degree. That said, you get 0.5 mL on you and best wash it off fast, and you will still likely feel sick from it. Spill a bunch on the carpet, and you have a hazmat situation that will have to be taken care of professionally. Spill a bunch on you with significant skin coverage and you will either die or wish you did. Horrible way to go.
But in the few years that ecigs and ejuice have been around here, there has not been one serious injury or death. So even though nic juice can be certainly dangerous, nic + knowledge + safety measures seems to be statistically "safer" than driving a car. And I'm sure the FDA and the media is desperately looking for some nic-related death or hospitalization. Trust me, if there was one we would know, and so would everyone else.
NRTs, especially the patch, however, are responsible for many nic-related hospitalizations every year from nic poisoning. No problem with them being available. Chantix is responsible for suicide ideation and actual suicides. No problem there either, although it is script only. Swallow a bunch of lozenges or gum pieces and you can kill yourself. No problem with availability there either. All, but chantix, are over the counter.
So its ok to buy 60 mg, but not higher? Well, that's the UK, which is rapidly becoming more of a nanny state than the US. I don't know why 60 mg is much less of a hazard than 100 mg. Both are going to injure if misused, and both are going to totally screw up a house if a lot is spilled.
I can't change laws, and I hate it when laws deny me my right to be a responsible adult. You will possibly get your wish, and then some, as it is likely nic levels will be capped, or worse, simply denied. Until then, everything here is legal at all levels, and these are all adults, and good information on handling and using is something I can provide to continue our excellent record of safety. Indeed, it was that proven record of safety in this country that won us our first round in court against the FDA. The shrill cries of danger to everyone was simply not backed up by evidence of any injuries or deaths.
So as long as nic is legal, I intend to do the best I can to guide those that wish to use it, because people will want to use it.
thanks for the kind words, gerry!
I do have a concern with Chinese juices, mainly because they tend to be quite yellow, and info about their content is less available. Dakang is cheap, but not that cheap compared to the uncertainly. Besides, I prefer to support american producers who seem to be far more quality oriented than bulk-cheap oriented. And given that it would take years to vape up a liter of 100 mg juice, how much can you realistically buy? Buy known quality, preferably on sale, store it properly, and you're set for a long time.
If it scares me make a law against it! Freedom throuth regulation! Sorry I see too much of this attitude as a target shooter. Let's just keepon until one of the Democrat party members have to protect us poor stupid nico users from evil big nic.
Btw: I got my 40ml of 100mg. I made some mango juice which I haeto cut some. Too strong still.
Btw: I got my 40ml of 100mg. I made some mango juice which I haeto cut some. Too strong still.
Hi all, I'm new to the forum. I haven't even received my ec yet (usps). I just bought a couple of batteries,blank carts,two tiny bottles of premixed,and a charger just to try it. So I now those little 5ml bottles are not gonna last long if I like it. If I do, I wanna mix my own, I'm just that way. But i was actually looking at one of those 100mg bottles until I read this. I had no idea how bad this stuff is. I have a wife,kids,and pets. So I'm gonna start, and stick with the 36mg or lower, and mix it in the garage. It's not worth the risk. It's kind of like transferring use motor oil, does not matter how careful you are some always gets spilled.
Thanks for keeping me,and mine safe.
Tim Hansen
Thanks for keeping me,and mine safe.
Tim Hansen
Actually, Silverslayer, 36mg isn't exactly healthy for either kids or pets, either, and neither is any liquid containing nicotine.
Please store them all child- and pet-safe! And if you DIY, the same goes for the flavours. Some out there are very potent and absolutely not meant to be consumed undilluted.
Please store them all child- and pet-safe! And if you DIY, the same goes for the flavours. Some out there are very potent and absolutely not meant to be consumed undilluted.
I have gotten a couple of orders from Levy Roberts over at:
Welcome to XtremeVaping.com
Great product, super fast shipping and a great person to deal with. I wouldn't consider getting my nic from anyone else.
Welcome to XtremeVaping.com
Great product, super fast shipping and a great person to deal with. I wouldn't consider getting my nic from anyone else.
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