Best spot to get straight PG/VG in larger amounts?

[Don Robertson]

Tractor Supply in my neck of the woods (87144) = $21.99 and the sore is 10 minutes away. A gallon would last me until I turn ..... older.
Ideal Animal Health Propylene Glyco, 1 gal. - Tractor Supply Co.

"Ideal Animal Health Propylene Glycol is for use as an aid in prevention and treatment of Ketosis (Acetonemia). Complicating conditions such as milk fever, mastitis or metritis must be treated separately. Ketosis is associated with one or more of these conditions. This product may be used in conjunction with medication intended for treatment of those conditions. Mix with feed or use as a drench. Use as a preventative or as a treatment." ------Ingredients: ------- Propylene Glycol

Cattle - Yes ........... Life Stage - Adult ............ Type - Liquid ............ Brand - Ideal Animal Health .......... Manufacturer Part Number - 79231

I'm as good as an animal any day! I like my "liquids"! "Old Jack Daniel's had a farm ...... oh me .... oh me ..... I'm old!"

Review: "I use this product in a special formula of fly spray. I have had an extremely tough time finding it locally. but here it is on your web site, thanks so much".[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ------------- FLY SPRAY! I'll never have flies in my lungs again![/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT]

From Senility Central ..... Old Man Don

 

[Don Robertson]

ANIMAL GRADE? I just saw this in DIY:


(Refer to: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html ... for more information).

I found this to be quite interesting. "Absolutely correct"? I do not know - but it SOUNDS informative.

This information is primarily for DIY purposes, and describes the grades suitable for inhalation.


Only the pharma grade of these materials should be used for inhalation, in theory, since all other grades contain contaminants to an increasing degree (the difference between the grades is the percentage of contaminants).

These carriers are made in four grades:

Pharmaceutical Grade - for human consumption including by inhalation

Food Grade - for human consumption by ingestion but not inhalation

Agricultural (Farm) Grade - for use in connection with animals

Industrial Grade - for use in machinery, manufacturing and similar purposes

All of these grades except Pharma Grade contain contaminants, in increasing amounts as the grade quality reduces. This is the difference in the grades.

DO NOT buy FARM GRADE OR INDUSTRIAL GRADE MATERIALS FOR INHALATION - THEY ARE CONTAMINATED.

Even Food Grade should probably not be inhaled, because the digestive system can handle the contaminants in it that the lungs may not be able to. An example of this kind of difference is the flavoring chemical diacetyl, which has a very strong butter popcorn aroma. It is safe for ingestion (eating) as the digestive system can neutralize it; but it can be fatal when inhaled over a period of time as it causes a degenerative lung disease called 'popcorn lung', Bronchiolitis Obliterans. This is a rather extreme analogy, admittedly, but it does illustrate the very wide difference between the digestive tract and the lungs.

PG and VG are both sold in good quality and are labelled:

Propylene Glycol, USP (or BP or EU)

Glycerine, USP (or BP or EU)

It is possible that a USP product can be either pharma grade or food grade. The USP designation only refers to a general production regime and does not cover the percentage of contaminants. So a USP product might be considered safe for inhalation; or it might, on test, prove inadvisable to inhale. The only product that is guaranteed to be suitable for inhalation is a product that is (a) designated by the manufacturer as Pharmaceutical Grade, and that (b) also has a provable license for inclusion in a specific inhalable medicine. Needless to say this is virtually impossible to locate for the individual buyer. A vendor would be able to buy e.g. Dow Optim glycerin in quantity, for mixing down (or its PG equivalent), and be assured the material is suitable. This however doesn't take into account the nicotine base carrier PG or glycerine.

So? Buying E-juice or the fixins' for same from Herb's Palace of Perpetual Pleasure" COULD lead one to ingest a "horrible for the health" - but, "great tasting" E-juice. This is a dangerous game we play. Simply put - VERIFY your "fixins" if at all possible. Even then sticking to a larger, well established (albeit potentially more expensive) supplier is OUR best bet.

JUST A BIT OF INTERESTING INFO (HOPEFULLY SO): WE could unknowingly buy 'GLYCERIN' from these folks: About Us if WE didn't verify where the product originated. WOULD some "brewers" of E-Juice use this?? I would hate to think so ..... but "what if"?? The first paragraph begins with, "US Glycerin is a Manufacturer, Distributor, and Retail Marketing Agency of Premium Glycerin for all of your needs."

Check the SECOND paragraph! Still at: http://www.usglycerin.com/pages/About-Us.html ..... holy crap!

Worry is MY middle name and I am high atop the master control tower at:

SENILITY CENTRAL .... Old Man Don