Beta Carboline MAOIs - towards a more effective e-liquid

[slopes]

I have two and a half layers The bottom layer is deep orange. The large middle layer is shadowy silt blending into a top bit which is close to the original greeny olive oil colour. It could easily be a lava lamp!

 

[kinabaloo]

I have two and a half layers The bottom layer is deep orange. The large middle layer is shadowy silt blending into a top bit which is close to the original greeny olive oil colour. It could easily be a lava lamp!

This is great - seems the alkaloids switched well first mix. Still, I'd repeat (shake up again) once or twice more. Worth it as this will only take 10 minutes.

 

[slopes]

If it wasn't for the silt floating in the oil layer, I think it would all be light. The clear top quarter is light and I think that shows what colour all the rest of the oil is (if it wasn't obscured by the silt suspended in it).

So: bottom quarter = dark orange. Top three quarters = pale yellowy green.

 

[kinabaloo]

If it wasn't for the silt floating in the oil layer, I think it would all be light. The clear top quarter is light and I think that shows what colour all the rest of the oil is (if it wasn't obscured by the silt suspended in it).

So: bottom quarter = dark orange. Top three quarters = pale yellowy green.

Yes, exactly same as my experience.

For reference, what acid did you use and how many drops per ml ?

 

[slopes]

I used the vitamin C powder again. I didn't measure it... I just stopped short of saturating the mineral water.

 

[kinabaloo]

I used the vitamin C powder again. I didn't measure it... I just stopped short of saturating the mineral water.

Yes, vitamin C powder seems to be string enough. It does lose acidity over time (year or so). By chance I was finishing off an old container of vit C tablets (no use for WTA as full of fillers) and because unbuffered are quite sharp normally; these old ones had no sharp taste at all ! My powder is quite old too and has yellowed somewhat. Vit C does oxidise quite easily, that's why it's an antioxidant - sacrificial oxidation with a harmless oxidation product.

How is the vape ?

 

[slopes]

How can we be sure this dark orange colour isn't just the tar and tannins carried over from the tobacco?

 

[kinabaloo]

Wouldn't be tar. Shouldn't be tannins. Should be just alkaloids. I did ask tceight to try this veg oil method to see if he has reservations in this regard. As far as i can tell, it is just alkaloids; it looks right - has the glow seen in high nic liquids. And seems to be far more efficaceous (so I hope it is also pure).

 

[slopes]

How is the vape ?

Are you saying it's ready to vape now?!?

 

[kinabaloo]

If the oil has little color, maybe no need to repeat the shake up.

The water layer is still a little translucent ? Are you going to swing it first ?

I might try a few drops in a tad of VG

 

[slopes]

I might try a few drops in a tad of VG

I've just given it another shake... I want to get all them little alkaloid critters down exactly where they should be!

 

[kinabaloo]

How do you feel this time with the veg oil compares to the previous runs ?

 

[kinabaloo]

I think I'll definetely make some pH paper before I do again. It would be really good to know when one has added enough acid.

 

[slopes]

I feel a lot happier using the veg oil. For a start it's easier to find and it seems to work well in the process. I did forget to heat up the olive oil before adding it to the mix... but then I warmed up the whole mix afterwards. I think the olive oil is slightly thicker than the mineral oil - and that probably helped with the pressing.

What percentage mix WTA water / VG do you suggest for this? Bearing in mind that it is made from snuff.

 

[kinabaloo]

YOur mention of tannins has perturbed me a little, as these polyphenols can bind to alkaloids. Hopefully the carbonate deals with the tannins and frees the alkaloids but would need tceight to verify this.

 

[kinabaloo]

I feel a lot happier using the veg oil. For a start it's easier to find and it seems to work well in the process. I did forget to heat up the olive oil before adding it to the mix... but then I warmed up the whole mix afterwards. I think the olive oil is slightly thicker than the mineral oil - and that probably helped with the pressing.

What percentage mix WTA water / VG do you suggest for this? Bearing in mind that it is made from snuff.

I dont think of it as a ratio. I add the alkaline water till the tobacco is all wetted then the oil to the extent needed. The oil is probably about twice the volume of the water - rough guess.

Btw, extra virgin oil ? Where did you get the snuff - online? Abroad ? Do they have it in Tesco ?

 

[kinabaloo]

Seems that as long as dont overdo the acid, don't get the oil turning to fat or soap.

 

[slopes]

I dont think of it as a ratio. I add the alkaline water till the tobacco is all wetted then the oil to the extent needed. The oil is probably about twice the volume of the water - rough guess.

Btw, extra virgin oil ? Where did you get the snuff - online? Abroad ? Do they have it in Tesco ?

I meant the percentage of the orange water to the VG for the vaping trial.

Yep - my local Tesco has stacks of extra virgin these days.

 

[kinabaloo]

I have some ready to go (I'm a big user of the stuff actually, even though i dont really like the taste too much).

I meant can one buy snuff in Tesco ?

~ 1:4 VG (80% VG) perhaps 70% would still be ok

 

[slopes]

Oh the snuff...haha, yes I bought it online. It's about a quarter of the price of regular ciggy tobacco. I posted up a pic some days ago of the tin I was buying.