I am vaping this stuff right now. I want to reiterate how very calming it is. So calming I feel like going to take a nap!... okay, maybe that is counterproductive to concentration, next time I will leave out the valerian and just go with the PF.
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I have been experimenting with vaping passionflower for the last week. I mixed one part 500mg/ml passionflower extract with 2 parts 60mg/ml nic and vaped away. Taste like crappola, actually it taste like tree bark. I have been thinking about adding a little menthol to it to take the edge off. Hard to get past the taste right now so the longest I have spent with it is about 2 hours. I did feel relaxed but it was also at the end of the day and I was drinking some relaxing tea with it so..... I found one source for passionflower alkaloids in freebase form and was thinking that might be the way to go to eliminate the off taste that the vg based tincture seems to have.
Hey, whim. Interesting stuff. You're in good company with kin and IANAN. I'm an avid follower, myself. My understanding of this is mild at best and these guys have worked overtime to bring it to my level. It does sound like you're following a good path. Keep posting and I'll keep reading 
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Not sure how far to cut the gram down is the only thing that has prevented me thus far. If you decide to give it a shot let me know and I will "beta test" this along with you.
Ok,... "toxic when ingested in sufficient amounts...Do Not Ingest...Not sold for consumption".....I'm really interested, now . On my own I think I could figure out how to make myself glow under a black light, but that's about it. Keep posting, fellas .
. On my own I think I could figure out how to make myself glow under a black light, but that's about it. Keep posting, fellas .Ok,... "toxic when ingested in sufficient amounts...Do Not Ingest...Not sold for consumption".....I'm really interested, now
If you do a little research on harmine alkaloids you will understand why that "warning" is there. Think of the "warnings" that will be put on pg juice with 3.6% nicotine content used solely for the purpose of killing spiders on tomato plants post FDA ban. While the glowing under blacklight does sound a little strange, it is offered as proof of the purity of the product, which does indeed flourece under blacklight under highest purity.
Edit: I actually just noticed the in the link the title page of that product say's "all the caapi glow without the plant". lol, that keyword should help jump start your harmine research.
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Thanks, gsa. That's what I suspected. Being so adamant about the purity and lack of nasties told me it must be usable in some concentration. Any idea what happens when heat from an atty is applied?
wmz, where did you get your pf extract? I got mine at puritanspride.com I admit I have just been drinking the extract in some tea at night and it taste much better than vaping it. The pf I have seems to have a very overpowering flavor, not sure if a drop or two in liquid would make a huge "mood" impact or not. Stonewall dissolvables have put a major dent in the "missing" department for me though.
Creation of a DIY e-liquid by a soak of tobacco in a PGA / VG mix is one way forward.
There is approximately 10mg of nicotine in the tobacco of one cigarette. Potentially 10x more than is absorbed from smoking that cigarette.
A simple soak can extract the other active alkaloids too. But also non-useful alkaloids and perhaps other substances too, not all of which will vaporise.
One interesting question is how long to soak. Some experimentation has found that the nicotine is released pretty quickly so not soaking for too long might help, but how long would be best is unclear.
Some grinding of the tobacco before soaking it might be useful too.
There is approximately 10mg of nicotine in the tobacco of one cigarette. Potentially 10x more than is absorbed from smoking that cigarette.
A simple soak can extract the other active alkaloids too. But also non-useful alkaloids and perhaps other substances too, not all of which will vaporise.
One interesting question is how long to soak. Some experimentation has found that the nicotine is released pretty quickly so not soaking for too long might help, but how long would be best is unclear.
Some grinding of the tobacco before soaking it might be useful too.
gsa, I make my own. I do an alcohol-based extraction. The stuff works and tastes nice. A little earthy, but not like what you described. I think I will try the glycerin extraction method next. Which makes sense, I was used to making tinctures with alcohol, so just stuck with it. The VG idea is a no brainer for these purposes, so thanks for the prompt on that kinabaloo.
My husband, who doesn't smoke, will even puff on it straight (no nic).
I imagine mileage may vary. But so far, any more than three drops and I get sleepy. Usually two or three drops per session does the trick. I don't use it every time, so, I definitely feel it when it's in there. I am not a very big person, so that may be why, dunno. I just am very sensitive on the whole. I definitely get the same sense of calm as with a cig. When it's not there, I feel anxious and actually smoke more. Which is actually counter-intuitive to the research. I think it is because my brain is not satisfied with the result. When I get the calm, I feel sated and put it down.
My husband, who doesn't smoke, will even puff on it straight (no nic).
I imagine mileage may vary. But so far, any more than three drops and I get sleepy. Usually two or three drops per session does the trick. I don't use it every time, so, I definitely feel it when it's in there. I am not a very big person, so that may be why, dunno. I just am very sensitive on the whole. I definitely get the same sense of calm as with a cig. When it's not there, I feel anxious and actually smoke more. Which is actually counter-intuitive to the research. I think it is because my brain is not satisfied with the result. When I get the calm, I feel sated and put it down.
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That's right, the something missing is not just adding the 'relaxing' side to nicotine's stimulating side, it is also involved in the satiation. Vapers on just nicotine often find they just can't 'put it down'.
There will be a lot of denial of the simple tobacco soak. Gain credibility, feign support and then dish it. Standard black op.
Just waiting for measurements, Kin. Personal experiences aren't definitive -- but mine have been failures. So I'm awaiting a successful soak method that can be done in a kitchen.
In the meantime ... if finer is better, some American nasal snuffs kick like a mule and have the texture of pure dust! Soak some of those. Plus, small quantities could be used to create smaller amounts of liquid. Nasal snuff also is dirt cheap!
P.S. I am in no way putting down experiments to obtain nicotine and WTA from tobacco. Boy, do I ever want a way to obtain this if the FDA ban is clamped in place. Right now, I have a 17mg Odens Kanal snus (in a miniature tea bag) in my mouth. If I could get even part of that 17mg of nicotine into a liquid ...
In the meantime ... if finer is better, some American nasal snuffs kick like a mule and have the texture of pure dust! Soak some of those. Plus, small quantities could be used to create smaller amounts of liquid. Nasal snuff also is dirt cheap!
P.S. I am in no way putting down experiments to obtain nicotine and WTA from tobacco. Boy, do I ever want a way to obtain this if the FDA ban is clamped in place. Right now, I have a 17mg Odens Kanal snus (in a miniature tea bag) in my mouth. If I could get even part of that 17mg of nicotine into a liquid ...
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TBob, that's not what you have said previously.
Real numbers from an unbiased source is what is needed.
Real numbers from an unbiased source is what is needed.
I have tried the VG soak on some snus portioins. VG isn't the best vehicle to extract the WTA. I have found that TB's suggestion to use PG based nic juice works the best. One major reason against VG is that it is almost impossible to filter the final product. I was able to filter using a cloth material but I'm sure the coffee filter or equalivant would have removed more of the solids that were extracted along with the target chemicals. I think that the mechanical filtering would be prefered prior to putting this material through your atomizer.
Also DVap's tests have shown that a simple soak isn't sufficient to retrieve the alkaloids we are wanting. I do it simply for the taste and slight benefit what alkaloids do survive may have.
Also DVap's tests have shown that a simple soak isn't sufficient to retrieve the alkaloids we are wanting. I do it simply for the taste and slight benefit what alkaloids do survive may have.
I can not find the study now darn it. They used nicotine pills and caffeine. It showed that it did increase metabolism. So one would think ecigs and caffeine would too.
I do know I am not missing tobacco much. I also have hated the taste of it too.
Can any find this study? It is not the nicotine gum one.
I do know I am not missing tobacco much. I also have hated the taste of it too.
Can any find this study? It is not the nicotine gum one.
I spoke with my TCM (traditional chinese medicine) doctor about a herbal formula for vaping and he mixed me up a collection of herb tinctures that have some interesting properties. California poppy leaf/flower, gota kola (and a couple others that i can't read the names well enough to quote)... some of which have some calming properties. Have to say that it tastes pretty bad (need to be a little more selective for flavor in the future). All of them are in a glycerine, alcohol, water mixture, so vape pretty well as is. I would be surprised if there was not already some herb tincture that does not have some of the properties you are looking for. Keep up the research... be interested to see what you discover.
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