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Wow DVap, just been checking out ur posts and such and u are quite some chemical help on this forum. My aspirations are to be a chemist someday...
So I have a few questions for you.
Without going to into more extraction detail, was it infact an acid/base extraction you used to create WTA e-liquid?
And what is stopping me from just using PG or VG as a solvent, taking like 40 grams of RYO tobacco, finding the average % of nicotine in tobacco, do all that nice math of proper mg/ml, then straining the plant material? Are there chemicals that will not vaporize and mess up my atty, lack of flavor? Ive read u can never determine the nicotine, but im assuming the variable would not be unsafe.
And finally, do current procedures of nicotine extraction extract all tobacco alkaloids, then isolate nicotine? Or Isolate nicotine from the get go?
Thanks, and my apologies if these have already been answered.
The first step involves the selection of a solvent, pH condition, and mechanical processing of the tobacco to get as much of the materials we want as possible and get as little of the materials we don't want as possible. Once this step is achieved, the acid/base steps can be applied with a minimum of interference.
If we promise not to hold you responsible for anything we screw up, could you
send us a step by step or how to of the process?
send us a step by step or how to of the process?
Dvap has long been a responsible poster on this forum, lending his expertise. It is my hope that he never posts how some home hobbyist can attempt to extract a deadly poison and other substances from tobacco. This is work for people with specialized expertise.
Also, his WTA, which I tested as a guinea pig twice, was terrific, yet not financially feasible and certainly not cleared by the FDA as the "new drug" it would be branded. His WTA cannot be duplicated by soaking tobacco in anything, or cooking it, so these attempts will produce only dirty liquid. I know. I've done it all that way without any success.
Also, his WTA, which I tested as a guinea pig twice, was terrific, yet not financially feasible and certainly not cleared by the FDA as the "new drug" it would be branded. His WTA cannot be duplicated by soaking tobacco in anything, or cooking it, so these attempts will produce only dirty liquid. I know. I've done it all that way without any success.
Bob, that's how I see it.
The trouble with posting a "how to" is that it would impart knowledge, but would fail to impart the technical expertise and real-world experience required to safely and successfully utilize the knowledge. Kurt put it best, to paraphrase: "you'd better be a chemist, and an organic chemist, and a good one at that".
I've been in contact with folks who might have the expertise and financing to bring a WTA product to market (Via Bob's introduction), but unfortunately, that's been a dead end as I've never heard anything back.
Just the other day, I started the initial step on 80 grams of some good NAS tobacco. I figure I can make 50 mL of 30 mg WTA liquid... for special occasions. I've also got a project on the back burner that I was talking with Bob about that involves turning Stonewalls into low TSNA WTA liquid. That's gonna take a lot of Stonewalls!
So while I'm on the quiet side of late, not all is total darkness in the lab.
So in my promise to keep you updated here goes:
No adverse health reactions after two weeks.
I'm using about a drop per milliliter when the oral dosage on the bottle is 20-30 drops, thrice daily, so it's not a particularly high dosage.
I've eaten liver, fava beans and nice chianti with no headache etc, so at this dosage the effect of an MAOI-b and a regular diet doesn't seem to effect me.
No increased sun sensitivity.
My blood pressure is lower than when I started(107/65 on average) and the shortness of breath I had experienced before is greatly reduced. I'm wondering if those were more due to anxiety than overdone nicotine and PG.
I vape less and do not freak out if my e-cig is not at hand.
My cravings for analogs are practically nil and my mood is better.
I had two drags off a friend's cigarette about a week ago and handed it back with no desire to continue.
My only complaint is that the tincture I'm using seems to leave a residue on the cartomizer and has to be washed out more often.
So, for me, this seems to be working. I do not recommend it for others without severe caution to take it slow and monitor any possible adverse reactions. Read up all you can on harmine and related alkaloids as much as you can before you try any experiments.
Been vaping passionflower for the past two days as well. Same strength as you (1 drop per milliliter). You are right-on about the flavor. Every time I take a vape, I smell what I can only describe as, well, "dope-like"! I am using the brand "Nature's Answer", which is an extract (not a tincture) with a concentration of 1:1, is alcohol-free, is in a base of vegetable glycerin (glycerol), and is "holistically balanced" in the same ratios as that found in the whole natural plant.
It is effective.
Thank you for your experiments, grim_piper.
Hope this also helps someone.
Nicotine, though therapeutic, is not the whole answer.
There is truly a multitude of wonders out there, folks.
--John
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I'm neither Jongleur or Grim_piper but I've been trying it as well. I hadn't found nicotine juices laking but started vaping Passion Flower out of curiosity. I've been doing it for two weeks. Happened upon it at the health food store and showed it to my wife. She was supportive of the $10 purchase as she had seen something positive about ingesting the extract on the Dr. Oz Show.
I'm using Eclectic Institute extract, 1 drop/ml. I really like the herbal taste mixed with TW Decadent Vapor Absinthe. I use it most evenings. It relaxes me a bit and allows me to shut off my mind and go to sleep slightly easier than previously.
Mine has the alcohol base.
Since both are solvents and we use both in vaping, not sure there would be a difference. Didn't have a choice though.
Hawaii may be paradise but its not a shopping paradise.
Since both are solvents and we use both in vaping, not sure there would be a difference. Didn't have a choice though.
Hawaii may be paradise but its not a shopping paradise.
a reliable herbal sedative?
is this still about Passion flower as a Antianxiety/sedative product
can this be included in an ejuice?
and is this the real thing and not some rip-off like so much in a health food store,
too put it into a more common language, is this the buds or some cheap "stems and leaves concoction"?
is this still about Passion flower as a Antianxiety/sedative product
can this be included in an ejuice?
and is this the real thing and not some rip-off like so much in a health food store,
too put it into a more common language, is this the buds or some cheap "stems and leaves concoction"?
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Works for me
I didn't notice any effects @ 1 drop per ml other than that "herb" taste.
@ the suggested dosage of 40 drops added to a glass of water I felt sleepy fast
I got mine @
Herb Pharm Dropper Passion Flower Extract -- 1 fl oz - Vitacost
For the whopping price of $9.26 30ml/dropper bottle
It's this brand;
Herb Pharm - Single Herb Extracts
From their site, Looks like bud to me!
"Plant Part Extracted: Dried flowering tips"
Haven't tried ginseng lately, I had a reaction to it years ago and haven't touched it since. sorry
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I'll start experimenting with this, I've been suffering from very strong analogue cravings during anxious/depressed phases (I've bipolar) and really would like to mimic the MAOI effect of tobacco. Now to find passionflower extract in Ireland..
I should post on this in greater detail:
I'm a bipolar sufferer, I regularly go through anxious periods and depressed periods and cigarette smoking was very helpful to me during them in the past. This research on MAOIs and passionflower extract is very interesting to me. The only time I've craved a cigarette since I started vaping was during a particularly low and anxious night a few days ago. I didn't crave nicotine I craved something else in the tobacco. This could quite possibly be it.
As such, what I'm going to do is test the passionflower extract for its ability to substitute for this missing element in tobacco during crisis points of anxiety and/or depression. "Fortunately" I go through one of these every two weeks or so, so we won't have to wait too long to get some results. Hopefully over a month I can play around with dosages to see if I can mimic this effect for me since it would be invaluable to other bipolar sufferers and schizophrenics trying vaping as an alternative to tobacco.
I'm a bipolar sufferer, I regularly go through anxious periods and depressed periods and cigarette smoking was very helpful to me during them in the past. This research on MAOIs and passionflower extract is very interesting to me. The only time I've craved a cigarette since I started vaping was during a particularly low and anxious night a few days ago. I didn't crave nicotine I craved something else in the tobacco. This could quite possibly be it.
As such, what I'm going to do is test the passionflower extract for its ability to substitute for this missing element in tobacco during crisis points of anxiety and/or depression. "Fortunately" I go through one of these every two weeks or so, so we won't have to wait too long to get some results. Hopefully over a month I can play around with dosages to see if I can mimic this effect for me since it would be invaluable to other bipolar sufferers and schizophrenics trying vaping as an alternative to tobacco.
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