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[bcalvanese]

I am sick and tired of hearing about this FDA thing.

Everybody knew this was comming, and now every body's like... oh... can you believe this... OMG... the government is plotting against us... the government this... the government that... the FDA has no rite to do this... this country and government sucks... bla... bla... bla... bla... bla.

You know there are still places in the world where they can cut your hands off for steeling. There are still places in the world where they can come right into your home, rape and kill your wife and children while they make you watch, and then shoot you in the head. Maybe all you wheiners should go live in one of those places for a while, then you would appreciate having the priveledge of living in a country that actually tryes to take care of it's citizens. A place where if you have an emergency, you can call 911 and somebody will actually come and help you.

People tend to take these things for granted to the point where they do nothing but ..... and complain about everything and anything. God forbid something happened that made all the services that our government provides us go away. 90% of you would not survive it.

The FDA is doing their job. It is their responsability to insure that these things are safe, and if there is not enough scientific information to proove that these things are safe, they are going to insure that they are.

Is it going to be a tough road?

sure it is. But, it's going to be a tough road leading to safer products for the consumer (us). Many vendors are in a panic now because they now have to get their products approved, yet menay of them knew this was comming for years now.

Have they made preperations?

I guess we'll find out which ones have and which ones have not. And they still have a couple three years to prepare for this. I guess we'll find out who does, and who waits till the last minute and then starts complaining about it again in a panic.

There's TALKER'S and there's DOER'S, and if I were a vendor, I would have been as prepaired for this as I could be long ago.

I for one am glad this is happening, because it will weed out alot of the crap that is out there, but mainly because the things that are available will have to be made to a safer standard, and would gladly pay more money for them.

Also, I think this will trigger the science to catch up, and if these things are found to be safe, then it will be even better than it was before this happened.

And I gotta say that what pisses me off the most is hearing all the bad mouthing about our country. I served in the military for 6 years, and if you don't like this country... by all means... go live some where else and see how much better it is.

JMHO

 

[crxess]

Horse Crap!

I happen to love this country. That does not mean I have to like or sit back and accept dictation of how I should live my life.

 

[ykalon]

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[Recycled Roadkill]

Horse Crap!

To what? The OP's total rant?

Certainly not his military service!

A pretty general statement, I'd say.

 

[bcalvanese]

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Oh yes. Let the crusafiction begin.

 

[bcalvanese]

Horse Crap!

I happen to love this country. That does not mean I have to like or sit back and accept dictation of how I should live my life.

I see your horse crap, and raise you 2 bull craps...

 

[bcalvanese]

To what? The OP's total rant?

Certainly not his military service!

A pretty general statement, I'd say.

Probably both...

 

[Rocketpunk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30aN29-r400

 

[TheJakeBailey]

You know what I get sick of? I get sick of people telling me that if I don't like this, or I don't like that, then I don't love my country and should leave it. That, my friend, is VERY close to what they tell you in those countries you were speaking of earlier. It's the very heart of democracy and the American way of life to question those we have put into positions of power, and to make sure that they are doing the peoples will. What other countries are like has absolutely nothing to do with what I should or shouldn't do to improve my own. And I'm a card carrying, tree hugging liberal. And while i appreciate your service, along with my Fathers, and my Grandfathers, that also has nothing to do with appreciation for ones country.

Now, as it pertains to vaping. The PUBLIC is who we should be educating. If you quit smoking with an E-cig, you should be telling ever non smoker you now about that accomplishment, and every failure you had BEFORE finding these. Politicians don't give a hang about your health, they care about being elected. That's how politicians keep their jobs. Get the general public behind this and all the rest falls into place. as it stands now, i would say that Joe average considers us smokers.

And don't even get me started on the need for regulation to research. I would welcome in depth, long term, govt funded and sponsored research. This IN NO WAY hinges on regulating or not PRIOR to the research.

 

[WattWick]

The essence of strawman...

If the FDA was concerned about the safety of vaping... why does the burden of proof fall on the little guys/vendors? Wouldn't it be in the FDAs best interest to apply to your senate for millions, if not billions of dollars for research into what could very well solve one of the biggest health problems we have?

 

[meanckz]

You know what I get sick of? I get sick of people telling me that if I don't like this, or I don't like that, then I don't love my country and should leave it. That, my friend, is VERY close to what they tell you in those countries you were speaking of earlier. It's the very heart of democracy and the American way of life to question those we have put into positions of power, and to make sure that they are doing the peoples will. What other countries are like has absolutely nothing to do with what I should or shouldn't do to improve my own. And I'm a card carrying, tree hugging liberal. And while i appreciate your service, along with my Fathers, and my Grandfathers, that also has nothing to do with appreciation for ones country.

Now, as it pertains to vaping. The PUBLIC is who we should be educating. If you quit smoking with an E-cig, you should be telling ever non smoker you now about that accomplishment, and every failure you had BEFORE finding these. Politicians don't give a hang about your health, they care about being elected. That's how politicians keep their jobs. Get the general public behind this and all the rest falls into place. as it stands now, i would say that Joe average considers us smokers.

And don't even get me started on the need for regulation to research. I would welcome in depth, long term, govt funded and sponsored research. This IN NO WAY hinges on regulating or not PRIOR to the research.

plus one....couldn't have said it better!

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Horse Crap!

I happen to love this country. That does not mean I have to like or sit back and accept dictation of how I should live my life.

We may not always agree, but i always get a kick out of your candor.

 

[Wow1420]

Horse crap to the idea that the FDA has our health as their primary concern. They have shown time and time again that they are nothing but a rubber stamp for whatever crape big pharmacy wants to put out.

Deep pockets, not safety will determine which products make it through the "new product" approval process.

 

[Bigd432]

So just because other countries are worse off than us doesn't mean I can complain about anything? I just don't understand that logic. We're not all equal. If I don't like something I'm going to complain about it. If I feel that I'm not getting treated fairly I'm going to complain about it. What happens in other countries isn't my problem. They live the way they live. We don't have the right to tell them their way is right or wrong. We do have the right to decide how we want to live in our country.

This country was built on freedom and the belief that the government wasn't there to control every aspect of our lives. That's not the America we live in now. I have every right as an American to complain about it, and try my best to do something about it.

 

[Fitzie]

I worked for the federal government for 33 years, so I'm certainly not anti-government ... But, if you think everything's gonna be copacetic after the FDA begins regulating e-cigs, you should think again. This is just the first step in handing over the e-cig industry to BT. Money talks in DC ... I'm also an attorney and from what little I've been able to read of the proposed regs so far, CASAA's take on them is spot on. These regs are just the first salvo of a war on e-cigs as we now know them. I saw an interview of Mitch Zeller on public tv yesterday. When asked why the proposed regs don't address advertising and e-liquid flavors, his response was that once e-cigs were deemed tobacco products under the law, regulation on ads and flavors would be next.
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[Sarin]

I'm sure that Edward Snowden could give you some info on what your Government is plotting against you cos they sure as hell aren't going to tell you voluntarily are they. I'm not in the US but here in the UK we are in a similar situation. If e-cigs etc are moderated then it is for a reason and one reason only - TAX. Some people believe that as a human being you are responsible for your actions, this is how it was a while ago before the H&S police got involved and people could extradite themselves from any form of responsibility. Some people believe that governments are all about control. Sometimes if you are open to other views you can surprise yourself as to why you haven't noticed something before? I hear what you're saying but most of the time legislation is just meddling for the sole purpose of some sort of advantage for the leading power.

 

[beckdg]

give me liberty or give me death.

since i still have the liberty of free speech to a certain degree i can say that nearly the entirety of the O.P. is a wad of crockery. just a bad attitude...

i can also say that since you seem to side with the FDA over your fellow vapors, maybe you should do a little looking into the outcome of and the money trails that lead to these FDA regulations?

labels and ingredient lists and what not? OMGROFC... go ahead to the grocery mart and read the labels... and without looking up the poisons in your food you can't pronounce (or replicate in written words without staring and copying letter for letter), come back here and tell me the true meaning and dangers directly related to those ingredients.

the regulations are designed to protect the money well, not the end user AKA john Q. public.

 

[neutrontech]

Just because our country is better than some others doesn't mean we have to be content and accept the erosion of our rights. That's like saying I can kick you in the face because there are other people that would shoot you. Kicking you is a lot better than shooting you but it still sucks.

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[tj99959]

What I have questioned for the last three years is where has THE NATIONAL ACADEMY been hiding with all this going on? National Academy of Sciences

Like they have time to issue guidlines for making dog food, but can't do the same for e-cigs!!!!!!!!!
Our taxes funds this "US official scientific community" Why hasn't it been used?

 

[coalyard]

There are still places in the world where they can come right into your home, rape and kill your wife and children while they make you watch, and then shoot you in the head.

I think most of us are trying to avoid getting to such a point. However, to get to point "B", one must begin at point "A", IYKWIMAITTYD.

I think there is a quote from one of the Revolutionary Fathers that is appropriate here. *paws through Google bag* Ah yes, here it is...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams