Blu cartomizer and battery compat. questions

[TFraz]

My story:
21st Century experience terrible. Blu, much better, but battery and prefilled carts were expensive. Learned to refill 'em and it's working great. I am saving a bunch with my own juice. Using V2 Menthol 25mg.

Problem:
Blu batteries about 9 months old and don't last long AT ALL.

Also, refilled my Blu Carts about 4 times or so and I think they're not absorbing as well now.

Questions:
You recommended Joyetech 510 batteries.

Will they fit (match up with Blu carts, evenly)? 100's/xl same?

Is the mah/life much better than standard Blu auto batts?

Also, I like the short size, so I'm assuming cartomizers are the way to go with just a battery add-on?

What cartomizer (empties) should I buy for a 510 Joyetech auto battery using Blu/compatible cartomizers?

Lastly (thanks for your patience), would Blu's pcc/usb/wall chargers work safely on Joyetech 510 auto's? If not, recommendations? My funds are not unlimited.

P.S.
Not sure I'll stay with V2 juice, but I bought 50ml bottle. Love the nicotine/hit level, but I really am not locked-in (Blu Mag. menthol tastes great)

Thanks my friend,

Your advise will be highly appreciated,

 

[klynnn]

http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm I started with v2 and this is a much better setup.

 

[Topdogie01]

Blu uses 510 connection. so your blu cartos will fit on anything that has a 510 threading, and most ego (some dont have the 510 threading, but most do). the battery for Blu is reverse polarity (positive and negative are swapped) from the normal batteries so be aware of that and dont use different chargers for them or you could have battery failure.

 

[Rickajho]

Standard 510 cigalikes on Blu chargers? No! No! No! Blu, in a half fannied attempt to keep their stuff proprietary, has reverse polarity compared to Joyetech cigalike batteries. Absolutely not cross compatible.

It's been my understanding that Blue cartos are 510 threaded, so those will work/fit on any 510 threaded battery.

For now, are you stuck on the cigalike look? If so, and you want something with a PCC take a look on Cignot.com They are an authorized Joyetech dealer and have everything from the basic 2 battery 510 no box kit at $35.00 to the Joyetech eRoll which gives better performance. And in between will be the 510 XL tank setup kits and kits with PCC's.

Just to warn you though: Any cigalike is limited by the size of the battery. That whole issue of needing to constantly recharge batteries doesn't get any better with Joyetech cigalikes. Unless you are really REALLY hung up on the size issue it may be time to look at eGo class batteries instead. It's the only way you will ever get away from the perpetual charging issues associated with cigalike size batteries.

 

[Steam Turbine]

As mentionned above. Cig a likes (ecigs that have the size and shape of a cigarette) are very limited in terms of performance, autonomy and overall experience. They might satisfy your hand to mouth cravings (i.e. having something that feels like a cigarette in your hand) but cannot give you a fully satisfying vaping experience.

Bigger device like the eGo mentionned above will not only give you a better battery life but a more powerful vape as well. 25mg might become to high of a nic level for you if you switch to something better than a cig a like.


But if you absolutely want to use cigalikes, what was already suggested to you will be better than your blu kit.

 

[TFraz]

Wow! Just signed up in this community last night, and overwhelmed by all the helpful insights above. Thanks to all of you.

Been refilling Blu cartos a few times now. Not holding/absorbing well. Guess it's time to buy more Blu prefills, then refill them. But, wouldn't I be better to buy empty 510 compatible cartos that fit the 510 battery I choose? Would emptied absorb, vape, and taste better?

Lastly, if I go with Joyeyech 510 batteries, what recommendations for affordable empty cartos (510), and a good throat-hitting menthol juice?

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[Rickajho]

You have to keep in mind that all cartos are disposable items. How long they last can be affected by the quality of the carto, the liquid you use in them... But six days use is about average. The lifespan won't necessarily get much better buying them empty.

The other issue with cartos is there really isn't a practical way to clean them. Lot's of suggested methods, but that filler in there can never be completely cleaned of a previous flavor. In that respect empty cartos are the only way to avoid flavor transfer - simply by not putting one flavor on top of another.

A new carto always starts out great! But with use the heating coil in there gets crud on it. With use, more crud and the vapor and flavor production drops. It's the nature of the beast. Other devices - such as clearos - can be cleaned and even the coil can be rebuilt. A clearo eliminates the filler altogether so there is no concern about the filler absorbing liquid - or not. Just something to consider as you are trying devices.

For one of the better selections of empty cartos take a look at Crystal Clear vaping => Welcome to Crystal Clear Vaping - The vaper's choice is crystal clear CCV offers free shipping and good prices too. If you decide to buy though make sure the cartos you pick are 2.0 ohms or higher. Cigalike batteries can't handle low resistance cartos. (Or low resistance in any device.)

Menthol? Menthol is one of the easier liquids to get right so you have lot's of options. My favorite menthols are from The Vapor Room. Their Port Menthol is a great menthol flavor (not a fake menthol like mint) with a tobacco flavor in the background. It's strong.

Throat hit is affected by two things: nicotine level and the amount of PG in a liquid. Nicotine - you have to figure out what you need there. You can't increase nicotine just for the sake of throat hit if it becomes too much nic. You increase the amount of PG to get more throat hit and more flavor. But too much PG can cross the line for some people to just being too harsh. You increase the amount of VG instead to get more vapor and drop the throat hit, but high amounts of VG can dull flavors a bit.

When you are starting and unsure it's best to split the difference and try 50/50 PG/VG ratio liquids and then adjust that ratio on your next order. Better liquids places allow you to select the PG/VG ratio to suit your tastes.

I can't recall off hand what Blu is using but I think it's 100 VG liquids.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Great advice in prior posts.

I can't recall off hand what Blu is using but I think it's 100 VG liquids.

Yes, Blu's use 100% VG exclusively supplied by Johnson Creek (ref. johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com). Not sure which JC juice most closely matches their menthol mix for Blu.

 

[NicoHolic]

I bought a Joyetech 510 auto battery (3.3V) to make my wife a cigalike with a Boge LR 510 cartomizer (2.0Ω). It's pretty weak. A nice fella here PIFed me some Panda evolves (3.7V) and they're definitely better. Looks like Panda is blowing them out now. From what he's found and I see now, the more powerful cigalkes are the Vapor4Life KR808-D1 King Diamond or Titan, which work in the range of 4.2V to 3.7V.

 

[Rickajho]

I bought a Joyetech 510 auto battery (3.3V) to make my wife a cigalike with a Boge LR 510 cartomizer (2.0Ω). It's pretty weak. A nice fella here PIFed me some Panda evolves (3.7V) and they're definitely better. Looks like Panda is blowing them out now. From what he's found and I see now, the more powerful cigalkes are the Vapor4Life KR808-D1 King Diamond or Titan.

The caution there for the OP is the threading on the V4L stuff - it's 808 threaded. It's a lot more expensive because of it's much lower market saturation. It might be a great short term fix for someone looking for a cigalike type PV, but can get both frustrating and expensive when you see how much more 808 threaded stuff costs and what your limited options are.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Next logical progression is the eGo..don't break the bank though getting a "starter kit" that costs more than $20

Snag you one of these...a 5-10ml bottle of juice and have at it, I have won over 2 "smokers" with eGo sized batteries and they too were dead set on sticking with the cigalikes...they like these alot more

eGo 650mAh w/ CE4 Clearomizer Blister Pack Starter Kit - MyFreedomSmokes.com

If you are dead set on cigalikes...this deal just came across the wire for 510 cigalikes with PCC
http://gotsmok.com/vision-510-pcc-starter-kit-18-99/

 

[Rickajho]

Great advice in prior posts.

Yes, Blu's use 100% VG exclusively supplied by Johnson Creek (ref. johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com). Not sure which JC juice most closely matches their menthol mix for Blu.

Yeah - that's what I recalled without checking it. That would explain the OP's quest for more throat hit.

 

[devauto]

My story:
21st Century experience terrible. Blu, much better, but battery and prefilled carts were expensive. Learned to refill 'em and it's working great. I am saving a bunch with my own juice. Using V2 Menthol 25mg.

Problem:
Blu batteries about 9 months old and don't last long AT ALL.

Also, refilled my Blu Carts about 4 times or so and I think they're not absorbing as well now.

Questions:
You recommended Joyetech 510 batteries.

Will they fit (match up with Blu carts, evenly)? 100's/xl same?

Is the mah/life much better than standard Blu auto batts?

Also, I like the short size, so I'm assuming cartomizers are the way to go with just a battery add-on?

What cartomizer (empties) should I buy for a 510 Joyetech auto battery using Blu/compatible cartomizers?

Lastly (thanks for your patience), would Blu's pcc/usb/wall chargers work safely on Joyetech 510 auto's? If not, recommendations? My funds are not unlimited.

P.S.
Not sure I'll stay with V2 juice, but I bought 50ml bottle. Love the nicotine/hit level, but I really am not locked-in (Blu Mag. menthol tastes great)

Thanks my friend,

Your advise will be highly appreciated,

There is already a lot of good information here. I will say this though, if you like the Blu, and it is working for you, then replace it with another set of Blu batteries. There is a convenience factor with Blu, you can buy them most anywhere now (I have seen them in LOTS of drug stores). This will drastically reduce your frustration levels if you buy something different and it does not meet your expectations. Lots of people bad mouth Blu here, but the general rule is that what ever works for you is the right setup. Why fix something that isn't broke?

If, on the other hand, you are not happy with the Blu setup, the by all means look for something new. As many have already stated, you will never get the same performance from a cigalike that you will get from an eGo or other mod. However, if you get the performance you need from a cigalike, then upgraded performance doesn't matter. There have been many threads on cigalikes and which are better here on ECF, search the forums and you will get more information on the subject, and many different opinions.

A couple of final thoughts, IIRC Blu has a crazy long warranty on their batteries, have you tried contacting them about replacements? That may be the easiest solution to the new battery issue. Also, if you stay with a cigalike style device, make sure you buy one with a personal charging case, as your Blu PCC will NOT work with any other brand (that I am aware of). I had a friend that started with blue, and he put a different brand battery on the charger and ruined both of them. It would have been funny except that the PCC heated up in his pocket and started to melt. Thankfully it did not actually catch on fire.

I started with an 808 threaded cigalike and loved it until I looked for replacement cartos and accessories. The tend to be much more expensive than the 510 standard, and not as easy to find. That does not make them bad, in fact they performed exceptionally compared to the Blu my friend had. Ultimately I ended up throwing away a lot of money in them when I finally made the switch to the 510 standard. I put it off as long as I could, using adapters, but that was a real hassle, things did not always work right, and I had to take it all apart to charge it. The bottom line is this, be sure you know what you are buying so that you don't lose a lot of money in the end. There are a lot of different standards out there, and some of the shops still sell bits for stuff that is no longer in favor AND incompatible with each other (4801, 901, and 4 different versions of 808, just to name a few).

Personally, I would recommend you at least consider the option of upgrading to something like an eGo or EVOD starter kit, do a little research, ask more questions here, and then make an informed decision on what looks like it would be best for you.

As always, YMMV!

HTH

P.S. I missed the part that you like the short size. If that is the case, then I would recommend looking at the Joyetech eRoll. It has a large following of folks that absolutely love it (and a large group that don't). It does have it's limitations though, as well as some advantages.

Lets start with the advantages. If you use it as it is meant to be used, then it will very likely serve you well. It is a small battery, with ONLY a 90mAh battery, but it is not meant to be an all day vaping device. It is meant to be used as you would smoke a cigarette. Essentially, keep it in the case until you want to vape, pull it out and the 90mAh battery is good for *roughly* the life of a standard cigarette (more or less), put it back in the case to recharge when done. The kit comes with 2 batteries so that you can vape one and charge one at the same time, and I think the case keeps both of them charged. It is a tank system so you can use any liquid you want in it.

Now the disadvantages. It is proprietary. It is a 3 piece design, tank, atomizer, battery. The tanks are small and don't hold much liquid for all day vaping (not what the product was designed for). You will have to buy atomizers and tanks specifically for the eRoll and I have heard they are expensive compared to the normal 510 standard stuff. It doesn't have a long battery life (by design), so that is what the PCC is for.

 

[Sloopoke]

I started with Blu, (have 4 of their $32. kits). Johnson Creek makes all of the Blu juices and it is 100% VG. I was able to get up "real cigs" with Blu's Vanilla flavor. Johnson Creek does not offer anything close to what they supply for the Blu in Vanilla, if they did I'd won it in a sec.

I use the Blu empty carts to try different juices out and I might add it takes some refills to get a close taste of what the sample juice is all about. I just got tired of charging all 8 Blu batteries all the time compared to using Volt (Smokless Image) 78mm Auto's, or Halo 78mm Auto's slim batteries and using blank carto's to fill from both.

I have also steped up to 2 650 batteries from both sources and the carto's also fit them. I use the Clearo Tanks a bit, but the coils only last a couple of days and your liquid get both off colored and off tasting until you dump it out, wash it, move a wick or 2, or just replace the coil.

The blank carto's last several weeks without a problem as long as you keep using the same ones and keep them wet. You are doing a lot of dripping filling the carto's, but you have to keep a tank full to get the most life out of the wicks and coil also.

I am by far not fully versed in vaping, but I did give up cigs 3 months ago after 40++ years so this works for me. Hardest part is trying to find an all day vape or 2, ok 3 or so!

-Vape on

 

[TFraz]

Thanks to all of you. Such helpful info/insights. I decided to step up (just a bit). Bought 2 manual Joyetech 510s, 2 vision nano clearomizers, pcc kit, usb charger, and small 10ml needle tip bottle for refills. Should arrive tomorrow. I think the batteries will be more my style and some better strength/control. Also, the small 1ml tank-style clearo will likely prove less a hassle. Advantage also: I can still use Blu batteries (on the batteries, I believe, just not the standard 510 charging electronics).

With only slight increase in size, easier/quicker refills (less often), better/more-controlled battery life, cartos and clearos interchangability...I hope, and believe, will prove a good combination. Time will tell.

Only thing left right now is a better menthol juice. Liked Blu Mag Menthol, but can't buy the juice alone. Using V2 menthol till 30ml or so is out. But not as fond of it as at first. Still though only a analog and a half in the last four days or so (growing to not like their taste as much...wow)

Thanks all. Let me know your opinions on my soon-to-be set-up. Hoping I'll get it tomorrow. Also, hope to find a great menthol juice.

Thanks again,

Tfraz

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[Rickajho]

Go get a bunch of menthols from The Vapor Room. Here's how to work the deal there:

Through Saturday their 5 bottle 6 ml sampler is on sale at 15% off. It's usually 20.00 but the sale brings it down to 17.00. You get to pick any flavors from the lineup - these aren't pre-selected flavors.

A first time customer gets a free 15 ml bottle of your choice too. You put the info for what you want in the comments box when you checkout.

Every order gets a free 3 ml sample. You can even put in flavor requests for that too in the comments box. Being a freebie you don't always get your flavor choice, but you always get something.

Shipping is only $4.00

Use code THANKYOU when checking out to get 10% off your order.

That will get you 48 ml's of liquid, covering 7 different flavors, for only $19.30 - including shipping.

The two I do know are the Port Menthol - which I already described. And I've tried their 555 menthol - which is more like a very strong, straight menthol flavor.

 

[TFraz]

Got 2 new Joyetech Manual 510 Batts. I know not to use the Blu charging equipment; however, I hooked up my Joyetech 510 battery to the "generic (non blu-labeled) power block that came in the Blu original starter kit. All seemed okay that way: only using the usb/wall power block portion and NOT the Blu adapter that plugs into it (or putting a Joyetech 510 in the Blu charger and adapter) Am I then correct that the reverse polarity Blu issue only concerns their Blu-labeled charging pcc and the adapter itself that plugs into the non-Blu labeled/generic power block? If I were to have a shortage I believe it would have occured immediately.

Lastly, my brand new Joyetech battery (fresh out of case) had faulty threads: screwed on crooked and, with no over pressure, stripped past my new Vision Nano Clearomizer. The other battery screwed/threaded on clean and smooth, so bad battery thread--not clearomizer. Anyone else had this issue?

Thankful!!! My Joyetech Manual 510 paired with the Vision Nano Clearomizer is perfect cigalike (but with much better power, lasting battery, and vaper than the Blu Cartimizer set up). Bye bye analogs.

Shout out and praises to Shawn at www.zeecigs.com. Fair prices, fast shipping (3 days start to finish), and personally returning your phone call and answering any/all questions.

BTW, love this forum experience. All of you have been so helpful. Blessings.

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[JohnDaddyo]

I don't think this was asked?
I have a couple itaste vv and an eVic. Are blu carts compatible? I know they fit and actually, I've beenable to use them with my mods but, today all of a sudden they're not working???
When I first got my eVic I got the "adomizer not found" message then I tried again a few days later and boom, they worked.
Today no. Is their a certain voltage I need to set them to?
I'm desperate because I got my daughter an itaste VV for Christmas and was going to give her a bunch of blu carts til she got juice but...
damn!

 

[NicoHolic]

The answer is yes, the Blu carts are compatible. Make sure they are screwed on well and the 510 connector on the mods is clean and dry.