Boge Revolution V2.1 Review/Discussion
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Great info, Rysup! Good to see it laid out, graphically. I had a 1.8 ohm atty that seemed to work sporadically. I finally figured out that it was tripping the protection circuit.
Another note on these. If you fill the bottle up more than 50%, and lay it on it's side, it will leak. It is not a defect, it's just physics! Keep it pointed up, or keep it at 50%. I continue to be very happy with this. LR Boge cartos, @ USD $1.33 each from CCV make it a package that performs well.
If it won't fire it probably means the bottom is not making contact.
Use a small tool to pull the little stem in the bottom of the carto/atty out so it can make contact. Most of them can be adjusted like this.
An interesting fix...
Grab the straw out of an old windex bottle (or use some other tubing you like).
Cut it so it is just the right length to touch the bottom of your bottle when fitted up inside the cap/nib.
Snip the end that touches the bottom of the bottle at a slight angle.
Wrap the top of the straw with something liquid proof to form a seal the right size to plug up inside your bottle....I use teflon plumbers tape.
Now it won't leak on you, and you no longer have to tip the bottle upside down to feed atomizers. With cartos, you'll probably still want to flip it.
It does a take a little practice to learn to how to feed it with a tube added...and with some atties once you get it going it will 'feed itself' for the most part once primed.
Lately I've been using mine with LR 801 atties via 510>801 adapter. Works great
This big fat atty also loosens up the draw quite a lot. If you don't want to mess with an adapter, ya might give the Ikenvape Cannon a try.
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I've had one of these for a few weeks. Before that I was using a homemade bottom feeder. It works about the same but, it does have more juice capacity than my (3ml) homemade. I use it with straight standard 510 atomizers. I know it's a matter of opinion and I'm in the minority but, I never thought that a bottom feeder added much to just occasionally dripping cartomizers. I think my model's a 2.0.
The Good:
For a bottom feeder, it's resonably priced.
It works well.
Battery life is pretty good.
Seems to charge fast.
It does what it's supposed to.
The fire button is in a good spot.
Never had it leak.
The Bad
I saw a pic where someone modded one of these to take a 18350 but, without modding, the batteries are not replaceable.
If you squeeze the bottle to hard, it pops open. Easy to snap back together though.
When filling, getting the bottle back in can be problematic. If you try to force it, you'll bend the needle.
I do sometimes get some juice coming out around the bottom of the atty.
It's a matter of opinion but, I think the ion generator is a really strange thing to put on there.
For the money, it's a decent device. I'd think a lot more of it, if the batteries were replaceable. Good starter device for a bottom feeder. I think long haul, you'll wind up going to something like a Reo, if bottom feeders are for you. My Reo mini is on the way.
The Good:
For a bottom feeder, it's resonably priced.
It works well.
Battery life is pretty good.
Seems to charge fast.
It does what it's supposed to.
The fire button is in a good spot.
Never had it leak.
The Bad
I saw a pic where someone modded one of these to take a 18350 but, without modding, the batteries are not replaceable.
If you squeeze the bottle to hard, it pops open. Easy to snap back together though.
When filling, getting the bottle back in can be problematic. If you try to force it, you'll bend the needle.
I do sometimes get some juice coming out around the bottom of the atty.
It's a matter of opinion but, I think the ion generator is a really strange thing to put on there.
For the money, it's a decent device. I'd think a lot more of it, if the batteries were replaceable. Good starter device for a bottom feeder. I think long haul, you'll wind up going to something like a Reo, if bottom feeders are for you. My Reo mini is on the way.
On my comment about leaking if it's over 50% full, I meant it could just run out the needle. If the level is above the needle, it would try to run out. Thicker juice may not, but if it were water, it sure would.
Credo, teflon tape is good for jury-rigging lots of things, isn't it? I saw the Windex tube variation mentioned in a video, but I decided not to. It may be nice to be able to squonk without having to do the tilt-and-shoot, but that doesn't bother me. It looks like if you way over-pumped, it's nice to give the bottle an extra small squeeze or two after upright, to slurp up the excess. With the added tube, it would just pump up more juice, instead of slurping out excess. This is a non-problem once you learn how much to squeeze, and would be more of an issue with an atty (which can't hold as much itself as a carto).
MickeyRat, the (bogus?) ion generator was removed in Rev 2.1 (although it and the box are still labelled V2) and a second battery was put in. It is paralleled with the first one making it approx a 1400 Mah box now. This easily makes it an all-day device for me, and it keeps the convenience of being able to use it while charging. I know that swapping batts and atty/cartos for differing watts is desirable to try different temp ranges, but I have been happy with Boge 2 ohm cartos. I used a LR atty at first, but it aged a bit, and it started tripping the protection circuit. Mine came with 3 ohm cartos, which were way too cool for me on this device. I completely fill the carto first, I don't depend on squonking to get the carto all wet enough, it would be too easy to burn it at the start for me.
Look inside while it's open, the second battery is right under the lights. You might have a 2.1
This is a backup for Darwin (variable wattage), so the stock batts with 2 ohm cartos make it good for what I want it for.
I had heard about several popping the case open while squonking, so I have never squeezed the bottle till my finger touched the cutout. For a carto I tilt, squeeze for a slow 3 or 4 count, slurp it upright a few times to suck excess back down, dry-hit the drip tip once to clear the airway, and vape on.
Agreed, it is a good thing for the price. I am getting another one to give to a friend who wants to start vaping. I talked to him about (and demonstrated) the various devices, he doesn't require a mini, he doesn't want to carry a knapsack full of stuff, and he wants lots of juice and long battery life. For USD $50, I think it will be better for him than an eGo kit.
Credo, teflon tape is good for jury-rigging lots of things, isn't it? I saw the Windex tube variation mentioned in a video, but I decided not to. It may be nice to be able to squonk without having to do the tilt-and-shoot, but that doesn't bother me. It looks like if you way over-pumped, it's nice to give the bottle an extra small squeeze or two after upright, to slurp up the excess. With the added tube, it would just pump up more juice, instead of slurping out excess. This is a non-problem once you learn how much to squeeze, and would be more of an issue with an atty (which can't hold as much itself as a carto).
MickeyRat, the (bogus?) ion generator was removed in Rev 2.1 (although it and the box are still labelled V2) and a second battery was put in. It is paralleled with the first one making it approx a 1400 Mah box now. This easily makes it an all-day device for me, and it keeps the convenience of being able to use it while charging. I know that swapping batts and atty/cartos for differing watts is desirable to try different temp ranges, but I have been happy with Boge 2 ohm cartos. I used a LR atty at first, but it aged a bit, and it started tripping the protection circuit. Mine came with 3 ohm cartos, which were way too cool for me on this device. I completely fill the carto first, I don't depend on squonking to get the carto all wet enough, it would be too easy to burn it at the start for me.
Look inside while it's open, the second battery is right under the lights. You might have a 2.1
This is a backup for Darwin (variable wattage), so the stock batts with 2 ohm cartos make it good for what I want it for.
I had heard about several popping the case open while squonking, so I have never squeezed the bottle till my finger touched the cutout. For a carto I tilt, squeeze for a slow 3 or 4 count, slurp it upright a few times to suck excess back down, dry-hit the drip tip once to clear the airway, and vape on.
Agreed, it is a good thing for the price. I am getting another one to give to a friend who wants to start vaping. I talked to him about (and demonstrated) the various devices, he doesn't require a mini, he doesn't want to carry a knapsack full of stuff, and he wants lots of juice and long battery life. For USD $50, I think it will be better for him than an eGo kit.
I have the V2.1 and the aion is still there, it does have the 2 batteries as well. I checked into various vendors who were selling the V2.1 to see if the aion was still there. There is a newer version of the V2.1 (or whatever they'll be calling it 2.2, 3??) coming out soon which won't have the aion.
The reason I ordered my V2.1 is because of the cost and so I can keep it in our RV when we go camping. Heck, if I ever get lost at night I can use the aion (alien) lights to get found LOL.
The lights are still there but the negative ion circuitry is gone. That's where the 2nd battery is.
Fenix-T, I don't think it's been asked, but it is probably straight DC. I know you cannot accurately measure PWM on a regular old DC voltmeter, so I tried after your post. Mine had a fresh charge this afternoon, it chain-vaped about 2 ml in 5 hours on a 2 ohm Boge carto (shared by two people). I squonked it a lot, to avoid burning the carto. Three hours later, it is still tasting good.
It now shows a fairly consistent 3.8 to 3.9 vdc unloaded. I know that it doesn't mean much without a load, etc etc, but that is about what a freshly charged 3.7-ish battery shows with no load. I know a PWM battery will not show anything near correct. I have an old Tek 465 scope, but need to cobble up proper connectors.
it has some minimal smarts of some sort, just to handle the charging and "sort-of" USB passthru.
Just because I am curious like that, I also sniffed the USB connection for the possibility of data being passed, using Wireshark. No data sent, after capturing for 10 minutes. I know that with smarter and smarter devices, someday, someone is going to have some firmware that could be updated via USB! I intend to notice, just because I am curious, like that.
The Rev 2.x seems to be only using the mini-USB for charging.
With 1400 Mah available, I initially considered some buck/boost mods. The carto holder would be a nice spot for a push/push button to swap things around.... After relieving two of the air slots, and getting to know it with a 2 ohm carto, I am more than happy with it as it is.
It now shows a fairly consistent 3.8 to 3.9 vdc unloaded. I know that it doesn't mean much without a load, etc etc, but that is about what a freshly charged 3.7-ish battery shows with no load. I know a PWM battery will not show anything near correct. I have an old Tek 465 scope, but need to cobble up proper connectors.
it has some minimal smarts of some sort, just to handle the charging and "sort-of" USB passthru.
Just because I am curious like that, I also sniffed the USB connection for the possibility of data being passed, using Wireshark. No data sent, after capturing for 10 minutes. I know that with smarter and smarter devices, someday, someone is going to have some firmware that could be updated via USB! I intend to notice, just because I am curious, like that.
The Rev 2.x seems to be only using the mini-USB for charging.
With 1400 Mah available, I initially considered some buck/boost mods. The carto holder would be a nice spot for a push/push button to swap things around.... After relieving two of the air slots, and getting to know it with a 2 ohm carto, I am more than happy with it as it is.
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I was wondering cause I'm a believer in pwm. For some reason, my atties last longer between cleanings, and last longer overall. Also because of the consistent performance that might be due to the atty running cooler with pwm. All that's compared to using regular dc, and just my opinion of the two. If it uses pwm, I might have to try one out. For 50 bucks, it ain't a bad deal.
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I wonder if these might not work a little better with cartomizers if the needle on the bottle wasn't a bit longer? Wouldn't it be better to have the needle clearly visible when stuck through the atomiser threads and actually able to be sit right up in the cartomizer? Is there a reason this wouldn't work?
Right now it's a bit hit and miss for me this device. I like it's simplicity, the cost and all that, but just using the standard boge cartomizers that came with it and even the same juice they came pre filled with (janty RY4) it's overly prone to leaking... And unless you squeeze the heck out of it, it's never gonna fill a near dry cartomizer up... I find I need to give it a good few squeezes and then remove the bottle and drip it down the sides like I would filling any other cartomizer. Thing is, if I'm gonna do all that, i could just as easily carry a bottle of juice and a cartomizer or two and vape on my e-power 18650 which is a far better performing device then this will ever be.
The boge rev, a device I want to love far more then I do. It's a mere novety for me right now, it sits mostly unloved on my vaping shelf. I've took it out with me once and only once, that was enough to see it had leaked all over itself and my pocket.
Right now it's a bit hit and miss for me this device. I like it's simplicity, the cost and all that, but just using the standard boge cartomizers that came with it and even the same juice they came pre filled with (janty RY4) it's overly prone to leaking... And unless you squeeze the heck out of it, it's never gonna fill a near dry cartomizer up... I find I need to give it a good few squeezes and then remove the bottle and drip it down the sides like I would filling any other cartomizer. Thing is, if I'm gonna do all that, i could just as easily carry a bottle of juice and a cartomizer or two and vape on my e-power 18650 which is a far better performing device then this will ever be.
The boge rev, a device I want to love far more then I do. It's a mere novety for me right now, it sits mostly unloved on my vaping shelf. I've took it out with me once and only once, that was enough to see it had leaked all over itself and my pocket.
The needle in mine sticks up through the hole a bit, and I have heard that the needle can be slid up/down in the bottle a bit (though I have not tried it). With a carto, it looks like the juice will have to run through the air tube, and only then will it touch the filler, hence the tilt-and-shoot fill method. You may need to keep it tilted a bit longer, remembering that it has to run down the air tube as well.
I fried enough cartos when I was learning them, that I wouldn't try to use the bottle squonking to initially start a dry carto. With a new carto, I one-time fill it completely as normal, then only use the bottle to keep it topped up. My current carto has been on there over a week, but I only use this on nights and weekends as a backup, but I use it regularly. If it's good and wet initially, I have never had a problem with it drying out, as long as I keep squonking. I know the instructions say something to the effect of just squeeze it a few times, then vape away. That might be good for an atty, but not a carto.
There seem to be several variations on what is included with this. Some say they have gotten atomizers, several report high-resistance cartos (that's what I got), and you got pre-filled cartos.
I am puzzled how you got big leaking? I have never had a sign of a leak, where is it coming from? Mine came with Boge cartos that I later measured at about 3 ohms. I was completely unhappy with those, only got tiny wisps of vapor. I was initially regretting the whole thing. After I tried a LR atty, and now 2 ohm Boge cartos make this a good device for me. YMMV.
I fried enough cartos when I was learning them, that I wouldn't try to use the bottle squonking to initially start a dry carto. With a new carto, I one-time fill it completely as normal, then only use the bottle to keep it topped up. My current carto has been on there over a week, but I only use this on nights and weekends as a backup, but I use it regularly. If it's good and wet initially, I have never had a problem with it drying out, as long as I keep squonking. I know the instructions say something to the effect of just squeeze it a few times, then vape away. That might be good for an atty, but not a carto.
There seem to be several variations on what is included with this. Some say they have gotten atomizers, several report high-resistance cartos (that's what I got), and you got pre-filled cartos.
I am puzzled how you got big leaking? I have never had a sign of a leak, where is it coming from? Mine came with Boge cartos that I later measured at about 3 ohms. I was completely unhappy with those, only got tiny wisps of vapor. I was initially regretting the whole thing. After I tried a LR atty, and now 2 ohm Boge cartos make this a good device for me. YMMV.
Mine leaked when the supplied bottle developed a crack around the top lip from getting squeezed...
Mine also came with 3ohm cartos (which are useless for this device, need at least 4-5v)
You should only have to do the initial fill dripping down the sides on a carto... I've had a dual coil going since Saturday which has been refilled multiple times squonking from the 10ml bottle, probably got about 4ml left. This carto has never left the Revo besides the initial fill... Takes a lot longer than what the manual says and even longer when the bottle starts getting empty.
I'd recommend using a clear carto so you can gauge just how bloody long it takes!
Mine also came with 3ohm cartos (which are useless for this device, need at least 4-5v)
You should only have to do the initial fill dripping down the sides on a carto... I've had a dual coil going since Saturday which has been refilled multiple times squonking from the 10ml bottle, probably got about 4ml left. This carto has never left the Revo besides the initial fill... Takes a lot longer than what the manual says and even longer when the bottle starts getting empty.
I'd recommend using a clear carto so you can gauge just how bloody long it takes!
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All good advice guys. I'll look into some clear cartomizers as that would be a better indicator that all that squeezing is actually doing much. I tend to just lift the cartomizer cap off, squeeze and hold it upside down and check it now and then for signs of a wet filler.
Regarding the leak, the bottle and plastic needle cap look at least as far as I can tell to be intact, I think the leaking might have been liquid pooling on the atomiser threads and through the air vents. I really don't know, the first time it leaked, in public, it had juice allover itself... Mostly around the bottle side of the device and around the switch area too. It's kinda strange how you don't have to turn the threads when inserting a cartomizer on these rev devices, it's more of a pop on and single turn and it on. All other 510 threaded devices require. Slot more screwing in then these.. Makes me wonder just how 'on the device they are'. Having said that I've not have one 'pop off unexpectedly' yet.
Regarding the leak, the bottle and plastic needle cap look at least as far as I can tell to be intact, I think the leaking might have been liquid pooling on the atomiser threads and through the air vents. I really don't know, the first time it leaked, in public, it had juice allover itself... Mostly around the bottle side of the device and around the switch area too. It's kinda strange how you don't have to turn the threads when inserting a cartomizer on these rev devices, it's more of a pop on and single turn and it on. All other 510 threaded devices require. Slot more screwing in then these.. Makes me wonder just how 'on the device they are'. Having said that I've not have one 'pop off unexpectedly' yet.
Sounds very simliar to when mine leaked...
I'd check around the upper lip of the bottle just below the threaded part. I can't even see the crack on mine unless I bend it out a little bit. Sorry don't have a camera (or the bottle anymore lol)
I'd check around the upper lip of the bottle just below the threaded part. I can't even see the crack on mine unless I bend it out a little bit. Sorry don't have a camera (or the bottle anymore lol)
Mine leaked a few times too...I believe it was from over filling the 306 atty that i have. I put a clear drip tip on so I can now see when the liquid has soaked down/up to the bridge. Sometimes if you fill too much, you'll get excess liquid coming from the needle coming back down on the outside and onto the top of the bottle. Anyone remember the phidious trick? Well you take a napkin, and fold it a few times, making it the size of 2 tictacs, push the needle through and lower the napkin down to the base of the bottle. Check it every few hours and that will tell you if any extra liquid is coming down from the outside. That's what i'm doing now and it seems to be ok (dry napkin) which tells me that my filling routine is getting better.
For an all day vape, it's still one of the cheapest and best units IMO. If i'm travelling to manhattan from jersey and have to take a few trains and buses and cabs, I don't have to worry about a 6 inch long device in my pants breaking, i don't have to bring juice or batteries, i can just put this in my pocket which is the same size as analogs in the pocket and carry it around all day. that's what i love about these the best, but then again. It's no different than the Reo/Phidious, and all the other bottom feeders when it comes to convenience
FYI, just checked now. there is a crack in the needle assembly on the white portion that attaches to bottle...come on, i can't catch a break.
For an all day vape, it's still one of the cheapest and best units IMO. If i'm travelling to manhattan from jersey and have to take a few trains and buses and cabs, I don't have to worry about a 6 inch long device in my pants breaking, i don't have to bring juice or batteries, i can just put this in my pocket which is the same size as analogs in the pocket and carry it around all day. that's what i love about these the best, but then again. It's no different than the Reo/Phidious, and all the other bottom feeders when it comes to convenience
FYI, just checked now. there is a crack in the needle assembly on the white portion that attaches to bottle...come on, i can't catch a break.
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Time to get the Teflon tape out... Several report bottle/needle cracks, that just make me more fastidious to gently insert and rotate the bottle, to be sure and catch the little inverted funnel that is there to guide the needle in.
I hadn't heard of the napkin trick, you leave a piece trailing down beside the bottle, so you can see it through the hole in the box? Mine is a pretty snug fit. I have a piece of Scotch tape on the side for a tail to remove the bottle, and it is such a close fit that it leaves little scratch marks on the tape. I wish these were a more standard bottle that fit these.
Also the carto holder is just very slightly too small to hold a carto with condoms on it. Pity, that would be very nice to carry a filled one. It looks like there is room for it.... but if I were trying to free-hand Dremel it out, it would be a lumpy, bumpy mess. But at least it would be on the inside...
I hadn't heard of the napkin trick, you leave a piece trailing down beside the bottle, so you can see it through the hole in the box? Mine is a pretty snug fit. I have a piece of Scotch tape on the side for a tail to remove the bottle, and it is such a close fit that it leaves little scratch marks on the tape. I wish these were a more standard bottle that fit these.
Also the carto holder is just very slightly too small to hold a carto with condoms on it. Pity, that would be very nice to carry a filled one. It looks like there is room for it.... but if I were trying to free-hand Dremel it out, it would be a lumpy, bumpy mess. But at least it would be on the inside...
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