Brand new - making first diy order . Heeeeelp :) :)

[flexsr]

What would be a shopping list : i wanna make some 100ml batches as i go thru 15ml a day

Pg and vg as i want to make a mixture -50/50 should be fine

Flavoring - how much to order ? How do i know how concentrated it is ?

Nicotine concentrate - is this based in pg or vg also? And is a certain concentration better than another

Sweeter ?

Anything im missing - i guess ill do the calculations when i get the goodies or must i do them now ?

What makes a good vendor ? The quality of their flavoring? Pg and vg is basically stock right no matter where ya go ?

Im sure this question been asked a thousand times - its just alot of posts get side-tracked sometimes.

No yelling at the newbie.

Help? Preeeeeetttttttty pleeeeeaaase with sugar on top

 

[Hoosier]

What would be a shopping list : i wanna make some 100ml batches as i go thru 15ml a day

I'd recommend a new mixer start smaller than 100ml batches. If you make a juice that reminds you of month old sweaty gym socks with tones of cat litter box, instead of what you were intending to make, pouring 100ml down the drain can feel painful. (It isn't really painful, but I think I hear my wallet crying in pain.)

Pg and vg as i want to make a mixture -50/50 should be fine

Yep, PG and VG are both good to have on hand. Remember your flavorings count for the ratio and so does your nicotine solution. (Most flavoring is PG based.)

Flavoring - how much to order ? How do i know how concentrated it is ?

Well you can read threads on the subject. There's one in the sticky's and a few down here in the normal chatter. Just keep in mind what works for one, does not work for all. So the best you'll get is a general idea of how concentrated it is.

Nicotine concentrate - is this based in pg or vg also? And is a certain concentration better than another

Yep, it's a deadly thing if it wasn't diluted in PG or VG. Concentration, I'd suggest going at least higher than twice the level you'd wish to vape. (Not just twice as high, but bit higher than that.) Read the sticky's and be safe. Even though you are probably resistant to nicotine, it is still quite toxic if you get enough in your system.

Sweeter ?

Yes, please.

Anything im missing - i guess ill do the calculations when i get the goodies or must i do them now ?

What makes a good vendor ? The quality of their flavoring? Pg and vg is basically stock right no matter where ya go ?

Im sure this question been asked a thousand times - its just alot of posts get side-tracked sometimes.

I'm sure you're missing a bunch. Dannyv45 has some nice blogs that cover many aspects of starting DIY. E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs and I have some blogs on Flavoring Levels, Butterfly Farts and Unicorn Tears for making a good juice great, and some other subject on mixing. I'm sure I knew what I was typing when I typed it.

Playing with a calculator is always a good thing, so start now and make some pretend mixes now and then you can ask specific questions. (One common example is, "Why do I get a negative number in this field?")

I think a good vendor is one that has what I want in stock when I want it and ships in a reasonable amount of time and all that for a fair price. Since taste is subjective, the "quality" of flavorings tends to be subjective.

USP PG is pretty much USP PG. I have noticed a difference between USP VG's compared to other USP VG's though and have formed my own opinions of what I like and look for.

No yelling at the newbie.

I cannot promise that. I'm good at yelling. Just ask my sons or my dog or even my wife's cat. Grandmother always told me to find something you're good at and do it. So I discovered I was good at yelling. So good that sometimes I can yell without making a sound and people cower. I think I was born with that talent. It would be a shame to hide it from you too.

Help? Preeeeeetttttttty pleeeeeaaase with sugar on top

I already have the sweetener, so no sugar on top if you please.

 

[ToweKnee]

Think Hoosier got ya covered! Remember mixes always turn out better with your pants off. Oopps did I just give away a secret?

 

[flexsr]

Awesome thank you !!!

I have to read up on the flavoring piece - that the only part i missing/dont understand - will each vendor have different concentrations of their flavoring - will 30 ml of apple at one vendor be about the same as from another - i tend to think not right? Do the diy places list how concentrated their flavor is ?

Everything else is great ! Thx so much - i know i asked with out doing as much research as i usually do before i post a question but sometimes - forgive me as the panic attacks set in below 60ml of juice n i need to order :!)

Like this one vendor has 30ml of flavoring available - i have no idea how much finished product that would produce - assuming depends on alot of other things that i add like the pg,vg, nic - hmmm study time - damn it -

Many thanks

Im crazy with the nicotine as usually get 36 mg/ml and had 100mg nic solution that i would always just add 1/3 part of that in and vape ! Nicotine poisoning is serious. Been vaping five years so might be immune like a honey badger then again i might end up in Er trying to explain to the nurses n doctors what happened as they all chuckle silently out of site

 

[Hoosier]

Many things are better without pants, I don't think that a secret...

Will X's apple be like Y's apple, no. Different flavor & different strength. Many times the different apples from the same producer will be different strengths.

One of the reasons I recommend Capella's to new mixers is because most of their flavorings are pretty close to the same strength. That and they seldom hit level 7 on my Flavoring Level blog.

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[flexsr]

No oants a peivate joke or picking on little ol me


If know what your doing, not me. Eventually ya think you can get cost per 100 ml in the 10-15 dollar range ? If not what range will that amount of final product probably cost if one knows how to do it correctly

 

[flexsr]

I was a big nhaler fan until i saw them charging 43 bucks for like 30ml it may be 45 ml but i think its 30ml. Brick and mortars charge thru the roof. You have to. But for online juice thats robbery

Azure vaping was hooking it up at premade for 16 bucks for 120ml !!! Ow though they changed things to higher prices for premade and a Diy line - i shall try their diy line or the plCe you recommended.

 

[Fizzpop]

You will need some glassware. Get a few graduated cylinders: a 50ml, and 100ml is a good start. You will also want to get a variety of syringes to measure things. Keep in mind for small test batches you will have to be able to measure 0.05ml or less. I use syringes exclusively when mixing small amounts, but the graduated cylinders come in handy when you want to mix 30ml or 60ml of a recipe (although you will still need to syringe to measure your flavorings.) I also find a 250ml beaker to be useful when re-bottling your nic base into smaller glass bottles. Don't, however, over-do it. When I started I bought some Erlenmeyer flasks and some volumetric flasks I really don't use. That being said, the glassware isn't all that expensive, so if you end up ordering something you end up not using, it is no huge loss.

I also recommend a nicotine test kit. I always like to test my nicotine base. It has never been wrong, but mistakes happen and you don't want to find out the hard way the nicotine base you thought was 36mg was 100mg.

Speaking of the strength of your nicotine base. Start with a low strength. 100mg nicotine base is dangerous, I'd recommend starting at 36mg and moving up once you know you can mix without getting any on yourself. Also, gloves and eye-protection (a face shield isn't a bad idea) is a must; even at low strengths, you want to be safe and develop good habits.

 

[Hoosier]

The pants bit is because in my avatar I'm not wearing pants, just green tights. Some folks find that a bit amusing. Folks like me...

You're not asking me about costs and knowing what I'm doing. I play around with mixing. I'm always buying new stuff to try. Experimenting. Learning. I don't know it all, nor do I track my costs. Mixing has nothing to do with cost for me. It's all about the perfect flavor, which is priceless.

If it's all about cheap, I'm the wrong guy to listen to.

Just like if it's about modesty, I'm the wrong guy. I'll put on tights and dance across the stage just to hear a laugh.

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[ToweKnee]

Capellas is a great line of flavors to start your mixing journey. It is very forgiving and you can make some really good juice with them. TPA and some others have a steep learning curve and isnt nearly as forgiving. Now saving money? I am not the person to talk about that either. When i shop for flavors I have the "Ineedthat" bug and usually grab new stuff to play with and try. Its an awesome hobby and you get to vape juice you control. Remember the rule of KISS and better learn some patience. Removing the pants helps me with this and I curl my toes on carpeting sometimes while listening to wicked death metal like Napalm Death. Wuuuusssaaaa!

 

[ccv1]

Once you get everything and are ready to start mixing. One of the best pieces of information anyone ever gave me was.... Start out mixing very simple recipes. Mix single flavors so you get to know your flavors and what might go well together. Mix up a batch of no flavor base so that you know what that tastes like, personally I keep some available because I like to vape it at times. Once you have single flavors down then try some mixes. Also start mixing with lower percentages of flavor. It's easier to add a few drops of flavor to a mix than figure the math to try to dilute the flavor while keeping the same Nic level.

One thing I've been doing to play around with flavors is taking my single flavors and mixing ones I think might go well together in my tank at different ratios just to get an idea for my next more complex mixes. This helps me get an idea of what may or may not work together with much less waste.

Good luck on finding that perfect juice.


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[dannyv45]

No yelling at the newbie.

Now you've just taken all the fun out of it for me

Hoosier just gave you some excellent advice. The most important part of it being to start small and make small batches (Waste not want not). Also do lots of reading and after that if you still don't understand something ask questions and I promise not to yell until you've made at least 1 successful batch

 

[dannyv45]

I have to read up on the flavoring piece - that the only part i missing/dont understand - will each vendor have different concentrations of their flavoring - will 30 ml of apple at one vendor be about the same as from another - i tend to think not right? Do the diy places list how concentrated their flavor is ?


Most flavor sellers will give a recommended range so start at about 1% below the lowest recommended amount and taste. If it's weak add more in 1% increments. Also keep in mind that flavor do need to steep so read my blog on steeping so you understand what steeping is all about.

Everything else is great ! Thx so much - i know i asked with out doing as much research as i usually do before i post a question but sometimes - forgive me as the panic attacks set in below 60ml of juice n i need to order :!)

Ahh panic and fustration go hand in hand. So don't panic and think out what your going to do before doing it. Remember this is not rocket science and a little common sense goes a long way. If you feel fustration coming on walk away, take a break and return to it later.

Like this one vendor has 30ml of flavoring available - i have no idea how much finished product that would produce - assuming depends on alot of other things that i add like the pg,vg, nic - hmmm study time - damn it -

That's where the ejuice me up calculation comes in. Makes it easy.

eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

Oh and I would recommend wearing pants at least when your first starting out. After that it's optional

 

[flexsr]

What i get myself into - this sounds like one smart but crazy ... community - holy cow!

Good god.


Yeah originally im getting into it to make the flavors im already use to at im assuming a lower price since id be mixing ingredients myself. Im sure ill explore and hobby will cost more as i get into it and want to experiment etc.

Thx for those important links. Im gonna study them before i place order and thx for that vendors name. Let the journey begin.


Keep your pants on !!!!!!!! Scaring me . Wouldnt nicotine burn ya.


To the safety guy - great advice. I was using 100mg/ml to top off my 36mg premade stuff - but i think hour advice is important as it really is extremely toxic especially to touch.

Has anyone tried putting their contact lenses in their eyes with a littke juice left over on hands ? Ive scrubbed all over my hands but sometimes ya just dont get it all and oh boy does that sting !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks so much ya nuts !!!!

 

[flexsr]

There a link to this capellas place ? Having trouble finding them.

 

[ccv1]

There a link to this capellas place ? Having trouble finding them.

I'm not sure where everyone else gets their flavors from but I get my flavors from One Stop DIY Shop and ecigexpress. You might find them cheaper elsewhere I didn't research price much when I started out but both of these companies seem to ship quickly so I never looked for another place to purchase. I think ecigexpress is the one that carries Capella.


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[Wingsfan0310]

There a link to this capellas place ? Having trouble finding them.

You can also order directly from them: Concentrated Flavorings|Sugar Free Drink | Flavor Drops

Cheers,
Steve

 

[ccv1]

You can also order directly from them: Concentrated Flavorings|Sugar Free Drink | Flavor Drops

Cheers,
Steve

Hey that's good to know, thank you.


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[Steamer861]

You can buy USP grade PG & VG at the drug store Cheaper than from other suppliers

 

[ccv1]

You can buy USP grade PG & VG at the drug store Cheaper than from other suppliers

I got my PG & VG I'm bulk from amazon fairly cheap. I have enough to last a very long time. Where is everyone getting their Nic? I get mine from ecig express, but like I said earlier I didn't research much when I started and really haven't since. I'm sure there is a much cheaper place to get it.


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