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pigelty

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1. How much money is the entire ecig industry making or did make between 2008-02009?

2. Are business relations being est between Runyan and PM? If so, what kind?

3. Is there a date when the FDA is expected to make a decision?

4. Why are ecigs now available online at CVS, Costco and Walmart stores? Is this a good sign that ecigs are here to stay?
 

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Since nobody else has answered yet, I'll do my best.

1. How much money is the entire ecig industry making or did make between 2008-02009?
I don't believe anyone has any idea really. There are reports of one million users world-wide, but again I don't know how accurate that really is.

2. Are business relations being est between Runyan and PM? If so, what kind?
Sorry, I don't know. There has been speculation and that's about it.

3. Is there a date when the FDA is expected to make a decision?
They made a decision, they feel that nicotine is a drug and e-cigs are a drug device. They want e-cigs to go through the process all new drugs and drug devices go through for approval. Now, the real question is do they have the right to make that decision. We're all awaiting Judge Leon's decision on this matter. After his decision, we'll then be waiting for the appeal.

4. Why are ecigs now available online at CVS, Costco and Walmart stores? Is this a good sign that ecigs are here to stay?
I don't see them at Costco or Walmart. CVS carries NJoy but they are out of stock (probably because of the FDA's attempt at a defacto ban). I don't think it really means much at this point. It would certainly be a move toward nomalization and acceptance of the product, but legalities need to be worked out before that can happen. Also, there needs to be a real change in thinking when it comes to harm reduction strategies within anti-smoking groups and public health officials.

If anyone else has better answers, feel free to chime in!
 

pigelty

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Since nobody else has answered yet, I'll do my best.

1. How much money is the entire ecig industry making or did make between 2008-02009?
I don't believe anyone has any idea really. There are reports of one million users world-wide, but again I don't know how accurate that really is.

2. Are business relations being est between Runyan and PM? If so, what kind?
Sorry, I don't know. There has been speculation and that's about it.

3. Is there a date when the FDA is expected to make a decision?
They made a decision, they feel that nicotine is a drug and e-cigs are a drug device. They want e-cigs to go through the process all new drugs and drug devices go through for approval. Now, the real question is do they have the right to make that decision. We're all awaiting Judge Leon's decision on this matter. After his decision, we'll then be waiting for the appeal.

*YOU ARE RIGHT! THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION! IF TOBACCO PRODUCTS ARE LEGAL FOR SALES WITH HARMFUL CHEMICALS...ECIGS &NICOTINE LIQUID SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR SALES TOO

4. Why are ecigs now available online at CVS, Costco and Walmart stores? Is this a good sign that ecigs are here to stay?
I don't see them at Costco or Walmart. CVS carries NJoy but they are out of stock (probably because of the FDA's attempt at a defacto ban). I don't think it really means much at this point. It would certainly be a move toward nomalization and acceptance of the product, but legalities need to be worked out before that can happen. Also, there needs to be a real change in thinking when it comes to harm reduction strategies within anti-smoking groups and public health officials.

If anyone else has better answers, feel free to chime in!

Ok...thanks!
 

Janetda

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*YOU ARE RIGHT! THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION! IF TOBACCO PRODUCTS ARE LEGAL FOR SALES WITH HARMFUL CHEMICALS...ECIGS &NICOTINE LIQUID SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR SALES TOO


pigelty,

It's a little more complicated than that. They may actually have the right. That's what we're waiting for the judge to rule on. The FDA has always thought of nicotine as a drug. If it were up to the FDA, tobacco would have been outlawed many years ago. But there are laws, actual acts of congress that forbids banning tobacco mainly for economic reasons, nothing to do with public health or even your "right" to smoke.

IMO, this is another case of technology out pacing the law. Really what we have here is not a tobacco cigarette and not a drug per se. It's a smoking alternative with nicotine. And right now, that just doesn't fall into any of the traditional categories that the FDA (or anyone else) has established. You see, it's not really all that cut and dry. These are big issues and will not be settled easily or quickly.
 

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*YOU ARE RIGHT! THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION! IF TOBACCO PRODUCTS ARE LEGAL FOR SALES WITH HARMFUL CHEMICALS...ECIGS &NICOTINE LIQUID SHOULD BE LEGAL FOR SALES TOO


pigelty,

It's a little more complicated than that. They may actually have the right. That's what we're waiting for the judge to rule on. The FDA has always thought of nicotine as a drug. If it were up to the FDA, tobacco would have been outlawed many years ago. But there are laws, actual acts of congress that forbids banning tobacco mainly for economic reasons, nothing to do with public health or even your "right" to smoke.

IMO, this is another case of technology out pacing the law. Really what we have here is not a tobacco cigarette and not a drug per se. It's a smoking alternative with nicotine. And right now, that just doesn't fall into any of the traditional categories that the FDA (or anyone else) has established. You see, it's not really all that cut and dry. These are big issues and will not be settled easily or quickly.

I don't believe that is entirely accurate. As I recall Coop started the bandwagon to declare Nicotine an addictive drug in the late 80's during the Clinton era. It wasn't until the mid nineties that the FDA started doing research (oh they do that at their convenience), made the declaration and started the "highly addictive nicotine campaign".
 

Janetda

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First of all, they're not illegal now. As for the future, IMO I don't think they will ever be illegal. I have my questions about the juice as it's sold now, but overall I think we'll all be ok. Given today's ruling by Judge Leon, I think we have every reason to be optimistic for the future of e-cigs. But the fight's not over by a long shot.

We also really need to see some serious tests and research done. It would be my hope that we could work together with organization such as ACS, ALS, etc., to develop harm reduction strategies. They are not willing to go there yet, but it is my hope that common sense will prevail with these groups once we have the data.
 

Janetda

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OK, I can see you don't post much, but you've been a member for a long time. Longer than me! You need to read a little more. I realize the main thread on this topic is a bit overwhelming, but seriously how can you not know?

Read the January 14th blog entry here: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

That should get you up-to-date.
 
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