Burning Boge 2.0LR Cartos

[ShogaNinja]

I've been cleaning my Boge 2.0ohm LR Cartos to keep them alive and get at least 2-3 lives out of them. Some of them work ok again, others do not. Some of them are now burning when I take a hit and they are giving me that dry atty taste even when they are full. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong, or what I can do to fix them, if anything? What I do is for now I have been taking a big syringe and pumping hot water through them after I boil them for 15 minutes. I take the carto and put it battery terminal down in the oral syringe and awkwardly put a few glasses of water through them. I'm getting a turkey baster tomorrow to better use this method but I spent all my spending cash getting started and it's going to be a week until I can get more cartos, so I've been roughing it, as it were. To dry them by the way, I put them in the oven on 250 degrees Fahrenheit, take them out, let them cool, and then back in for another 15 to get them dry enough to reuse them immediately. Other times I have done this process only once and then jammed paper towels in the hole and let them dry for a day or two before re-using them. I know this is lame but I gotta do what I gotta do to get by for the moment until I can get another shipment of cartos. I'm using DIY 70/30 24mg juice with clear flavors so I can go about 4-5 days on one carto before it just gets so much condensation you're only making steam at that point. It's been working so far but I don't want to waste the few remaining new cartos I have and then run out before I get my next shipment. Thanks in advance.

 

[ShogaNinja]

(bump) Nobody?

 

[Hdivr]

Sounds like you doing as much as you can at this point.......... trying to flush and reuse...... If they don't completely dry, you won't get much vapor. The Boge's are a vertical coil so I can't see dry burning as a last option. I've bought a pack of Kanger's (horizontal coils) and I'll try the dry burn method when they get gunked. I'll either try to reuse the polyfill or may try a tea bag mod

In the future, I'd recommend at least keeping one dripping atty around. Easy to flush, dry burn if needed. Some may last a week. I have a 306 lr that is 4 months old and refuses to die, but I don't run it daily either.

 

[ShogaNinja]

I have a Bauway 306 LR. I use it to taste test my DIY juice mainly before I commit a carto to it. Maybe it's my drip tip, but I don't see myself using it all day long, it really doesn't hit as well as it was advertised and it leaks all the time so I just see it as a giant waste of juice. It's still a handy backup but I'm not in love with the thing. It doesn't make me want to be a dripper even though vaping without polyfill is superior.

I think I found out what it is. The cartos aren't as dry as I think they are. The ones that were dry burning even though I had filled them with both the condom AND the thermometer method when left to sit for a few days or even a week started to come back around and work again even with the juice was sitting in them the whole time. I think the water evaporated through the juice and they worked again. Weird stuff. The polyfill looks like the Sahara desert it's so dry and I even went so far as do the oven dry method 3 times in a row and this still was happening to me. Boges can last a long time, but they are finicky when it comes to quick drying and reusing.

 

[ShogaNinja]

Maybe I was wrong. I waited a few days after this post for my cartos be good and dry and did a fill with the condom method on 2 cartos. One of them is giving me dry atty hiss/taste and the other is not. Something must have happened to the coil and I haven't seen the inside of a Boge so I don't know what there is that I can do, if anything. The other one works great, it's like brand new.

I get that some people don't like to clean their cartos but if you do the turkey baster method and then bake them at 250 for 15 minutes x2 or 3 you really can save them. It's the condensation that makes them crappy. If what you are exhaling is water vapor then it only stands to reason that as you continue to vape on the same carto the water ratio will rise as you do so. Simply cleaning them and starting over is the best way to get them to where you can re-use them although I suppose if you wait long enough the water will evaporate out of them and allow you to re-use them again too, but by then the juice will likely be worthless. From what I understand the nicotine in juice evaporates when exposed to air, otherwise they wouldn't put a warning to wear a mask or vapor hood on the flavorless liquid nicotine.

If you can clean a dozen cartos in 10 minutes of effort and then turn around and bake them (no real effort there) then you are getting PAID (by saving yourself money - a penny saved is a penny earned) to clean cartos. That's what I'm screamin'.

Does anyone have a picture of the guts of a Boge? Specs?

 

[meMYSELFnI]

I can tell you a few tricks ive learned.
First is make a poker. A toothpick sanded or shaved along the length to the approximate diameter of the air shaft. You can insert it and rotate it and it will not only keep the shaft open but scrap the inside of the coils.
Second is it helps to clean the carto. Inserting it through the drip end about 3/4 of the way down the carto. Fill with juice or water and then blow through the carto down toward the connector. It'll get a lot of the old resin juice out around the wires coils. Plus it'll make sure you don't have dry spots.
When you clean your cartos the juice resin sticks to the coils and the fill material. Mostly the fill next to the coils. It prevents the material from allowing the juice to wick to the coils which will allow the coils to burn the material. Swivalling the pocket can loosen that gunk up, but you'll need to flush it out or you'll just dry it back up next time you stick it in the oven.
Best way to clean the from my experience is an air compressor. Insert poker 3/4 way and approximately to the rim of carto, fill with water, put drip tip on and blow the crap out of it, literally! If forces the air through the fill and out either through the coils or close to them blowing out the gunk. Repeat. You'll know its clean when the fill is white (not whitish) and the air blows through without moisture. They'll be near new and you can use the immediately if you like.
hope that helps you.

 

[ShogaNinja]

I clean them with a turkey baster and I only use clear juice. It's not really an issue of caking for me. I use a paper clip and jam it through both sides. It just seems like the coil has moved away from the polyfill and it isn't wicking properly. I don't know enough about the guts of a boge to know how to rectify this problem. As far as cleaning goes I pretty much have it down to a science and have, in the short time i've been vaping, reused some of them to great effect as many as 4 times already. I find that i can really only enjoy them for a few days before cleaning. I have 10 of them in circulation now and just clean when fill a fresh one so that when it's time I have a dry and ready to go carto.

 

[meMYSELFnI]

The coils can't shift away from the poly fill unless you damage them and they're sitting in the airway.
The connector is press fit into the carto about a 1/4" and the coils sit right above it, then the sleeve sits right above that to keep the airway open. That whole assembly is surrounds by a thin sheet of polyfill wrapped several times. The coils aren't in the sleeve.

I've used a paper clip when I first started vaping and a whittled tooth pick is much better, imo.
If you can't clean out the caked liquid at the base of the coils it will look like it's filled completely, but will burn as soon as you press the button. I've done quite a few things to try and get the most bang out of the cartos I've bought. Sometimes it's just better to say "oh well" and replace it with a new one. Prevention is the best way to have them last a long time. Blow the gunk out every 5 or so days depending on how much you vape and keep them wet always.

You sound like your doing what you can and getting more life out of them than others I've heard/seen. Just remember they are built to be disposable. You sound like a person that would benifit from making your own rebuildable atty. research "Genisis atty" and "Zenesis".

 

[ShogaNinja]

I know about the Genesis. The Zenesis is just an overpriced copy IMO. I am currently redesigning the Genesis to make them easier to produce, without a lathe, and to improve upon their many weaknesses. When I get done with a final design I will post the results. Right now I'm still a beginner so I figured it's going to take more experience on my part to know what's good and what's bad.

So, what in your opinion could cause it to burn if what I've told you is that I've only used this carto a couple of times (maybe even only once) and I only use them for a few days before I clean them and I only use clear juice that I DIY? BTW: Boges just have a polyfill batting, there is no wrapping as far as I can see. I do have 5 SLR KGO cartos (which came with my KGO) which are basically a gauze that wraps around the coil and those are just about impossible to re-use effectively. Maybe 2 times tops and it's shady at best, but since they are Standard Resistance (probably 3.0 ohm) their vapor production and flavor is underwhelming even when they are brand new.

 

[meMYSELFnI]

I mix my own juices also. I'm sure you know but the viscoscity of the juice does effect the cartos ability to replenish the supply next to the coils. If you're using too high a VG and not cutting it somehow to make the juice thinner, that could be one of your prob.
I do know that the boge carto's polyfill is wrapped around the coils and sleeve. It may not look like it but take one apart 1 time and your see what I mean.

I couldn't say with any certainty what is casing the burning of your cartos. Boges cartos also have a tolerance on the resistance like all other cartos out there. Could be a bad batch where the resistance is really low, at the bottom of there QC tolerance. Kgos hit 4.2v on fresh charge and typically 3.7 there after. You hit a new cart with a 1.6-7 ish resistance and a freshly charged battery, and maybe some thicker juice.. Poof.. Burnt carto. IDK what happened with yours, but hey... .... happens. All you can do is do your best at prevention. Then learn the rest is out of your control, after you cry a bit and brake a few things, and fill another carto.

 

[ShogaNinja]

Actually you're numbers are a bit off. A KGO burns at 4.15v on a fresh batter with a Single Coil carto. It goes down to 3.8v on a dual coil (which can cause your battery to die a permanent death so don't dual coil on a KGO). Usually Li-Ion batteries shut off at 3.2 v to prevent overdraining which could cause the protection circuit to fail and thus lead to catastrophic failure, i.e venting, fire, explosion, etc. (at least from what I understood while reading the Battery University). I guess it's irrelevant now anyway. I've found a new way to vape. The eGo Vision Stardust Clearomizers. They can be easily cleaned and rebuilt and they look full of win. I'm done with Boges they really don't last that long and for the price of 2-3 of them I can have a stardust.

Here's a link on how to rebuild one: Gotvapes Stardust: Changing the Wick & Coil - YouTube

 

[meMYSELFnI]

I knew my #s were off. I was just trying to give you an idea. New battery + lowest tolerance allowed on carto/defective batch, = poof.
I was just making a point that somethings are out of your control. Trying to figure out why all the time will likely, someday, give you a headache. I'm the same way and that's why I've taken cartos apart. I needed to know why.

I've heard and seen those on here and have been curious to try them. LMK how they are once you're able to test them out. I love my boge cartos but will admit they're far from perfect, and I've had my share of quality issues with them. Although, much less with them than others.

 

[aubergine]

And bag the condom plunge. Taryn spin. Multiple times, until it's really good and soaked and well-distributed.
I have decided to be a Taryn spin evangelist. It resolves SO many carto problems. Try to put up with me.