Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

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br5495

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I feel good. Not physically well by any means, but my new cartomizer is working so well that I may crack a smile before the day is over with. Not only does it accomplish what I had hoped for, but it automatically created a new feature that may be good idea for use in new cartomizers of the future. I call it the BR Twist.

As a few of you may recall, condensation in a cartomizer has been one of my major gripes with all of my experiments. For that matter, it's been a problem every since I began using electronic cigarettes. I just didn't know back then what to blame it on.

Condensation happens in any space inside a PV that is large enough to cool the vapor and it can accumulate everywhere from the air intake to the hole it goes through to enter your mouth. In other words, the juice that gets in your battery fitting and the juice you get in your mouth from time to time may not be a leak. It may be condensation. Maybe you never have this problem, but some people do.

The object of the new br mod was for it to get its air from the top of the cartomizer instead of the bottom, thus eliminating additional places for vapor to form and/or accumulate. I don't claim this location as my idea. The genesis type cartomizer gets its air from the top, but due to its type of construction, it can have a larger condensation problem than most other PVs. My goal was to get the air directly to a coil that is installed in a rather small area.

Fortunately, my previous design allows this in a rather unorthodox sort of way. Just drill a hole from the outside of the cartomizer all the way through everything until it gets to the coil chamber. That is, a hole through the cartomizer body, a hole through the mouthpiece, and a hole through the coil cup. But why stop with just one hole? Why not four holes all the way around the circumference so that air hits the coil from four different directions?

So now I still have a removable mouthpiece just like before that can easily be pulled out to fill my cartomizer. It's not quite as convenient to put it back in now though, because I have to rotate it until all the holes line up. But wait a minute. This thing can shut the air completely off, but it can also be twisted to allow however much air I want it to draw. Stiff draw, soft draw or wide open for a direct draw. Well, I'll just be damned. The br Twist.

The br Twist aside, it looks like I reached another goal in the saga of CE-2 design concept. So far all tests are looking good and I honestly believe my condensation problem has been eliminated.

There's a good bit more to the condensation problem than mentioned above, but I won't get into that for now. However, I will say this. If your mouthpiece has a passage inside of it smaller that 9/64", you may have a condensation problem.

My latest prototype looks about like all the rest of them, so I didn't take a photo. Here's a drawing of the latest Masterpiece, though. I doubt if it interests most of you, but there may still be someone on this thread who will glance at it.

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The elimination of the lower air tube allowed the positive post to have a smaller diameter. This either allows a little more space for juice or it allows the cartomizer to be a bit shorter and keep the same tank capacity. I always design toward smaller and lighter, so the Masterpiece is still getting leaner and meaner.

I can also say that the Masterpiece has also gotten cleaner through the past couple years, but I doubt if you kids want to listen to me about that. I say get rid of all the devices that pull clean air through in, around and through a nasty mix of battery corrosion and e-juice. I don't never vaporise any of that crap.
 

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Your new carto sounds great. Sending lots of good thoughts your way.


I didn't multi quote as a read to catch up, but i've been using the super shorties on my reos. They do burn rather easily, even if you do remember to squonk regularly. I'd prefer to use 306 atty's on them but it's difficult to find LR 306's and long drip tips for them. sigh.

Last night, I dissected the stallion carto that LK sent. I used it fort by itself, and then punched holes in it and put it in a tank. By the time i dissected it, the coilwas completely crudded up and there was some scorching on the innermost diaper- which was the innermost of two layers of woven-non cotton material- but none at all on the filler. I got reasonable use out of it- but never was completely happy with the flavor.
 

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Your new carto sounds great. Sending lots of good thoughts your way.

Thanks CES

The new carto performs about the same as my prior one, but but not a drop of condensation yesterday or today. I'm on my 3rd tank right now, which will total about 18 mL of juice. Wish all of you were as pleased as I am right now.

My old one will make a good backup for the near future and now Peggy wants me to build her a new spare. The one she has been using for the past month or so is a real Cracker Jack and I can hear it sizzling and crackling all the way across the room. She never has a problem with condensation. I don't know why.
 

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Thanks CES

The new carto performs about the same as my prior one, but but not a drop of condensation yesterday or today. I'm on my 3rd tank right now, which will total about 18 mL of juice. Wish all of you were as pleased as I am right now.

My old one will make a good backup for the near future and now Peggy wants me to build her a new spare. The one she has been using for the past month or so is a real Cracker Jack and I can hear it sizzling and crackling all the way across the room. She never has a problem with condensation. I don't know why.

I am pleased BR because you're pleased. And so is Peggy!

Nice diagram. It looks more like an airplane engine to me than a carto, but what do I know! :facepalm:
 

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In my previous post

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-etc-filler-type-cartos-887.html#post10703685

I stated, "If your mouthpiece has a passage inside of it smaller that 9/64", you may have a condensation problem."

I should have said, "If your mouthpiece has a passage inside of it smaller that 5/64", you may have a condensation problem."

I blame the error on the pain pills. I'm still on the things, so there's no telling what I may say next. Actually, I can't say anything. One of the meds has caused me to completely lose my voice and I can only whisper. I could type a very detailed explanation about a hole size smaller than 5'64" in a mouthpiece, but I don't think you really want to hear a tongue wagging version.
 

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Nice diagram. It looks more like an airplane engine to me than a carto, but what do I know! :facepalm:

This is kinda what the real thing looks like. I can't see well enough to focus the camera and this shot is about the best I can do.

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Look closely near the top of the tube and you can see one of four air holes.

There appears to be a space between the cartomizer and battery, but it's not. The complete cartomizer body is clear and the bottom end tightens down on the battery end.

What do you think about the adjustable air intake? I run it wide open and just breath through it while pushing the button, but I can make it draw just like a stock CE-2 by twisting the mouthpiece the correct amount.

Do any of you other kids have an opinion about feature? I'm kinda curious.
 

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if it's too airy, ces, plug up one of the air holes ;)


br - anything with too tight of a draw i stay away from ;) not sure if i'd give those rejects another try if the air flow could be adjusted.i really don't want to piddle too much. vv comes in handy and i don't mind going through a trial stage to find the best setting for a certain juice but my biggest hope is to come across a setup that works right from the beginning :D
 

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That's a pretty carto BR :)

I like the idea of an adjustable air feature. I'm trying my first EVOD carto, and it's too cool and too airy for my taste. I'd at least like to be able to adjust the airflow the airflow.

I don't try to make them pretty. I lean toward compact and practical. That makes them look more like an old Modal A Ford or an old Volkswagen, heheh.

If a cart draws too cool and airy, try pulling on it very softly. That way the the air will move slower and heat better. Your draw will likely be a bit longer to get a good hit, but the "airy" feel should be less noticeable. But then, I direct draw and no one sells one that draws easy enough to suit me. If they did, I might be buying them instead of making them.
 

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if it's too airy, ces, plug up one of the air holes ;)


br - anything with too tight of a draw i stay away from ;) not sure if i'd give those rejects another try if the air flow could be adjusted.i really don't want to piddle too much. vv comes in handy and i don't mind going through a trial stage to find the best setting for a certain juice but my biggest hope is to come across a setup that works right from the beginning :D

Everybody has their "druthers", and your biggest hope may not please someone else. Hopefully, your ideal is out there somewhere.

I don't know what the big deal is about the great difference in the draw. All of them have a small hole going through the center battery post that is almost the same size.

Why were we less particular back when we were smoking cigarettes? I think we are all a bunch of freaks.
 
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