Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[br5495]

Pretty much everything that's being sold now has been invented by our clever modders. And that's the truth! So, BR, you and a few other smart people have contributed to the global advancement of vaping and probably saved countless lives in the process! How does that feel?

And how's that for a Thanksgiving thought?

Hmmmmm. Food for thought.

 

[tiburonfirst]

That old oven of ours has roasted so many turkeys that it probably knows how to do it all by itself, heheh. However, I will probably spend a good bit of Thanksgiving in the hospital with Peggy with turkey the farthest from my mind. Hope you have a great one.

the turkey can take a backseat give my regards to peggy and i hope she'll be back home in no time!
hugs for you both!

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[Alžběta Madragana]

It is true that some of my cartomizers last a long time, but my earlier designs did not and some of my latest ones do not. However, I keep trying to make slight improvements all along for longevity, better performance, less power, etc. I can't always do this, but when I am physically and mentally able, I believe this is one of the things that keep me going. I made up my mind many years ago that I would not be like some older folks who sit in a rocking chair on the front porch and die before their time.

The cartomizers we can buy today are slowly getting better in some respects. Every now and then it's because someone reinvents one of my old ideas. On the other hand, some of their new ideas are dumb and don't stay around for long. My fear is that some of these half vast ideas will be with us from now on.

Sad to say that Peggy had to go back in the hospital today. I don't believe things will be all that serious, but she will probably be there on Thanksgiving day. Don't know what will happen with the turkey, but I don't care much for them things, especially the leftovers, heheh.

Yeah I agree - some of those half vast ideas (or rather, half-BAKED) ideas will probably be with us as we continue our vaping journey.
I'm sorry to hear Ms. Peggy had to go back in the hospital. I will pray she gets better and can return home soon. Spending holidays without your mate is sad.

 

[Alžběta Madragana]

Ah yes. The br bottle mod. How could I ever forget that great thread with all you guys, all the ideas, and half vast ideas? And the people in China reading everything we came up with and trying to manufacture it, good and bad.

yeah for sure! Can we say Chinese COPYCATS!!

 

[BanjoMan]

Picked up some RBC Clearomizers over at MadVapes the other day... not bad. First bottom-coil design I've tried. A little airy but the taste is decent (and they don't leak). The coils seem to last a bit longer than the top-coil vivi novas and they clean up well with a rinse and dry-burn. The wifey likes them because they're easy to fill.




Also picked up a few of these on sale. I'm guessing they don't sell well because of the weight (just under a metric ton!). They work great, are virtually indestructible, have a built-in flashlight and will charge your phone in a pinch. They also double as hand weights for working out and make an excellent throwing projectile for self-defense.

 

[tiburonfirst]

and 2 apple connectors included!

hiya, banjo!

 

[br5495]

Picked up some RBC Clearomizers over at MadVapes the other day... not bad. First bottom-coil design I've tried. A little airy but the taste is decent (and they don't leak). The coils seem to last a bit longer than the top-coil vivi novas and they clean up well with a rinse and dry-burn. The wifey likes them because they're easy to fill.


Also picked up a few of these on sale. I'm guessing they don't sell well because of the weight (just under a metric ton!). They work great, are virtually indestructible, have a built-in flashlight and will charge your phone in a pinch. They also double as hand weights for working out and make an excellent throwing projectile for self-defense.

What a coincidence. I got my first bottom coil design in the mail yesterday, hoping it could use a bunch of replaceable coil units that I "inherited". It's a 3.5mLtank that can take almost any bottom coil replacement and sure enough the coils I have work with it. I also thought it would be something I could use because it has an adjustable air intake. It's an Anyvape Peakomizer, but the draw is too tight at the wide open setting and I doubt if I could ever learn to like it.

One reason I thought I'd like it is because it fills from the top and has a drip tip that looks almost exactly like the first mod I made a few years ago for the first CE-2's. Makes me wonder where they came up with the idea. Then too, the air intake tube has a hole through it that is EXACTLY the same as the cartomizers I build today. That's really weird or maybe more than just a coincidence. However, the hole through the coil unit is a good bit smaller and determines the maximum amount of air that can be pulled through it. Since there is no way to enlarge it, the air adjustments are tight, tighter, real tight and even tighter. Another half vast idea.

The coils I have for it are 2.1 ohm double coil, so I expected a good bit of vapor out of it from my 3 volt batteries. The vapor is OK, but I really have to work at it and almost have to suck my eyeballs down my throat to get it. I get just as much or more from my home build, and it has a higher resistance coil and uses less power. Mine gets a little warm under constant use and the Peakomizer gets noticeably warmer. Even hot if operated at a higher voltage. The double coil version that I experimented with several years ago produced more vapor with less heat.



The Peakomizer is made out of stainless steel with a Pyrex glass tube, so I knew it would be heavy. I was right (just under a metric ton!). Maybe Peggy can use it. She'll vape anything, heheh. We'll see when she gets out of the hospital.

She broke her ankle the day before she went in the hospital. The break was in the same place as it was a couple years ago. Anyhow, the doctors decided to patch it with a steel plate while she was still in the hospital and did so yesterday. I don't know when she will come home. It depends on whether she goes to rehab or not.

I'm still trying to build a cartomizer. Had the brass parts almost completed and pressed together. Was putting on some finishing touches and ruined the whole shebang. Now I have to start all over from scratch. I will not give up. I will not give up. I will not give up.

 

[tiburonfirst]

i hope peggy heals fast and well! heaven knows what trouble you're getting into without her supervision

 

[BanjoMan]

Hope Peggy comes home soon, br.

I guess it had to happen sooner or later but it looks like I've finally become "too old" to understand what the young crowd wants in today's vaping world. MadVapes just opened a franchise location here in Greensboro and I decided to stop by for a visit. It was my first visit to a vape store and even though there were only two employees and two customers in sight, a large rather stinky cloud of vapor hung in the air about 6 feet off the ground. Every time one of those guys took a drag off their devices it looked like a fog machine going off. Even after many years of smoking my senses just couldn't take it (I left with a headache that lasted the rest of the day). I thought I'd pick up a few replacement heads for my vivi nova while I was there, but they didn't have them. In fact, the sales guy said I was the first person he'd seen in a long time who still used the "old" top-coil cartomizers. When I told him I still used CE2's on a daily basis I got the feeling he didn't even know what I was talking about (and he probably didn't).

I thought I'd take a gamble and had him mix up three of their more popular "Top Vapor" menthol liquids. After getting them home I discovered they all had a chemical tone that reminded me of some of the early stuff I used to buy direct from China. I have no way of knowing for sure but I assume it's a chemical that exists in the base nicotine they use to mix everything else. Whatever it is (lemon-flavored floor wax?) apparently the kids just love it!

On top of everything else I just found out my son-in-law and some of his friends have banded together to open their own vape shop. I don't know how deep they're getting into it but I do know 1.) He just started vaping a few months ago, and 2.) He never once consulted me about it. Not that I'm an expert or anything but I'd like to think the five years I've spent messing with these things and getting family members to switch has amounted to at least a little experience. I hope he makes it but I'm afraid he's about to get an expensive lesson in what it's like to compete with the big boys in a fairly mature market.

Ok, I'm done for now.

 

[Katya]

BR, when is Peggy coming home? How bad is that fracture?

If you want to try a good tank with plenty of fully adjustable airflow you really should look at Aerotanks. This is my go-to device now. I have a mini (eGo-size) and regular V2 (19mm diameter). The best and cleanest vape in a stock tankomizer I've ever tried. As a matter of fact, I can't go back to my other toppers that don't have airflow control--they seem dull and restricted. And the dual coils for Aerotanks can be rebuilt--if you're looking for another project.

@Hello Banjo! CE2s? Isn't it time for something more advanced? Nice to see you again!

 

[CES]

i can't believe how far behind I'd gotten on this thread.

A belated thanks for your service, Al.

I hope Peggy heals well and is home soon, BR. I hope you're also taking good care of yourself while she's in the hospital. Keep on designing cartos- though i really wish that you were getting something for your inventions. They have helped completely change the face of vaping from when we all started.

Banjo, I went into a local vape lounge over the weekend and there was just one guy in there and the place was full of cold, damp, fog. It was not appealing. I was looking for a starter kit for someone. They didn't carry them. Go figure.

But I did end up picking up an aspire nautilus mini, Katya. It came with the bottom vertical coils, but i wanted dual coils as replacements, so I ended up getting them for half off. Sometimes wanting something slightly different than what's currently popular stuff pays off.

If Tibs goes the DNA40 route i think she'll leave us all behind in the dust.

 

[br5495]

i hope peggy heals fast and well! heaven knows what trouble you're getting into without her supervision

I'm too old and beat up to get in any kind of trouble, even if I wanted to, heheh.

I'll respond to some of you other guy's posts later on when I'm feeling up to it. Nite, nite.

 

[Katya]

But I did end up picking up an aspire nautilus mini, Katya. It came with the bottom vertical coils, but i wanted dual coils as replacements, so I ended up getting them for half off. Sometimes wanting something slightly different than what's currently popular stuff pays off.

An update. I enlarged the holes in my ET-S and gave it another try--out of the 5 BDC coils I had left, 2 started tasting burnt after only a couple of hours--I took them apart and noticed that they were very sloppily put together; the third one was better and lasted two days (of occasional vaping) before starting to taste burnt; the last two were actually nice but very cartolike to my taste buds. I actually prefer a good Boge or Smoktech tanked carto to those BDCs... But they were old--maybe I got a bad batch.

If Tibs goes the DNA40 route i think she'll leave us all behind in the dust.

It's a matter of when, not if, at this point, CES.

 

[BanjoMan]

I've noticed there seem to be a LOT of fairly high-priced "tank kits" on the market. Pretty stainless-looking thingys in gift boxes for $30 and more. My wife was gifted a Kanger Pro Tank III (I hope I'm saying that right). The two heads that came with it lasted roughly a week when exposed to the cinnamon liquid she uses. The RBC's I bought hold up better and cost a LOT less. Maybe I'm missing something...

One question though... do all these newer tanks have spring-loaded connectors? The ones I have here that do typically leak a little from time to time, leaving a fair amount of liquid behind when you pull them off. I've become concerned enough to install sealed 510 shorty extensions on most of my mods to protect them. Not exactly the look I'm going for but they work.

 

[tiburonfirst]

banjo. those heads are rebuildable and there should be plenty of youtube videos showing you how

spring-loaded connectors should not be a cause for leaks - something else is failing. i'm not familiar with the tanks you're using but maybe somebody else is and can help.

 

[br5495]

BR, when is Peggy coming home? How bad is that fracture?

If you want to try a good tank with plenty of fully adjustable airflow you really should look at Aerotanks. This is my go-to device now. I have a mini (eGo-size) and regular V2 (19mm diameter). The best and cleanest vape in a stock tankomizer I've ever tried. As a matter of fact, I can't go back to my other toppers that don't have airflow control--they seem dull and restricted. And the dual coils for Aerotanks can be rebuilt--if you're looking for another project.

@Hello Banjo! CE2s? Isn't it time for something more advanced? Nice to see you again!

I don't know when Peggy is coming home, but I do know she will be going into rehab. When she will go there and for how long we don't know.

The fracture isn't all that bad. It's the same as it was a couple years ago and all the doc did for her then was put her in a fracture boot. The steel plate they put in this time was to keep it from happening again. Neither of us can get around as well as we could back then, so she will be in rehab until she gains enough strength to get up and down with less help from me.

I kind of doubt if the airflow through the Aerotank is any more than the Peakomizer. The hole through the replacement head determines the airflow and all of them I have seen so far are the same. I wouldn't have to buy an Aerotank to find out, though. The heads for the Aerotank will fit in the Peakomizer, so that's all I'd have to buy. Now that I think about it, the air tube for an Aerotank head fits inside the air tube of the Peakomizer, so I know the airflow through the tube can't be more. But then, I'm not looking for another project. I just wanted to find a cartomizer that could use up about 30 new replacement heads that fit a tank that is no longer available.

I've been using the Peakomizer and getting used to it, so it's not quite bad today. Mostly a matter of learning how to use it. The wicks accumulate too much juice on them when used at 3.3 volts. After several minutes of use it floods the wicks enough to reduce the vapor and continued use causes it to gurgle. One solution I found is to increase the voltage to 4.8 long enough to burn off the excess. Another is to leave it at 4.8 volts and take shorter draws. Even then I have to pull on it harder and regulate my draws to keep the wicks from flooding. This uses up more juice and runs down a battery a whole lot quicker.

This tells me that my juice is too thin when used with this replacement head. However, this head may work fine for someone else and their juice. Since this thing can take a head of almost any other brand, I may be able to find one that will work for me, but I ain't gonna try to do that This is one of the problems I had several years ago when experimenting with a prototype bottom coil cartomizer and why I didn't develop it any further.

I think I'll quit playing with this thing and go back to one of my low powered rigs, heheh.

 

[Katya]

I've noticed there seem to be a LOT of fairly high-priced "tank kits" on the market. Pretty stainless-looking thingys in gift boxes for $30 and more. My wife was gifted a Kanger Pro Tank III (I hope I'm saying that right). The two heads that came with it lasted roughly a week when exposed to the cinnamon liquid she uses. The RBC's I bought hold up better and cost a LOT less. Maybe I'm missing something...

One question though... do all these newer tanks have spring-loaded connectors? The ones I have here that do typically leak a little from time to time, leaving a fair amount of liquid behind when you pull them off. I've become concerned enough to install sealed 510 shorty extensions on most of my mods to protect them. Not exactly the look I'm going for but they work.

What are RBCs?

Anyway, the ProTank 3 is the last tank Kanger made without airflow control--if you like it, I highly recommend getting one of Kanger AFCs--they really work well and no leaks into the battery--they are all sealed on the bottom:

Kanger Air Flow control Valve Base Replacements

My Aerotanks don't have spring-loaded connections. When I have connectivity problems, I use circuit board spacers from MadVapes--they work like a charm.

My Kanger coils last a long time (with occasional cleaning and quick dry burns). but I use clear, clean e-liquids. You know the drill--the sweeter, the darker the juice, the faster it will gunk up the coil.

 

[BanjoMan]

Hey Tibs,

It wasn't the coil itself that gave out on either head. After a fairly short amount of time (on both heads), something (I assume it was the juice) caused the little o-ring seal on the bottom of each head to block the air-holes. After that it was like sucking on a plugged up straw.

The connectors I'm having problems with off and on are on the Smok Tech Vivi Nova and Champion Tanks. I guess they're considered old tech now but as long as I can get heads I'll probably keep using them.

banjo. those heads are rebuildable and there should be plenty of youtube videos showing you how

spring-loaded connectors should not be a cause for leaks - something else is failing. i'm not familiar with the tanks you're using but maybe somebody else is and can help.

 

[BanjoMan]

Smok RBC:



Older tech I guess, but they're inexpensive and the heads are replaceable. Great for trying different liquids on the fly. Madvapes sells them for $2.99 each.

I notice they make 3 different AFC's for the Protank 3. V1-V2-V3... which one do I get??!!

What are RBCs?

Anyway, the ProTank 3 is the last tank Kanger made without airflow control--if you like it, I highly recommend getting one of Kanger AFCs--they really work well and no leaks into the battery--they are all sealed on the bottom:

Kanger Air Flow control Valve Base Replacements

My Aerotanks don't have spring-loaded connections. When I have connectivity problems, I use circuit board spacers from MadVapes--they work like a charm.

My Kanger coils last a long time (with occasional cleaning and quick dry burns). but I use clear, clean e-liquids. You know the drill--the sweeter, the darker the juice, the faster it will gunk up the coil.