Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos
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That's how I see it too Lori. I have read that post by Scott before. Except for the Hendu, I only use mods now. I even gave up my Tornado because the mods performed better.
Surprisingly we tested the Hendu last night and it was at 3.6v. So we tested hubby's auto 510 to make sure we were doing it right and it was 3.1v. I guess that shouldn't be a surprise though since Bill says he makes his batteries different, but it does explain why I get the same results with the SS carto on the Hendu battery as I do with it on one of my Lazer mods. All very interesting though. Thanks for the info and link to Scotts thread!!
Surprisingly we tested the Hendu last night and it was at 3.6v. So we tested hubby's auto 510 to make sure we were doing it right and it was 3.1v. I guess that shouldn't be a surprise though since Bill says he makes his batteries different, but it does explain why I get the same results with the SS carto on the Hendu battery as I do with it on one of my Lazer mods. All very interesting though. Thanks for the info and link to Scotts thread!!
Both. I only took them apart to see the proof after i could taste them burning. I was in disbelief at how quickly they soured. I definitely do not recommend the SLB 510 Cartoz (golden threads).
WW....even though your only one person I am SO glad to finally have some backup here 
I always knew and said there was something different about the SS batteries....I even ordered a multimeter just so I could prove it....because even the Riva can't out perform my little Hendu battery for consistant good flavor.
and just think of all the variables...even if two people have the exact same batteries...how old are they each ? how does the person store them? how low does a person let them get before recharging them, are they using a surge suppresor? how reliable is the electrical power in their house,....it almost never ends! This thread has absolutely been valuable...no two ways about that...but yes, at the end of it all it's just going to boil down to what works for you at the time and under your personal circumstances like you have said,WitchWay.
And now to reward myself for all my hard work.....I'm going to make this comment:
Regardles of what you think of someones personality,style of communication or sense of humor it should be fairly easy to distinguish a certain level of integrity throughout a persons posting history. So when someone with demonstrated integrity makes a sudden and drastic change in opinion about something does it not make sense, factoring integrity into the equation, to at least be willing to consider there might be something of value in said change of opinion? dammit....I thought for sure I saw one of those stupid smileys standing on a soap box!!! oh well.....
I always knew and said there was something different about the SS batteries....I even ordered a multimeter just so I could prove it....because even the Riva can't out perform my little Hendu battery for consistant good flavor. and just think of all the variables...even if two people have the exact same batteries...how old are they each ? how does the person store them? how low does a person let them get before recharging them, are they using a surge suppresor? how reliable is the electrical power in their house,....it almost never ends! This thread has absolutely been valuable...no two ways about that...but yes, at the end of it all it's just going to boil down to what works for you at the time and under your personal circumstances like you have said,WitchWay.
And now to reward myself for all my hard work.....I'm going to make this comment:
Regardles of what you think of someones personality,style of communication or sense of humor it should be fairly easy to distinguish a certain level of integrity throughout a persons posting history. So when someone with demonstrated integrity makes a sudden and drastic change in opinion about something does it not make sense, factoring integrity into the equation, to at least be willing to consider there might be something of value in said change of opinion? dammit....I thought for sure I saw one of those stupid smileys standing on a soap box!!! oh well.....
Very well put Lori! All of it Everything is still evolving also. I'm looking forward to the next changes.
ImYourSalt... With all the variables, nothing is going to work the same for everybody. You have to keep trying until you find what works for you, your equipment and your vaping style. You also might find that if you burning them like you say you are, cartos of any type might not be the right choice for you. Only you can tell what is going to work for you.
Katya... *waving* where you been hiding?
Everything is still evolving also. I'm looking forward to the next changes.ImYourSalt... With all the variables, nothing is going to work the same for everybody. You have to keep trying until you find what works for you, your equipment and your vaping style. You also might find that if you burning them like you say you are, cartos of any type might not be the right choice for you. Only you can tell what is going to work for you.
Katya... *waving* where you been hiding?
ImYourSalt...what batteries are you using ? V4L XL with a 11-14 second cutoff time?
Well, got another email from wordupecig, check this out:
Lawsuit as advised by youtube will be filed.
He is the email from youtube with there recommendation the choice is yours you have 72 hours to remove the videos or we will file a lawsuit against you.
We @ YouTube recommend that you file a lawsuit the demeanor of the video in our recommendation is to hurt make & up false accusation of said company in videos.
Pursue any claims you may have directly against the person who posted the
content.
Before you file your law suit would ask you to forward this email to yankee802 and ask him to remove the said videos.If yankee802 does not respond accordingly then file the lawsuit by all means.
Sincerely,
The YouTube Team
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From: patdunn14@gmail.com
Subject: YouTube Legal Support
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:15:00 +0000
I'm pretty sure they are not aware of the fact this country was founded on the right of free speech.
Edit: Here is the first email I got.
Hello Mr. Yankee This Is Pat Manoog.
You Place a Video On you tube about 2 to 3 weeks a go.
This video is False untrue.We Would Ask that you remove this video At once or recant the false info you have on your video.
We Where Retained By Wordupecig to Look in to this matter.
The reason Being Is The Cartomizer you are referring to where made for company you mentioned in said video.
1) there in NO adhesive in the Cartomizer, You stated there Is. FALSE
2)The Reason The Material is not loose is the pattern that they (Wordupecig) Has on the Cartomizer in Question.
3) The Small Hair like material you found in the cartomizers are in all atomizers including RN4081 this cartomizer was build using a whole RN4081 atomizer so if you are educated in this field you should know that those hair are to slow the liquid flow to the battery as they are automatic batteries and the said liquid will enter the battery threw the top where the atomizer connects.
So I will ask you to redo or remove your video at once
Sincerely Patrick R. Manoog
Attorney At Law for Wordupecig
Lawsuit as advised by youtube will be filed.
He is the email from youtube with there recommendation the choice is yours you have 72 hours to remove the videos or we will file a lawsuit against you.
We @ YouTube recommend that you file a lawsuit the demeanor of the video in our recommendation is to hurt make & up false accusation of said company in videos.
Pursue any claims you may have directly against the person who posted the
content.
Before you file your law suit would ask you to forward this email to yankee802 and ask him to remove the said videos.If yankee802 does not respond accordingly then file the lawsuit by all means.
Sincerely,
The YouTube Team
Original Message Follows:
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From: patdunn14@gmail.com
Subject: YouTube Legal Support
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:15:00 +0000
I'm pretty sure they are not aware of the fact this country was founded on the right of free speech.
Edit: Here is the first email I got.
Hello Mr. Yankee This Is Pat Manoog.
You Place a Video On you tube about 2 to 3 weeks a go.
This video is False untrue.We Would Ask that you remove this video At once or recant the false info you have on your video.
We Where Retained By Wordupecig to Look in to this matter.
The reason Being Is The Cartomizer you are referring to where made for company you mentioned in said video.
1) there in NO adhesive in the Cartomizer, You stated there Is. FALSE
2)The Reason The Material is not loose is the pattern that they (Wordupecig) Has on the Cartomizer in Question.
3) The Small Hair like material you found in the cartomizers are in all atomizers including RN4081 this cartomizer was build using a whole RN4081 atomizer so if you are educated in this field you should know that those hair are to slow the liquid flow to the battery as they are automatic batteries and the said liquid will enter the battery threw the top where the atomizer connects.
So I will ask you to redo or remove your video at once
Sincerely Patrick R. Manoog
Attorney At Law for Wordupecig
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Hmmm they are claiming YouTube wrote that email to them? You have to wonder if the legal team at YouTube actually writes that poorly or that's a false email sent to scare you. Just my thoughts. Personally I would leave the video up, but that's just me, I'm stubborn that way
I have seen the video but I do not recall you actually running down the company at all, just the cartomizers.
I have seen the video but I do not recall you actually running down the company at all, just the cartomizers.
But don't they have a point? Are you sure there is glue in that carto? If it's constructed the same as the 510 I'm using right now, there is no glue there. WW showed it very clearly to us; the batting is tucked in, not glued on. I haven't seen your UTtube video: I only saw what you posted here, and the audio went south so I never heard much of your commentary. I can only say that if the Wordup is indeed similar to the 510 from IkenVape, as you stated before, then there is nothing wrong with it. I've spent most of the day trying to burn it without success. It's working just fine, no bad taste or smell, no burning, no problems whatsoever. The draw is maybe a bit duller than that of a 4081 (I think because the top airflow tube is absent in this model), but overall it's great. Not as crisp and sharp as a brand new good kr8, no crackle and pop and sizzle, but plenty of solid vaping.
Think about it before you get yourself in trouble. It's not worth it. Unless you can stand by your statements about the glue and whatever else they have a problem with. Sorry I didn't see the vid, I just don't want you to deal with all this mess. Can you prove that the batting is glued in? Have you tested it?
Think about it before you get yourself in trouble. It's not worth it. Unless you can stand by your statements about the glue and whatever else they have a problem with. Sorry I didn't see the vid, I just don't want you to deal with all this mess. Can you prove that the batting is glued in? Have you tested it?
Salt, (may I call you Salt for short, please?), I noticed you ordered 510 cartos from Litecig. I've never tried those, so I can't comment. But I can tell you that I'm on my 12th hour of nonstop vaping on the 510 carto from IkenVape that WitchWay so kindly sent my way. This thing is impressive, as I briefly noted above. And believe me, I am the carto burner extraordinaire. If anybody can burn a carto, it's me (and, apparently, WitchWay, but I tell you I'm better at it
). I've been using it on my new V4L XL manual battery, which runs around 4.1v freshly charged, then drops to 3.7, and then even lower. These new V4Ls are fantastic and offer a modlike vaping experience at a fraction of the price of a mod. And they also burn cartomizers like crazy, especially for those folks who can take 10-13 sec long drags. I can't. Mine are maybe 5-6 sec. So, if you really want to test what we are all using here, get some from IkenVape, he sells them for $1.80 a piece, but he only has PINK ones in stock... I would offer you one but I don't have any to spare.And follow WitchWay's and Lorikay's advice closely: these are different from kr808s we're both used to. There's a learning curve there (I've learned the hard way--I killed a couple of SS cartos by filling them through the battery end using the condom method, a big no no with these guys.) Take the endcap off, drip some juice in (I managed 20 drops or so), and let it sit. The longer the better. Let the filler saturate properly. Then you just procede like with the kr808s: don't overvape, don't chainvape (have a couple of them going at any given time), refill early and often.
I don't know about the longevity of those cartos, but I don't expect miracles from them. All I want is a carto that I can refill several times without burning it and discard. They are disposables. If I can put 2-4 ml of juice through a carto I'll call it success. I know that a lot of people wash and reuse them, but I'm lazy and also I have this suspicion that after a couple days they may be getting some burn damage, and since one can't see if the damage is actually occurring or not, I'll err on the side of caution.
So the news is not bad, really. The premium, high-resistance kr8s (like the early Turbos and the new "cool" premiums from V4L) have been much improved, if you take necessary precautions (above). The IkenVape 510 is a pleasant surprise and a welcome addition to my mix. The 4081s show also a lot of promise, and I fully intend to revisit and retest all of them, now that I know what I did wrong at the beginning (and because I own two Hendu and one GP batteries, which are very nice indeed).
One last thought: I read somwhere that 1 drop of juice equals about 6 drags off an e-cig. Sounds about right to me. Be aware how much juice you have in your carto. If you only put 10 drops, it's 60 inhalations (shortish). If you take dragonlike 10-13 sec drags, it's half that amount; if you take primer puffs, it's fewer inhalations also--primer puffs burn juice. Refill early and refill often and let the carto rest after a refill, even if it's just for 15 min.
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And believe me, I am the carto burner extraordinaire. If anybody can burn a carto, it's me (and, apparently, WitchWay, but I tell you I'm better at it
Ok I'll let you have that title! Although I did manage to burn a Boge 510 in just over a day. In all fairness to the carto, it was my fault, I was reading and chain vaping and not paying attention. It only takes one puff too many to make them burn.The Soft Cap 510 cartos that LiteCig has right now are the same SLB that IkenVape sells. I got some from LiteCig to make sure, but Shawn said he will have both the SLB and the Boge ones on the site next week when he gets back. Check the LiteCig sub form for a 5% discount while Shawn is on vacation.
I'm glad you are having success with the ones I sent you. I used the GP 4081 you sent on Monday, then put it aside as I have so many new ones to try LOL. I picked it up again and have been using it back and forth with the SS carto for the last 12 hours. Still going good. I am liking the 4081 style, both the SS and the GP. At this point I can't say there is much difference between the two, but the SS might be a tad bit better. I'm going to keep using both for several more days and concentrate on them before I say anything for sure. I haven't managed to burn either one yet though
I've only used the V4L CoolCart for a little bit but it is much better than their regular premium cartos. Those gave me fits. In case anybody is interested, V4L is having a 22% off sale for today only, check their sub forum.
Ok time to go get 4 hours sleep before I have to work again. Thanks again for trading!!!
Happy Vaping!!
And...the Litecig XL KR808 batteries ARE Kanger (good) and have a 8-10 second cutoff(perfect)....$14.95 and no advertising After what I've learned about batteries I'm buying a bunch of these for Mr lorikay13 instead of a mod....because he hates manual batteries.
Yankee.....Katya has a point...and in fact I'm pretty sure it's correct. That is why I asked you to send me one of those cartos...here is what I have learned...the cartos we have all gotten and thought the filler was glued in...it's not. What happens is sometimes when they press fit the threads into the tube the filling gets caught in between the two pieces....and there is no way to pull it out without destroying the carto..but there is no glue. When I say I learned this I mean I took a hacksaw and cut them apart...no one told me this...it's what I saw. I would take down the video. It isn't worth it. This happens all the time on Utube....I wouldn't take it personally.
After what I've learned about batteries I'm buying a bunch of these for Mr lorikay13 instead of a mod....because he hates manual batteries.Yankee.....Katya has a point...and in fact I'm pretty sure it's correct. That is why I asked you to send me one of those cartos...here is what I have learned...the cartos we have all gotten and thought the filler was glued in...it's not. What happens is sometimes when they press fit the threads into the tube the filling gets caught in between the two pieces....and there is no way to pull it out without destroying the carto..but there is no glue. When I say I learned this I mean I took a hacksaw and cut them apart...no one told me this...it's what I saw. I would take down the video. It isn't worth it. This happens all the time on Utube....I wouldn't take it personally.
I am using V4L 280mAh batteries for my 808 Cartos. For the 510's I have been referring to, I bought a Mega Manual 510 battery specially to try these out. Now I'm gonna hafta order some of the Boge carto's so I can get more use out of this thing. (All 5 cartos burned out before the battery even died!!)
And KATYA.... Yes you may call me Salt.
Thanks for all the great info! I am disappointed i had such poor luck with these cartos. I wonder if i just got a bad batch? I have been a carto user for over 6 months, so im pretty sure it isnt user error...
i really wanna check out these SS cartos. Will the 4081 batteries charge in my Universal (510,808 style) charger?
And...the Litecig XL KR808 batteries ARE Kanger (good) and have a 8-10 second cutoff(perfect)....$14.95 and no advertising
I bought 808 mega batts based on Scottbee's Battery Voltage thread. I have been very happy with them.
I'd like to know the answer to this, too. I haven't ordered any 4081 batts (although I do still have my original SE batts, which are 4081 I think). I ordered adapters with my Truman 4081 cartos. Do I remember you, Lori, saying the SS 4081 cartos didn't work as well with an adapter?
Thank you, Salt.
You see, this is what's so baffling to me. I know you're not an inexperienced user. Neither am I. And yet you managed to burn 5 cartos within hours, while I've been vaping the same 510 carto since noon yesterday, without any problems. On the other hand, Lori and Yankee swear by the SS cartos, while I managed to burn 5 in a couple of days, just like you did with the 501s. Go figure. The only explanation I have is that we both got a a bad box, somehow. I understand one or two bad cartos per box, but all five?That was me, complaining about the adapter. The first one I used came to me from Lorikay, I think it was from DSS, it worked OK, but I didn't get a chance to use it long enough to form an opinion. The second one I bought from an establishment that will not be named out of fear of a lawsuit
, and that one was really bad. I ordered two from them, kr808/901>4081 and 510>4081; the 901 works but very poorly, the 510 doesn't work at all. So avoid the unnamed establishment. Your SE is indeed a 4081 and if you still have a charger, it should work with any 4081 battery. I don't know about the universal charger, maybe Lori knows. The good place to buy adapters for 4081 is Good Prophets. I got my kr8>510 adapter there and it's great.
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I jinxed it. So after two days of pretty heavy use, my 510 carto is beginning to show the first signs of deterioration. The draw is becoming harder and harder, and my Blueberry Griddlecake juice tastes more like a griddle than like a cake (not to mention the blueberry). Am I doing something wrong or has its time finally come? I smell nothing burning yet, but I feel as though I'm dangerously close to it.
WhichWay and Lorikay, is my carto on its last legs?
WhichWay and Lorikay, is my carto on its last legs?
You guys (and specifically WW) are right, and I confirmed (for myself) that the SLB 510 and wordupecig cartos are not glued in. (Not that I didn't believe you WW, I had to discect them anyway) Sorry guys, I meant to post the videos, I just forgot about them, and I'm not sure I want to because of the lost audio. The filler is more than pinched though, it's completely wrapped around the bottom disk, then inserted. Ok sure, no glue, but it's no better than any other carto that you can't pull the filler out, and of course that doesn't matter to most, I'm sure.
My whole point is that a) Free Speach, and b) I hate being threatened. If they had ASKED me nicely, I'd have deleted it. So now I feel like letting it ride just for spite.
My whole point is that a) Free Speach, and b) I hate being threatened. If they had ASKED me nicely, I'd have deleted it. So now I feel like letting it ride just for spite.
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