Think of it like this wharf. Your PV runs on marbles. You roll marbles through a garden hose. Suddenly you decide you want to run it on golf balls. OH NO! they dont fit. Get a stick and force em through! Sure they will go but its stressing the hose. Electricity is similar. Your drawing more current through the devices than they are meant to carry. It stresses contact points and electronics. It will work for awhile, eventually youll break the hose.
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It overheats the circuit Wharf. The Pro seems to deal with that. I'm checking on it now. I haven't found anything better than the Fusion either and I'm glad the Ohms have increased on them. Them DCs work good it's just too bad LR is so hard on stuff but Mike and me have tried to make people understand that. Que sera sera.
Well that's great Bo. At least they are telling their customers and keeping them informed. That's very responsible. Plus they are telling them they are meant for 3.7 volt PVs and not the HV mods. I also wonder how many people know about the switch rating or how many have read this. Even if all it does is weaken one of your batteries then it creates an imbalance and the circuit on the battery goes off. That's a whole set of junk batteries because your going to toss both of them. I'm not talking just DCs, I'm talking LR as a whole. One coil, two , six.etc. it's the LR i'm down on and DC just makes them sell better.I haven't read other threads about the DCs so I have no idea what most people are using them on, but this warning is stated on most sites that are selling them:
NOTE: Will not work with eGo, 510, 901 or mosfet driven type batteries. The Dual Coil should to be used with 3.7 volt mods with a switch capable of handling 2 or more amps.
We don't have to worry about that on the Buzz but I wonder how many people even know what their switch is rated, or what a mosfet even means. I like the flavor I'm getting from the DC I have, but am concerned about the stress it is putting on my Buzz. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from using these, I personally don't want to take a chance that the extra work my Buzz is doing is going to mean an early demise to it
Great analogy Ruppy.
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One reason is all I can see. "Heres the new longer coil cartomizer" or " Heres the new Dual Coil Cartomizer" The only reason I can see is that dual coil sounds cooler. They would both create the same thing and acually the DC is harder to make.
Thanks both of you, that makes sense. BUT (I know, I'm supposed to use "and") I am looking for the best vape I can get today. If my pv lasts 1 year of great vaping as apposed to 3 years of OK vaping, I'm ecstatic.
Every pv I have bought, I thought it was the last one I'll ever need
Every pv I have bought, I thought it was the last one I'll ever need
5C I didn't paste the whole thing and I should have so that it isn't taken out of context about not using them on HV. I was trying to touch on the 2amp switch point. Here's the whole enchilada:
510 Dual Coil Mega Cart 1.5 +-.2 ohm, in steel. Dual 3.2 ohm coils in parallel giving a total resistance of approximately 1.6 ohms. These produce great amounts of vapor due to the greater heating area of the dual coils but have less potential to burn due to the higher individual resistance of each coil. Keep them WET! They will burn if you run dry! These hold about 25 drops of e-liquid. New improved filler material is more absorbent. NOTE: Will not work with eGo, 510, 901 or mosfet driven type batteries. The Dual Coil should to be used with 3.7 volt mods with a switch capable of handling 2 or more amps. The Dual Coil work great on 5 and 6 volt devices. Your results may vary and the protection circuits on some batteries at higher voltages may see these as a short and not work.
Ruppy explained it very well LOL.
510 Dual Coil Mega Cart 1.5 +-.2 ohm, in steel. Dual 3.2 ohm coils in parallel giving a total resistance of approximately 1.6 ohms. These produce great amounts of vapor due to the greater heating area of the dual coils but have less potential to burn due to the higher individual resistance of each coil. Keep them WET! They will burn if you run dry! These hold about 25 drops of e-liquid. New improved filler material is more absorbent. NOTE: Will not work with eGo, 510, 901 or mosfet driven type batteries. The Dual Coil should to be used with 3.7 volt mods with a switch capable of handling 2 or more amps. The Dual Coil work great on 5 and 6 volt devices. Your results may vary and the protection circuits on some batteries at higher voltages may see these as a short and not work.
Ruppy explained it very well LOL.
Thanks both of you, that makes sense. BUT (I know, I'm supposed to use "and") I am looking for the best vape I can get today. If my pv lasts 1 year of great vaping as apposed to 3 years of OK vaping, I'm ecstatic.
Every pv I have bought, I thought it was the last one I'll ever need
LOL there is no "last" PV. They are like computers.... There will always be a better model.....
I guess it doesn't matter because people are only going to listen to what they want to hear anyway. I try to keep my fellow vapers informed and I get arguments about facts that are posted in the battery tech sites so I give up. If they don't care I guess I shouldn't either but I will continue to tell people when I find out things they should know.
Showing my ignorance here, what do you expect form a Rat, how does to two 3.6Ω lower resistance?
I don't pretend to understand electronics but here what I see in my head when thinking about regular vs. LR and what I'm asking my Buzz to do. When I hit the switch it's like a lightning strike, the bigger the lightning (LR) the more energy that has to be distributed and dispersed, along with the resulting heat that energy creates. The higher the resistance, the smaller the lightning strike = less work on the internal components.
In my mind I see the left of this pic as LR (more lightning) and on the right is standard resist (less lightning)
Wharf, it lowers the resistance because you are asking your PV to power twice the coil
In my mind I see the left of this pic as LR (more lightning) and on the right is standard resist (less lightning)
Wharf, it lowers the resistance because you are asking your PV to power twice the coil
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DC;s are the current topic on the thread here: and I'm trying to synthesize the info. It seems one has to read between the lines...
hype notwithstanding;
DC's at 1.5 +/-.2,
1. not good for eGo "3.7" pv... that's been debated here.
2. will drain batts, and possibly stress the PV... even the Buzz? ( i think Mike has said they work on the Buzz; implying it's ok?)
Fusions are in the mix too:
2.5 to 3.0 Ohm ... 5card, i think you said they could strain batts and pv; including VV pv's too?
Isn't 2.5 considered regular resistance and not a liability for VV or HV pv's?
I am not a techie, and don't understand the science; but any answers will be appreciated...
hype notwithstanding;
DC's at 1.5 +/-.2,
1. not good for eGo "3.7" pv... that's been debated here.
2. will drain batts, and possibly stress the PV... even the Buzz? ( i think Mike has said they work on the Buzz; implying it's ok?)
Fusions are in the mix too:
2.5 to 3.0 Ohm ... 5card, i think you said they could strain batts and pv; including VV pv's too?
Isn't 2.5 considered regular resistance and not a liability for VV or HV pv's?
I am not a techie, and don't understand the science; but any answers will be appreciated...
Generally the LOWER the OHMS the higher the current draw hence more stress on the system ! Higher ohms = stress LESS !
DC Cartomizers...I hear great things...I almost ordered a few...Not enough resistence for me...Fusions I can take..but mostly leave in the drawer...Hype...well I was thinking about the flavor a few months back...Never quiet got the flavor that little Joye 510 brought too the table....Mind you my taste buds were wrecked...but the flavors were good at first and now a year later lacking...I ordered a fiver of 2.4 Joye 510s...The first one out of the pack almost three months age is sitting here beside me now..Hot as a firecracker!!!! There is absolutely no paint left on it and it hits just like it was the first day...Three drips = a HUGE FOG!!!! Flavor kicks a cartomizer's ......Sometimes a step back can be a leap forward....The Buzz Pro Beta loves the Joye...So do I !!!!!!!!!!!
I have the PV with the screen...I like it too...It's cool and vapes well...I tend too set it and forget it...Maybe bump it up from time too time...Any atty or carto will have a spot where everything comes together..I've found Nirvana between 4.1 and 4.6 mostly...With the dial on the Pro a small bump up or down is no problemo...Tastes like it could be a little better...Bump it up a shade...That made it worse...Bump it down...A little experimentation is all it takes...When I find the sweet spot I screw the screen on and check it for reference...or not!! I find it better too test without a target voltage...For instance I'd been running the Joye at 4.3...When i got the Pro I fiddled with it and got really good flavor with massively long drags...I tested with the screen...4.1...That's where I run it now....In a week that little Joye will be in use 90 days...Beat that or the vapor and taste it produces....
Back on topic!!!!!!!!!
The Buzz Pro is a fandamntastic PV...I quit timing the dang thing and moved into real world testing. It became airborne as I loaded a tractor onto a trailer last week...I'd laid it on the tractor as I unhooked a plow prior too loading..Never did find my cobalt blue drip tip...I did find the Buzz Pro however...Hiding in some leaves...wouldn't you think cobalt would stick out in dead leaves...Hell I'm through crawling around looking...I've dropped it off the ATV and Tractor...I've dropped it on wet sand at the beach...I've lost it several damn times...Mostly though I've hit it like it was my job...well it is kinda...Trust this...I don't play around..When you take one hit I take three...My Buzz was a workhorse...The Buzz Pro is also a workhorse...Getcha self one...You will not regret it...Did I mention the batteries last me on average 12.5 hours..Heck they should last an average vapor 20!!!!!!!!!!!! You simply can't beat that battery time...I get three on one PV...12.5 on the other...Now when I leave at lunch I don't have too run in for batteries...Heck they've only been in there a half day....Beat that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buzz Pro endorsed by The Evel One soon too be enjoyed by Buzz Army members Worldwide!!!!!!! I salute you!!!!!!!!!
I have the PV with the screen...I like it too...It's cool and vapes well...I tend too set it and forget it...Maybe bump it up from time too time...Any atty or carto will have a spot where everything comes together..I've found Nirvana between 4.1 and 4.6 mostly...With the dial on the Pro a small bump up or down is no problemo...Tastes like it could be a little better...Bump it up a shade...That made it worse...Bump it down...A little experimentation is all it takes...When I find the sweet spot I screw the screen on and check it for reference...or not!! I find it better too test without a target voltage...For instance I'd been running the Joye at 4.3...When i got the Pro I fiddled with it and got really good flavor with massively long drags...I tested with the screen...4.1...That's where I run it now....In a week that little Joye will be in use 90 days...Beat that or the vapor and taste it produces....
Back on topic!!!!!!!!!
The Buzz Pro is a fandamntastic PV...I quit timing the dang thing and moved into real world testing. It became airborne as I loaded a tractor onto a trailer last week...I'd laid it on the tractor as I unhooked a plow prior too loading..Never did find my cobalt blue drip tip...I did find the Buzz Pro however...Hiding in some leaves...wouldn't you think cobalt would stick out in dead leaves...Hell I'm through crawling around looking...I've dropped it off the ATV and Tractor...I've dropped it on wet sand at the beach...I've lost it several damn times...Mostly though I've hit it like it was my job...well it is kinda...Trust this...I don't play around..When you take one hit I take three...My Buzz was a workhorse...The Buzz Pro is also a workhorse...Getcha self one...You will not regret it...Did I mention the batteries last me on average 12.5 hours..Heck they should last an average vapor 20!!!!!!!!!!!! You simply can't beat that battery time...I get three on one PV...12.5 on the other...Now when I leave at lunch I don't have too run in for batteries...Heck they've only been in there a half day....Beat that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buzz Pro endorsed by The Evel One soon too be enjoyed by Buzz Army members Worldwide!!!!!!! I salute you!!!!!!!!!
The first Fusions were 2.5 OHM but have since risen but even at 2.5 OHM there was no problems until the centerpost was moved closer to the body of the carto from putting them on and off plus overtightening. Now enter the juice that seems to carry enough of a current to lower the resistance just enough to set off the circuit protection on the Infinity. All them things had to come into play. But now the Ohms are a bit higher so no problems. The Fusions are to me (and I'm Quoting from many people) "The best cartomizer made" today.
FUSIONMAN
Wharf the easiest way to put it is this way: A 3.2 0hm DC takes half the Ohms for each coil. Half of 3.2 Ohms is 1.6 Ohms each.
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Hey 5 card, I like your insight.
Do you have any info on DSE 901 attys? I like them the best (2.8 Ohm at 3.7 to 4.4v)
But they die within one or two weeks on my Provari.... every time.
That's why I am going with the Fusions ...
Do you have any info on DSE 901 attys? I like them the best (2.8 Ohm at 3.7 to 4.4v)
But they die within one or two weeks on my Provari.... every time.
That's why I am going with the Fusions ...
I've never used too many 901s I tried the one Ikenvape makes that everyone is raving about but I'm not a fan of them.
One thing I can tell you is find the carto that you like. It might be the Fusion but it might not be. Everyone has different styles of vaping and like different types of attachments. Some people swear by dripping, and some swear by 6 volt vaping. There are many different ones out there and my only pointer is this. With variable Voltage there is no need for LR stuff because you will get a better vape with variable voltage on the regular resistance or high resistance and your equipment will like it better too.
I'll tell you how this all got started. They came out with the normal, everyday e-cigarette. Then started making XL batteries for longer time on a charge. then bigger batteries like the Riva and ego. Along comes the Mod whitch is a modified E-cig. People started making them and building them more and more and then the retail version started. To compete in an ever growing ever changing market the ecig manufacturers thought if we can't raise the voltage (because of size constraints) we can lower the resistance and mimic the same vape the mods, both home built and retail, are getting. So the people with egos and 510s etc. liked vaping with it. It let them experience the same thing the mods were getting except what they didn't think of was it caused allot more stress on the batteries. I remember when the Mods first started. You were reading about them blowing up from overstress. Then they started recommending batteries with circuit protection on them and the blowing up stopped. Back on the topic, If the LR was this good on regular ecigs I bet they would be better on the mods. They do produce more vapor than a standard ecig cartomizer but it's hotter and not as good as I can get from a higher resistance cartomizer on a variable voltage PV like the Buzz or Infinity (the original VV pv to the market). Plus I'm not creating all the stress on my PV, My batteries, and my lungs from all that hot vapor the LRs produce. I'm right back to having congestion in my lungs from LRs.
Then in my search I found the Fusion and havent found a carto that creates that much vapor that is warm and mellow instead of hot since.
Ikenvape does all he can to improve on attys and cartos in the areas that count.. especially the choice of resistances and hopefully durability.
Not sure how he does it or who does it for him, but there is something about the DSE from China that makes the 901 nice; light, clean, and lots of vapor. They just don't last in my experience. Over the last couple of months I've gone through more than a dozen.
When one dies, i just slap on another, but it's starting to become obvious that they don't hold up.
Most vapers, it seems don't bother much with 901's for some reason.
I liked the old LR's on my 3.7 pv's; 1.8 Ohm...
Iken's version at 2.0 is pretty good... it seems to get a bit hard to draw though. I can't handle his 801's ; heavy draw and big and bulky.
If the Fusions are a 510, with a 801 connector, they should be just that; a 510 carto... i would guess it's got something different in the design, or i'd just get the 510. (since i have to use an adapter to get it on)....
I got some Gold 510 v2 coming so i can compare.
Not sure how he does it or who does it for him, but there is something about the DSE from China that makes the 901 nice; light, clean, and lots of vapor. They just don't last in my experience. Over the last couple of months I've gone through more than a dozen.
When one dies, i just slap on another, but it's starting to become obvious that they don't hold up.
Most vapers, it seems don't bother much with 901's for some reason.
I liked the old LR's on my 3.7 pv's; 1.8 Ohm...
Iken's version at 2.0 is pretty good... it seems to get a bit hard to draw though. I can't handle his 801's ; heavy draw and big and bulky.
If the Fusions are a 510, with a 801 connector, they should be just that; a 510 carto... i would guess it's got something different in the design, or i'd just get the 510. (since i have to use an adapter to get it on)....
I got some Gold 510 v2 coming so i can compare.
Man I knew I shoulda' kept my mouth shut...Just as I logged in too the forum the little 510 bit the dust...Dangitt!!!!!!! If I get good mileage from the next one I'll be stocking a few more soon...
901s...Uke you're correct about the DSEs...I've popped my fair share...Still a good atty...with good vapor and flavor...I've got Iken's as well...Again I'd say you are correct...Pretty good all around but draw does get tight...I despise adapters as well and have been on a 510 kick lately...I need too run a 901 for a day or three.........
901s...Uke you're correct about the DSEs...I've popped my fair share...Still a good atty...with good vapor and flavor...I've got Iken's as well...Again I'd say you are correct...Pretty good all around but draw does get tight...I despise adapters as well and have been on a 510 kick lately...I need too run a 901 for a day or three.........
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