BWB in UFS - not a good experience

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Papa Hoyt

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OK I believe I will step in here and clarify a few things for everyone.

I am the son of a firefighter and a closet pyromaniac I feel that I am somewhat qualified to break this down.

SMOKE is the product of combustion. To get SMOKE you need a flame not just heat. The fire creates both a chemical and physical change to the object it is burning. While something is burning it is releasing vaporized components of its makeup and smoke. Certain vapors that are given off are feeding the fire while others are being released into the air and surrounding environment.

Vapor is created by heat alone with out flame. Without the flame there is no combustion hence no smoke. Most liquids without a flammable component can be heated well past their vaporization point. Liquids with a flammable component can be heated to their vaporization point safely and once you pass that you will reach a flash point where it will be hot enough to ignite the vapors and cause spontaneous combustion. But that is a science lesson for another time.

What we do is vaporize the juice. we heat it to a vaporization point and draw in the vapors from this process, no combustion is taking place.

If you want to do an experiment to see what I am talking about then here is an easy one.

Everyone knows what burnt wood looks like.

Take a can like a paint can, maybe pint sized. cut a 1/4" hole in the center of the lid. put enough wood chips in the can to cover the bottom. you can fill the can to half full if you like but at least cover the bottom so there is enough wood to see what is happening.

place the lid tightly on the can and place it on your stovetop and heat the can.

Once the wood reaches a certain temp it starts to break down and release vapor that can be seen coming through the hole. This will be a clear vapor and not smoke. it will kinda look like gasoline vapors.

Now be very careful as these vapors have a flammable component to them. If you wanted you could actually burn these vapors but for safety reasons do not do this in a house.


I also saw something about the coil getting red hot earlier in this thread.

The coil gets red hot due to the fact it is dry and is not transferring heat to anything. Air is a poor thermalconductor and does not cool very well. That is why we use a liquid coolant in our car engines. Liquids make a great coolant due to their inherent ability to absorb heat. They have a higher thermal conductivity than air.

I assure you the coil does not reach temperatures of 500-600 centigrade as mentioned earlier. that kind of heat would make your lips burnt and and would be to hot for the vapor to use.
 

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Papa, really nice info, thank you very much buddy:)

Burning does not always require flame. Burning is the reaction of a material with oxygen that produce heat. Too much heat produces light like the wire witch I think it reaches at least 500 celsious degrees to my opinion if not more when it goes redhot

Combustion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

flash point of PG is 99 celsious degrees
autoingnition point of PG is 370 celsious degrees

What is flash point? definition and meaning
 
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Papa Hoyt

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Papa, really nice info, thank you very much buddy:)

Burning does not always require flame. Burning is the reaction of a material with oxygen that produce heat. Too much heat produces light like the wire witch I think it reaches at least 500 celsious degrees to my opinion if not more when it goes redhot

Combustion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

flash point of PG is 99 gelsious degrees
autoingnition point of PG is 370 gelsious degrees

What is flash point? definition and meaning

Imeo I am not trying to be rube or mean here but you are trying to walk before you crawl.

Google the "Fire Triangle" and "smoldering" these are the only two ways to have smoke and both are a form of combustion.

Then google "vaporization of liquids" and i believe you will see that they are not the same thing.

I understand that the coil gets red hot.....when it is dry and only when it its dry. When used properly the coil in an atomizer will never get red hot.

It gets red hot because air is a poor conductor of heat and the heat remains in the coil redering it red hot. But if you put some liquid on that same coil and press the switch it stays dark colored. This is because the liquid has a higher thermal conductivity and takes the heat off of the wire. Same concept in our automobiles using a liquid coolant.

Because the heat is not remaining in the coil but being transferred to the liquid then the liquid once it reaches its point where it can absorb anymore heat then starts a physical change from a liquid to a vapor. It is not burning but merely changing its physical property.

As long as you are keeping the coil wet then there is not burning of eliquid but merely rapid heating to the point of vaporization. They are entirely different.

Anyone here that has vaped for more than a day knows that nasty dratty taste when the atty goes dry and we try to vape it. That in fact is a slight burning. Because there is not enough eliquid there to transfer the heat away from the coil then the heat starts to build up at the coil and wick and will start to burn that but only because it is dry.

I hope that my explanations here help you to understand the distinct differences between combustion, vaporization and burning.
 

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I really didn't think this thread would take off in this manner :) But it has been interesting. I too adore BWB flavors, unfortunately it is killing my atomizers :( In the meantime I found some Boge cartos I had and discovered they work well with my UFS or stand alone on my Stealth. Not the intense vapor I want, but good enough to get me by until my new atties and liquid get here, plus I don;t care if I kill a carto. I have managed to vape spill, and dump my way to only ~30ml of BWB left from my original 120ml in 2 weeks! But in the meantime have gone through roughly 4 atomizers. I usually don't clean an atomizer... so considering I am now down to one emergent carto, I am looking at a rebuildable atty next and CE2s... Hopefully my shipment will be here tomorrow!
 
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