CA vote STILL GOING!! - action needed NOW by 5/23/14!

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From: Phil Daman, President of SFATA.

Please step up TODAY to contact the CA House Appropriations Committee
members.

AB 1500 is coming up for a vote TOMORROW (21st) and Reps need to hear
from you all.

As the Bill stands, it would require not only age-verification at time
of online sale to assure buyer is 18+ (we are all fine with that), but
also requires someone 21 or over to be home to sign for the package
delivery. And, the cost for this "Adult Signature Required" service
will tack anywhere from $5-$6 into the cost of every delivery!

This is like a hidden tax. It should be called out as such.

These things are not obvious in the bill because you have to look at
the shipping costs and policies for delivery companies to discover
this fact.

It also creates a bizarre situation where adult smokers under 21 can
pay for a product, but cannot sign for it when it arrives. Where will
those packages end up?? I assume they will end up back at ecig
vendors' doorstep when they are undeliverable? But, they could also
end up sitting in some remote warehouse owned by UPS, FedEx, or USPS,
until someone 21+ goes and picks it up.

That is not good for sellers, but also bad for the health of the high
propensity under-21 crowd of current smokers. This is the age group
where tobacco control feels the lifelong tobacco habit is being
cemented into their lives. Why would this sponsor want to deny this
group of smokers the ability to easily purchase a harm reduction
product or even avoid smoking altogether?

Keep in mind that foreign entities and less-reputable entities will
continue to sell without adhering to the new legal requirements. This
also means that CA will likely be flooded with sub-par products from
suppliers with unscrupulous business practices.

Even adults over 21 will find it difficult to take a day off of work
to sit and wait for their delivery so they can sign the slip. So, this
creates an obstruction to their ability to access the vast number of options for
products online that may really assist their harm reduction plans.

In terms of the process with this bill, the sponsor lied to his fellow
legislators to get it passed out of the last committee. He promised to
address all of these concerns, then refused to do so. Folks that
contact the members of Appropriations should know this and be prepared
to mention that the sponsor has been double-dealing with fellow
legislators to trick them into allowing this bill to move forward.


CASAA: Call to Action! California Ban on Internet Sales (AB 1500) and Ban on E-Cigarette Usage (SB 648)
 

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So basically politicians are saying that 18-20 year old citizens are intelligent enough to elect someone to look out for their interests, but, uh, beyond that they're not smart enough to do much more.

"Hey, kid! Go over there and put yourself in the line of fire in a war while you're waiting to be responsible enough to have e-liquids delivered, and put that beer down!"

I thought we won this 18-20 age group fight about 50 years ago?
 

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I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but when you're calling and emailing the committee members, be sure to emphasize the fact that this bill seeks to impose restrictions on e-cig sales that do not exist for any other non-tobacco nicotine product.

I can send my 10 year old daughter down to Walmart or CVS to legally buy all the nicotine gum and patches she can carry, and nobody in the Assembly seems to have any problem with that.
 

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I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but when you're calling and emailing the committee members, be sure to emphasize the fact that this bill seeks to impose restrictions on e-cig sales that do not exist for any other non-tobacco nicotine product.

I can send my 10 year old daughter down to Walmart or CVS to legally buy all the nicotine gum and patches she can carry, and nobody in the Assembly seems to have any problem with that.

Such a frustrating double standard! They just want their piece of the pie...that is what this is all about. Capitalizing off of a currently striving market.
 

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Such a frustrating double standard! They just want their piece of the pie...that is what this is all about. Capitalizing off of a currently striving market.

You are 100% correct, but the rabbit hole goes much deeper.

There are too many shareholders with too much to lose, coffers that will no longer be stuffed, and it will always infringe upon our rights as free adults.
 

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I am sitting here, late at night, feeling very frustrated at the idea of this bill. I am a student who uses an e-cigarette, as are many other people I attend college with (SIDE NOTE: it's awesome--I've walked by a group of these pretty girls on campus every day for the last 3 months and they are usually standing in a circle smoking analogs but last thursday, 3/4 of them had e-gos!)

Anywhoo--to get to my point--how am I supposed to get liquid delivered to me? While I'm in class? This just won't work.

I mean, at the end of the day I could probably figure it out..

But the whole friggin' point of it angers me. The concept that you could order juice at 18 but not even be able to sign for it is crazy. The obvious point here being that and 18 year old can walk into a liquor store and get a carton of reds and a stack of porn anytime they want...yet they can't even receive mail containing some food-grade liquid and nicotine..effing silly. And what are the UPS guys going to do now..check IDs? Seems like a big ol' waste of time to me!

ugh. i swear...sometimes I just want to move to mexico
 
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Thanks, Mr.Mann.

We're in trouble... We've been fighting this bill for months but not much success so far.

No doubt! Yeah, I debated on that word "hopefully" as I didn't want to discount those that already have been grinding it out, but I think I was sadly considering those that are unaware.
 
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