California -- SB 648 would ban the use of e-cigarettes wherever smoking is banned

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niczgreat

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I called Senator Corbett who is listed as a sponsor of the Bill
and spoke with an assistant.
(916) 651-4010

I was nice and took the attitude, why are they trying to ban something that is saving lives.

Where are the studies that show that 2nd hand vaping is harmful

Why are they lumping combustion of tobacco as being equivalent to heating a liquid to form a vape.

Probably did no good but if enough call and act concerned, not mean or combatitive it might help.
 

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I live in middle TN and realize that even if legislators in other states are more aggressive trying to ban e-cigs we all have to fight the good fight to keep them out of our state/locality. Every online order that I place for ecigs or supplies I include in the comments section of the order either "thank you for supporting ECF and CASAA" or "please support CASAA and ECF by placing links and or banners on your website".
I realize that this is a small effort but we all need to do what we can.

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Well, I was looking for a distraction and tripped onto this. Really, I need to be attending to several major things IRL (ranging from awful to crisis) - but this could be absolutely terrible, too. However, I don't have the time to read 20 pages, and honestly, I wouldn't be able to understand it well anyway. I do not live in one of the districts that might get more consideration - but I am in central CA. I could come up with a letter. Could someone please PM me email and/or mailing addresses where the letters need to be sent and to whom they should be addressed to? I would appreciate it. Hopefully I can put more into this in the not too distant future.
 

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So were they not aware? Because if so, that has me quite worried.

You area is probably the capital of electronic cigarettes.
There are more shops per square inch than anywhere else in the world probably.

And there are large vaping clubs with a lot of presence in the vaping community.
If the vendors there aren't aware yet, that's a big problem.

Hey DC, I'll answer for ManuDawg (my hubby). Most were aware already and if we had not contacted them I am sure they would have been contacted and been made aware very quickly. They are posting on their Facebook pages and ManuDawg and I have gone onto those pages and tried to let the FB fans know that we can fight this. A lot of the FB fans are not on the forums so they are not aware that this is going on all over the Country and that, with the help of CASAA, Bill Godshall and the power and numbers of our fellow Vapers, we have a good shot at beating this bill and ones like it.

We have also made sure that all the people who we have provided with kits and helped to get started vaping, 61 people, are aware of this bill and others like it and are aware of the FDA's intent to issue Deeming Regulations.
 
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Well, I was looking for a distraction and tripped onto this. Really, I need to be attending to several major things IRL (ranging from awful to crisis) - but this could be absolutely terrible, too. However, I don't have the time to read 20 pages, and honestly, I wouldn't be able to understand it well anyway. I do not live in one of the districts that might get more consideration - but I am in central CA. I could come up with a letter. Could someone please PM me email and/or mailing addresses where the letters need to be sent and to whom they should be addressed to? I would appreciate it. Hopefully I can put more into this in the not too distant future.

Hi Junebug79. I just sent you a list of fax numbers along with the link to the Call to Action which shows addresses, fax numbers and e-mails for the Senators. Thanks for getting involved!!
 

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A point to consider: with the passing of this bill, the state of California will be requiring nonsmokers and former smokers to voluntarily subject themselves to the harmful effects of secondhand smoke by requiring them to utilize smoking areas for vaping purposes.

To me, this seems like a blatant health risk.

My letters will be written with that focus, and I encourage others to consider that, too.

I know that for me, I quit smoking to quit smoking. I did not quit smoking to be told by the state to go breathe someone else's fumes.
I had gotten to just above this post earlier, before having to leave the 'puter for a few hours; and had come to an even more serious conclusion---that I could see a potential lawsuit (or at least the threat of one).----Then---
(Just my personal :2c: here.)

Please try to avoid that argument, because the ANTZ have completely lied about and exaggerated the effects of second hand smoke in order to further their prohibitionist agenda and abuse smokers. Why give them any support for their agenda, while simultaneously throwing smokers under the bus? Claims about instant heart attacks from a whiff of smoke and "third-hand smoke" are absolutely ridiculous and scaremongering. No one has ever been shown to have gotten any disease or die from casual exposure to smoke in public venues - especially outside! All of the data they use to estimate the potential harm and "deaths" from SHS are based on studies of non-smokers and former smokers who lived with heavy smokers for 30, 40, 50 years. Please don't reinforce and repeat ANTZ junk science. There are a lot better arguments for not banning public use of e-cigarettes. :)

(There's a reason why you don't see that argument in CASAA suggested talking points.)
Well, as you may take from previous comments of mine, I agree with this measure of SHS "danger", but still, they don't fight cleanly. I think the argument could be made that by THEIR reasoning, THEY are putting the vaper, if not in "danger", at least into a "hazardous" situation. I'd LOVE to see them explain how they AREN'T doing so....

Watch your tongue!
Wish I could like this more than once. :)
 

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I apologize, I was not aware you were referring to the FDA deeming topic. Given that, your statement concerning the acceptance of regulation and taxation is pure fallacy. The FDA does not tax anything. In context, she was refering to state bills set forth to regulate and/or tax ecig suppliers/manufacturers. Look at the Utah bill, and quite a few others. The states are proposing these taxation/regulation measures. If and when the FDA gains dominion over the ecig industry, these laws will be as misquito bites. The entire industry will either be decimated (banned outright and made illegal), or restricted to the point of a handful of manufactures (BT/Pharma/NJoy) monopolizing the market with their 4 approved flavors.
If Vapor and/or its constituent components are deemed "tobacco products", there will be an instantaneous tax imposed in my state. As of this moment, Liquid vendors do not take part in the "tobacco stamp" ordeal; MO is waiting on the feds (FDA), one would assume. While the FDA doesn't apply taxes, if they have the power to push a thing into a category that is (sin)taxed above and beyond a sales tax---which is how it is now here, then they in fact will be causing a rise in taxes.
Careful, we don't want to fall into the ANTZ trap! ;) The ANTZ are sneaky that way. They've stopped saying "harm from smoking" and now use the word "tobacco" instead. That way they get people to forget that the goal used to be to get people to quit SMOKING to reduce health risks, not vilify all tobacco/nicotine and consumers and convince people that all tobacco has equal health risks. But WE know now that is a lie. The goal of CASAA is to get the truth out that we CAN decrease the harms of SMOKING with other tobacco products - low risk alternative tobacco products such as smokefree tobacco and e-cigarettes that contain tobacco-derived nicotine.
Which is why some don't understand why they should play their slimy game. They won't use logic or reason, they won't play fair, and they don't care about our health. First and foremost we should never allow any conversation on the subject pass without saying first, and loudest that we are NOT SMOKING. This is not, then technically "reducing the harm" of smoking. It is reducing harm to ex-smokers. Doesn't matter if they can wrap their twisted little minds around the truth. What is IS.
I actually agree with this. You can't play fair with Bureaucrats. It's a high stakes game that one can't win if you stay within the box. Assuming that there shouldn't be any regulations on ecigs puts us in a position of what is right, not what is politically correct. Do I believe that regulations are inevitable? Yes I do, and we should prepare for such. But we don't have to tell them that nor have them see us acknowledge it.
I agree with much of ^this^. It encapsulates the frustration of many of we "Leave Me Alone-ists" If I'm wrongly to be put to death, and my captor says I can choose hanging or electrocution, I will not take part in that choice. I'll try to escape, no matter the odds. I won't bad-mouth or belittle someone who pleas for my life or works to make the execution more humane, but don't ask me to condone it or take part in the process and give it credence.
 

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Perhaps after everyone has written a civil letter or email, it would be a good time to sit back and have a vape. Tell others what's going on and how to help, but don't get spun up, argumentative and snippy with each other about it. Hopefully our elected officials will have clear heads and make good decisions. After public action like letter writing, and short of civil protests, there isn't much left to do but hope and wait.
 

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Heavens, it's so HARD to avoid falling into a pit of depression. I had a cigarette this morning. Do I have to take down my banner?

You're not the only one who has had a cigarette lately
Put that down NOW--you're making ME depressed.

What do you believe will happen if we stop calling them e-cigarettes?

It's a little too late for that. That die has already been cast
We can move public opinion--one thinking person at a time. It's the ONLY way real change ever happens.
 

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We can move public opinion--one thinking person at a time. It's the ONLY way real change ever happens.

So, you believe calling them something other than "electronic cigarettes" will change public opinion of them? Many people may not be aware that the ANTZ already are trying to change the name to fit their own agenda. They don't even call them "e-cigarettes." They are calling them "ENDS" which is an acronym for "Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems." So, apparently what WE call them has no effect whatsoever on their attitude, because they are even trying to ban "ENDS."

Honestly, I don't believe for one minute changing what we call them will help anything. It's how they LOOK and what they DO that offends people. As long as they deliver nicotine, look like smoking and create a visible vapor, public attitudes will not change because of what they are called. "A rose by any other name" and all that. (We've already heard them say "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...." ) What we DO need to work on changing is people's attitudes and beliefs about nicotine use and tobacco harm reduction. Once they know the truth about nicotine and smokeless alternatives (low health risks, not all equally harmful, it's NOT smoking) THEN there will be acceptance. Otherwise, simply creating a more innocent-sounding name is just lipstick on a pig to them.
 

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There must be thousands of threads on the ECF where someone brought up
the suggestion we should call e-cigarettes by another name. Every one of
the discussions went Nowhere !! ... Reason is just plain obvious !!
The world knows them as Electronic Cigarettes or e-cigarettes or Fake cigarettes.

Won't be long before this subject will come up again.
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As long as they deliver nicotine, look like smoking and create a visible vapor, public attitudes will not change because of what they are called. "A rose by any other name" and all that. (We've already heard them say "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...." ) What we DO need to work on changing is people's attitudes and beliefs about nicotine use and tobacco harm reduction. Once they know the truth about nicotine and smokeless alternatives (low health risks, not all equally harmful, it's NOT smoking) THEN there will be acceptance. Otherwise, simply creating a more innocent-sounding name is just lipstick on a pig to them.

The most-common thing people say to me when they find out I vape is "But it still has nicotine, right? So it's still carcinogenic and all that." -- nobody but firefighters seem to know that smoke inhalation is the actual harm.
 

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The most-common thing people say to me when they find out I vape is "But it still has nicotine, right? So it's still carcinogenic and all that." -- nobody but firefighters seem to know that smoke inhalation is the actual harm.

I know, right? "So, when are you going to quit?" Um, they seem to miss the point that I *like* nicotine. That's probably one reason I smoked for 30 years. So, that's what I tell them. It's not an intoxicant, it's legal, relatively harmless to me, and virtually harmless to people around me. I'm good.
 

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Most of America seems to forget that we were founded by the people, for the people. As long as we accept the tripe the govenment shoves down our throat they will continue to do so and more of it. Don't sit back and accept any of this. Fight it tooth and nail. The same as silence is taken as agreement if you say oh well or say nothing then you are indirectly agreeing to what is being done.
 
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