Called out in staff newsletter...

[stevegmu]

Did you know there are stealth juices available? They are specially designed to produce vapor on inhale but none on exhale so you don't accidentally exhale any vapor as you might trying to stealth a regular juice. Also there are key chain PVs.... tiny, tiny things. Unless your ANTZ coworker was watching you like a hawk no one would ever know and even if they suspected, they couldn't prove it.

Thanks, I'll look into that.

 

[RosaJ]

What would be ideal would be for e-cigarettes to be approved as smoking cessation devices. Is there any progress on this? Getting an inhaler isn't a problem- my work pays 100% for any approved smoking cessation device- nic inhalers, the patch, gum, Chantix and even sessions with a smoking cessation 'expert.'
I don't mind waiting for break to vape- I'd rather just not have to leave the property- especially in winter and bad weather.
The problem is, everything comes from corporate. 150000+ employees worldwide. No matter how supportive supervisors and managers may be at my location, they don't have the power to do anything in this case. I may put in an inquiry to the ombudsman to get some more clarification on e-cigarettes.
Until the day vaping is no longer lumped into the same category as cigarette smokers, I don't think anything will change.

That's exactly what the FDA wants to do. They would put it through the system, require studies that take years to analyze, and then make it as expensive as they want to recover the research and development they've spent. Is that what you want? To not have access to ecigs for the next 5 to 10 years while they're doing all that?

 

[BillyTheWild]

MY EMPLOYERS'S Tobacco Free Workplace policy applies to all tobacco products, which include but are not limited to, smoking (e.g. cigarettes, pipes, cigars, etc.) and/or using smokeless tobacco (e.g. snuff, chew, dip, e-cigarettes, etc.).

Wow, they ban snuffing and chewing tobacco also! How can they justify that? Snuffing and chewing tobacco don't affect anyone but the users themselves.

 

[stevegmu]

That wouldn't work, then.
I'm working on a letter now to the Ombudsman at corporate to get as much information concerning the policy as I can. If it really just comes down to they are banned on company property because they mimic smoking, maybe I can see about getting that changed.
So for now, it seems, vaping will be considered smoking in many public places. If a study is done, vaping as we know it could end. If one isn't done, we'll be lumped together with cigarette smokers.

 

[Kataphraktos]

I think after all of these posts, I have come to a simple conclusion.
I am not upset about not being able to vape inside of my employer's building, whether i am alone or around others... I am simply dissapointed in the fact that the few people that did see me and spoke with me about it were supportive and encouraging, but 1 (don't know who, how many or care to know) complained about it and screwed it all up for the rest of us. And my employer, instead of speaking to me/us regarding the situation, put it out like breaking news for everyone to know that "I" was being banned from doing this horrible thing to myself and others. Like stated before I am sure they probably wear toxic perfume that gives me a headache, but I never said anything about it to them or anyone else. Live and let live!

Thanks for helping me quit!

Frustration level:HIGH but slowly decreasing.

I would file a formal complaint. What's good for the vaping goose is good for the Chanel-drenched trollop gander.

 

[Myk]

What would be ideal would be for e-cigarettes to be approved as smoking cessation devices. Is there any progress on this? Getting an inhaler isn't a problem- my work pays 100% for any approved smoking cessation device- nic inhalers, the patch, gum, Chantix and even sessions with a smoking cessation 'expert.'
I don't mind waiting for break to vape- I'd rather just not have to leave the property- especially in winter and bad weather.
The problem is, everything comes from corporate. 150000+ employees worldwide. No matter how supportive supervisors and managers may be at my location, they don't have the power to do anything in this case. I may put in an inquiry to the ombudsman to get some more clarification on e-cigarettes.
Until the day vaping is no longer lumped into the same category as cigarette smokers, I don't think anything will change.

I think the cessation ship has sailed and nobody desires that except the FDA.
In '09 they made it pretty clear they would like to get their hands on it as a medical device so they could bury it under a bunch of red tap that nobody could afford (which they'd still like to do as a new tobacco product).
I think the closest it will come to that is like has been done with snus, "Here's a tobacco product with low risk of harm that can get you off cigarettes."

If they're including snus I think anything changing on ecigs is nearly hopeless for you.

Maybe if doctors and insurance got behind it things would change.

That wouldn't work, then.
I'm working on a letter now to the Ombudsman at corporate to get as much information concerning the policy as I can. If it really just comes down to they are banned on company property because they mimic smoking, maybe I can see about getting that changed.
So for now, it seems, vaping will be considered smoking in many public places. If a study is done, vaping as we know it could end. If one isn't done, we'll be lumped together with cigarette smokers.

Studies are a good thing. More proof that they aren't harmful means more public support and more importantly, support in the courts for a judge to say there is no grounds for the FDA to ban them.

As far as a policy of mimicking, that tells you an ANTZ is behind it. I doubt if you could even get someone like that to change the policy. Not even wanting to allow snus is right out of the ANTZ playbook. Somebody high up probably had someone die of cancer and gives a lot of their time and money to some ANTZ organization.

 

[DC2]

Wow, they ban snuffing and chewing tobacco also! How can they justify that? Snuffing and chewing tobacco don't affect anyone but the users themselves.

Welcome to our world.