Yeah I can see stealth vaping being much more polite. For some reason all I could think about is someone chucking clouds with a beef setup lol.I meant to reply to this point earlier.
Just want to say that I agree about respecting others wishes to some extent -- to a great extent, in fact.
But my experience is that it is possible to RESPECTFULLY and gently and pleasantly explain vaping to people who simply and innocently don't know about it. This can work.
So, I'd like to just highlight this available option, also.
Basis of corporate/business policies on vaping/e-cigs?
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I also find myself in agreement with Romano Cheese. People vote with their money and their feet. Yes, it's their business, and their property, but the public will respond to their policies with their wallets. I don't vape anywhere I would not have smoked, and I don't give my business to anti-vaping establishments either.
Ah! Apologies. But ... you don't deny the rest of my characterisation!
I really don't care to respond to it.
Thanks for the clarification.
And thanks for offering to look for the photo. I hope it's not a hassle for you.
Do you know if this ban is a legal ban -- i.e. prohibited by law -- or is it that businesses have chosen to make it their policy?
No problem. I don't see it in any of my pics.
It's a real issue with smokers lighting up when they see vapers. This is one thing I worry about in Prague. Vaping isn't remotely seen by the population as smoking, but tourists don't get it sometimes and feel they should be able to smoke where only vaping is allowed, or tourists complain when they see vapers in non smoking sections...
It is possible by law next year pubs and restaurants will have to have a sticker in the window if they allow smoking, so the rabid anti smoker tourists know to stay away. I'll check with the Vapers Club next time and see if they can get some stickers made up and have businesses place them in the windows/doors of establishments where vaping is allowed, but smoking not...
What you say about the problem with tourists is very interesting.
Stickers! What a great idea!
Something that visually represents: Smoking = No. Vaping = Yes. ??
What is the Vapers Club? Is this a pro Vaping activist group in Prague?
It's pretty much the way it is in the U.S. Lots of places are passing laws banning vaping indoors. As far as businesses and workplaces they can and do make their own rules, in the absence of laws. If a place of business decides they don't want to allow vaping then there is no vaping.
Debating the pros and cons of vaping pretty is pretty much a waste of time. IMHO
Debating the pros and cons of vaping pretty is pretty much a waste of time. IMHO
The tourists try to ruin everything. Prague would be taped off and condemned if it were in the US. Steps aren't even anywhere, there are cobblestones, public drinking is normal, pubs and clubs can stay open and serve alcohol as late as they want, or never close, brothels are allowed and publicly advertised, as are casinos, even other stuff... 2 people get in a fight- say one is defending the honor of a lady, the police just check to make sure the loser isn't dying if they happen to be in the area and send the combatants off in different directions. It is a colorblind society. My buddy Franklin, a big black dude who I hang out with in Prague when we happen to be in town at the same time, said he feels more welcomed and accepted in Prague than at home in Philly. Basically a free society...
They aren't into activism so much- there's really no need. Smoking is normal, although prohibited in certain public places- like museums, government buildings, the metro and it is up to individual restaurants or pubs to allow smoking or not.Since smoking is normal, vaping is as well, more so even.
They are just a social club and have vape events- like vape cruises, parties, meets at various pubs throughout the city in the evening...
Thanks for the link to the law page. Just had a read through these utterly stupid and utterly crappy set of laws!
These laws almost completely treat smoking and vaping as identical!
That means they are built on falsehoods.
So much for those on this thread who argue that it is sufficient to "vote with your feet".
Who are satisfied with merely taking their cafe and restaurant business elsewhere.
There is no "elsewhere" when such a ban is allowed to cover almost every nook and cranny of an entire city.
Anyway, thank you for helping me understand the New Orleans situation better.
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It will be everywhere in the US eventually. The anti smokers have pushed for these clean air acts and now e-cigs have been included in them or amended to include them...
It is a legal ban. The prohibition of smoking or vaping in bars and casinos was made law by the city this spring. The ban in other places has been in effect for some time. A Harrah's Casino is not happy because their numbers have drastically dropped.
Whether or not it's a waste of time:
I believe it is wrong to ban indoor vaping.
And I believe it is wrong for businesses to prohibit vaping.
I would like to understand why the vaping industry -- manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers -- are proving to be so ineffective in contesting this fascistic trend.
Most are in China, the big e-liquid manufacturers in the US are getting ready for possible FDA regulations, many of the little ones don't care and are just out to get as much profit as they can, as they have no hope of compliance...
Most B&Ms are a joke- guys sitting around with their buddies blowing clouds laughing at those who come in looking for cartos, the activists are all talk and no legal action...
Years and years of anti smoking campaigns have created an impossible situation when it comes to unfettered vaping...
Thanks for that information.
Would you happen to know whether any formal objections to the ban were submitted?
Did the vaping industry at least TRY to mount a counter-argument?
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Update: I've just provided a link I just came across of an industry body's submission to the FDA:
Basis of corporate/business policies on vaping/e-cigs? | Page 4 | E-Cigarette Forum
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I see. You expose a very sad state of affairs. Very sad, indeed.
My deeper concern is that if something as harmless as vaping can be steam-rolled so thoroughly, what other free choices can and will also be crushed?
Vaping addresses almost all of the original anti-smoking arguments.
But now the goal posts are getting moved. That's cheating.
I just came across this submission (August 2014) to the FDA by the American E-Liquid Manufacturing Standards Association (AEMSA )
http://www.aemsa.org/wp-content/upl...ents-to-Proposed-Deeming-Regulation-Final.pdf
I'll read through it tomorrow as I'm very curious to see how the Vaping industry approaches these issues.
What I notice upon skimming through it is that AEMSA is particularly concerned with differentiating vaping from smoking and argues that they are sufficiently different so as to warrant a different regulatory approach.
Anyway, to be continued.
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