CALLING OUT ALL MECH MOD MANUFACTURERS
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Statistically mech mods are safer than Volvos. By a landslide.
It's a well known fact that Michael Schumacher always drives 5mph under the speed limit.
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Nothing is 100% safe. Not even an infant's pacifier .
However,
I have over 90 mech mods and probably 20 lbs of RBAs.
They are all safe in my hands.
I wasn't born with this knowledge, I took the time to educate myself before getting started.
Ive never had a mech fail, unintended venting of a cell, because i know what im doing.
Thats not arrogance its a fact.
Chainsaws err... Mechanicals are only safe when the user is qualified to handle the equipment.
Badditude, drilling holes in the tops of mods is a Band-Aide
The only cure is education.
You see its not the mechanical mod that is the problem, its the user.
That fact is, most people are not qualified to use a mech.
Their ego and sense of entitlement causes them to ignore basic warnings, and thats when they get hurt.
And Sadly the last one I reported Blew out the Bottom of the Battery.Mechanical Mods should be made of sufficiently Dense materials to with stand a High pressure release while providing adequate Ventilation at Both extremes to SAFELY release gasses in a Volatility Battery Failure.
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I agree.....
It is thread failure in the mechanical mod that would allow the top cap or button to be blown off. Increased wall thickness to allow for larger threads would fix this issue (maybe). Along with ventilation at both ends like you stated possibly away from the user.
There was a time when we needed mechanical mods to acquire the vape quality we desired. Regulated devices were to weak to create the effect we were after and in most cases the devices were far out of financial reach or just unavailable to purchase because of shortages. I remember wanting a Dna12, Dna20, Dna30 and never was able to get one until last year when I was able to get a Dna40. Today its just not the case as regulation has taken over the market and is very affordable.
I think that OP's concerns and suggestions should be heard. A month ago I would not have said that but with the FDA regs being passed we may need to fall back upon mechanical mods again, whether it be from manufactured devices or from underground modders.
My own personal feelings about my gear is I use mechanicals daily and will continue to do so. I do not worry about a venting battery in them anymore so than I do my regulated devices. But I do not vape bellow .30 ever.
Proper ventilation has got to be a good thing in my opinion.
Can't see any downside.
I'll take hot gas and flames over hot gas, flames and shrapnel any day.
Adding an appropriate fuse or hot spring by default would offer more protection to the average user.
This would stop the battery from going into thermal runaway in the first place.
I'll take a blown fuse or collapsed spring over hot gas and flames any day.
Advanced users could always bypass this at their own risk should they wish to.
Making things safer by design reduces the risk to both the uneducated and advanced user.
Can't see any downside.
I'll take hot gas and flames over hot gas, flames and shrapnel any day.
Adding an appropriate fuse or hot spring by default would offer more protection to the average user.
This would stop the battery from going into thermal runaway in the first place.
I'll take a blown fuse or collapsed spring over hot gas and flames any day.
Advanced users could always bypass this at their own risk should they wish to.
Making things safer by design reduces the risk to both the uneducated and advanced user.
I approach safety with a layered or ring architecture. I do everything within my knowledge to prevent a vent, but I have extra vent holes anyway. I could pulse outside CDR but I don't. I could use a fake hybrid 510, but mostly I choose not to.
I sit in ring zero of my safety model, but I choose to have the outer rings anyway because it's easy and it gives me peace of mind.
I sit in ring zero of my safety model, but I choose to have the outer rings anyway because it's easy and it gives me peace of mind.
So would those measures stop accidents?
Or would we just treat the symptoms instead of curing the disease?
Looks DO matter when it comes to mechs, turning em into swiss cheese doesn't appeal to my sense of beuty.
I know we're living the days of daily Darwin awards, but I fail to see how making everything foolproof would be the solution, the fools just find new holes to stick their private parts into to get stuck/cut off.
Or would we just treat the symptoms instead of curing the disease?
Looks DO matter when it comes to mechs, turning em into swiss cheese doesn't appeal to my sense of beuty.
I know we're living the days of daily Darwin awards, but I fail to see how making everything foolproof would be the solution, the fools just find new holes to stick their private parts into to get stuck/cut off.
Air bags, like Hot springs, will not prevent an accident...but they do allow most to survive the "unexpected".
It's about mitigating harm...not removing it.
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Yes, but those also give us false sense of immortality.
With added safety features I can take additional risks, since my car is going to compensate for me beign stupid!
Granted it never is that simple.
With added safety features I can take additional risks, since my car is going to compensate for me beign stupid!
Granted it never is that simple.
Reverse battery, 'top' pointing away from user, thus seated directly at the vent of the mod's bottom. Run a wire to where you screw your atty in, done. Depending on the wire, it will add a little ohmage.
100% safe? No. But a little safer in the e-vent of a vent.
But if one insists on walkin the razor's edge and falls off don't come whining.
Oh, I forgot : In case of a serious mishap one probably won't have a mouth left to whine.
'My buddies thought I was cool' makes a lousy inscription on a head stone.
I prefer a little less cool and in one piece anytime.
100% safe? No. But a little safer in the e-vent of a vent.
But if one insists on walkin the razor's edge and falls off don't come whining.
Oh, I forgot : In case of a serious mishap one probably won't have a mouth left to whine.
'My buddies thought I was cool' makes a lousy inscription on a head stone.
I prefer a little less cool and in one piece anytime.
No.
Thats how a pipe bomb works.
Thats not an exaggeration.
The pressure inside a venting nech mod is no joke.
If the threads didnt fail the tube would split and explode sending shrapnel flying..
How much pressure builds up before the threads fail?
How much is this going to differ with different materials, say copper vs stainless?
How much is it going to differ with different threading?
Are a few well placed holes not the most simple and effective solution?
Years ago I started a thread about where we were heading with this sub ohm craze looming over us. It was just recently closed.
The other night I started a thread about safely checking the resistance below 1 ohm. I have a very nice Mac tools DVM, but I don't trust it below a half ohm. The only real answer I've gotten is to use a regulated mod. After watching one of Grim Greens reviews where he put the same atty on four devices and got four different readings, I've lost faith in that.
I've used mechs for years, still do, love them! But I don't build anything below .7 and I'm good there, I don't need to chase clouds, I want to quit smoking, not impress my buds.
Now, for those of you that think you are immune to a battery vent or explosion because you use a regulated mod, I've got news for you! If you are using a multiple battery mod and aren't marrying your batteries, you are in just as much danger as the kids blowing clouds! One battery may have a higher output, the other a lower output and the lower one will get stressed, BOOM! It's no different than a noisy cricket in that instance! Go check out candle power forums and see how many flashlights have blown up because someone put a used battery in with some new ones!
I do not own, nor do I ever plan to, own a mod that takes multiple batteries. None of my flashlights that use RCR batteries take multiple batteries. I don't want to play that game anymore.
I'm afraid we are going to see more problems with the multiple battery regulated mods in the very near future, as the batteries start to wear and aren't kept in matched sets. I hope I'm wrong, but there is nothing inherently safe when dealing with batteries of this nature. All uses of them require care and diligence.
The other night I started a thread about safely checking the resistance below 1 ohm. I have a very nice Mac tools DVM, but I don't trust it below a half ohm. The only real answer I've gotten is to use a regulated mod. After watching one of Grim Greens reviews where he put the same atty on four devices and got four different readings, I've lost faith in that.
I've used mechs for years, still do, love them! But I don't build anything below .7 and I'm good there, I don't need to chase clouds, I want to quit smoking, not impress my buds.
Now, for those of you that think you are immune to a battery vent or explosion because you use a regulated mod, I've got news for you! If you are using a multiple battery mod and aren't marrying your batteries, you are in just as much danger as the kids blowing clouds! One battery may have a higher output, the other a lower output and the lower one will get stressed, BOOM! It's no different than a noisy cricket in that instance! Go check out candle power forums and see how many flashlights have blown up because someone put a used battery in with some new ones!
I do not own, nor do I ever plan to, own a mod that takes multiple batteries. None of my flashlights that use RCR batteries take multiple batteries. I don't want to play that game anymore.
I'm afraid we are going to see more problems with the multiple battery regulated mods in the very near future, as the batteries start to wear and aren't kept in matched sets. I hope I'm wrong, but there is nothing inherently safe when dealing with batteries of this nature. All uses of them require care and diligence.
Let's face it, if you want safer mech usesage, in general terms, in the midst of booming popularity amongst the 'young turks', the mod needs to be held at arms length and away from the face with some sort of long pipe type of drip tip like a hookah.. when in use, and never placed in ones pocket and ideally should lock itself each time the fire button is released.
Here's my XUV, think it's got enough ventilation?
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