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I had so much fun wrapping my mini, I wanted another one to play with.
(I wasn't allowed to have Barbies when I was little)
I wasn't allowed to have Barbi's when I was little either. Bahahahahaha
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She is just 17, so will be 18 and very soon be off to college and old enough to be making her own decisions and choices.
On one hand I don't want to be contributing to her possibly gaining a new "learned behavior" (vaping non-nicotine e-liquid) that might be habit forming (if only in the sense of being dependent psychologically, and that is not a proven fact). I know, that point is debatable and controversial all in itself. This is likely my own biased thought process affecting my feelings on this subject.
On the other hand, she will be old enough to make an informed decision herself. She's well aware of the pitfalls of tobacco and smoking. She's also seen her older friends smoking and vaping socially. These friends of hers (18 and over) had frequently seen me vaping my mods and went out on their own without any assistance from me and found some sort of e-cigs online to purchase and use in place of cigarettes. I have to admit I admire their choice to vape instead of smoke that they made at that age. Best choice would have been to do neither, I know, but such is not human nature.
My daughter has always asked to try my new flavors, which I obliged. But her experience vaping has been limited to that. Not unlike allowing a teen a taste of wine or champaign from time to time even though underaged in this country. Then she would always say she wanted her own device, which I would always reply with, "Once you are eighteen, you'll be old enough to buy your own." Well, that day will very soon be upon us.
I'd rather she vape no-nicotine flavors than smoke, like many of her friends, and as I said, like her 19 year old brother does. If I know that she is going to vape regardless of what mixed feelings I may have of that, I feel obligated as her father with a vast knowledge of e-cigs to offer my knowledge of which ones would best fit her expectations and situation.
Are you absolutly positive she's not already smoking? The reason I ask is because I was a closet smoker when I was younger. I hid it very well from my parents. My bet would be that she is already smoking and is looking for a way (by asking for non-nicotine liquid) for you to be OK with her vaping. I hope this doesn't affend you! I could be totally off base!
I can't see any reason for a non smoker (edit: non nicotine user) to start vaping. I would question her seriously about if she is smoking. If she is, then by all means, get her a PV!
kikiashelle
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She is just 17, so will be 18 and very soon be off to college and old enough to be making her own decisions and choices.
On one hand I don't want to be contributing to her possibly gaining a new "learned behavior" (vaping non-nicotine e-liquid) that might be habit forming (if only in the sense of being dependent psychologically, and that is not a proven fact). I know, that point is debatable and controversial all in itself. This is likely my own biased thought process affecting my feelings on this subject.
On the other hand, she will be old enough to make an informed decision herself. She's well aware of the pitfalls of tobacco and smoking. She's also seen her older friends smoking and vaping socially. These friends of hers (18 and over) had frequently seen me vaping my mods and went out on their own without any assistance from me and found some sort of e-cigs online to purchase and use in place of cigarettes. I have to admit I admire their choice to vape instead of smoke that they made at that age. Best choice would have been to do neither, I know, but such is not human nature.
My daughter has always asked to try my new flavors, which I obliged. But her experience vaping has been limited to that. Not unlike allowing a teen a taste of wine or champaign from time to time even though underaged in this country. Then she would always say she wanted her own device, which I would always reply with, "Once you are eighteen, you'll be old enough to buy your own." Well, that day will very soon be upon us.
I'd rather she vape no-nicotine flavors than smoke, like many of her friends, and as I said, like her 19 year old brother does. If I know that she is going to vape regardless of what mixed feelings I may have of that, I feel obligated as her father with a vast knowledge of e-cigs to offer my knowledge of which ones would best fit her expectations and situation.
My personal opinion, (Im 23 started smoking analogs when I was 19) is that she would be way more unlikely to EVER go to analogs if she is vaping. BECAUSE who wants to inhale an ashtray when you can vape deliciousness? The only possible problem would be her getting juice with nic in it. But honestly I would rather have my child vaping rather than smoking anyday. Its a very difficult decision, but it would probably be better to get her a quality device that will last, a no nic juice, before she has to make the decision to nic or not. If she finds nic free satisfying and loves it she will be less likely to switch. Also since you have experience she would enjoy the experience much better working with you about learning about delivery devices etc. Also instead of creating a war, you two can bond together over this. If she really wants one, I would get her started now, on nic free and make it fun. If her friends are already doing it, she's probably going to follow, so make it as safe as you can
Good luck, I don't envy your position. But (if you are married) I would also discuss this with your spouse lol. Or a war will be sure to follow anyways
kikiashelle
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Okay...
I had so much fun wrapping my mini, I wanted another one to play with.
(I wasn't allowed to have Barbies when I was little)
Aw! I love it! I really already want another one so I can get different wraps, and my first provari has not even been shipped yet! I'm in trouble!!!
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I am not going to comment on Altsmoke BB or any other product / brand. You know more about products and brands than I every will. I trust your judgement on that.
If there is a chance in heck that she will pick up a pack of cigarettes, then I would have a pv ready & waiting for her. Anything is better than having her pick up a pack cigs. You may, or may not want her to vape. You stated she wants her own mod. I have to believe she has thought about this or she would not have asked for her own mod.
You stated her friends smoke. Her brother smokes. She is exposed to smoking and if I were you, I would do anything I could to prevent her from joining them. If she starts vaping, I don't think she will be inclined to gag her way through a pack of cigarettes. She may serve as a role model and get some of her friends off cigs and into pv's.
This is a chance for you to be proactive for your daughter. You & I did not have this chance when we were growing up. Get it ready. Be prepared, so you Can be proactive in your daughters health and life choices.
Hope I have not overstepped my bounds with this message to you. You know what is best, but I respectfully request you consider my thoughts on the issue.
Happy Vaping,
Paula
My daughter wants her own mod to vape no-nicotine, flavored e-juice. She is a non-smoker, so I am in a personal flux on whether to get her one for her upcoming birthday to keep her from smoking like many of her friends and her brother (my son).
I've been thinking of getting her an Altsmoke BB with a couple of cartotanks and some non-nicotine e-juice. Thoughts?
I am not going to comment on Altsmoke BB or any other product / brand. You know more about products and brands than I every will. I trust your judgement on that.
If there is a chance in heck that she will pick up a pack of cigarettes, then I would have a pv ready & waiting for her. Anything is better than having her pick up a pack cigs. You may, or may not want her to vape. You stated she wants her own mod. I have to believe she has thought about this or she would not have asked for her own mod.
You stated her friends smoke. Her brother smokes. She is exposed to smoking and if I were you, I would do anything I could to prevent her from joining them. If she starts vaping, I don't think she will be inclined to gag her way through a pack of cigarettes. She may serve as a role model and get some of her friends off cigs and into pv's.
This is a chance for you to be proactive for your daughter. You & I did not have this chance when we were growing up. Get it ready. Be prepared, so you Can be proactive in your daughters health and life choices.
Hope I have not overstepped my bounds with this message to you. You know what is best, but I respectfully request you consider my thoughts on the issue.
Happy Vaping,
Paula
I miss my kids sooooooo much when they were little. They are all grown up, now.
Andy
I have a 15 month old and another on the way. Threads like these make me very nervous.
Well, I feel extremely fortunate that I have a close, honest, trusting relationship with my daughter. She is far more mature than her older brother is. We do talk to each other, and listen to each other, and respect each other's feelings and opinions. I know that she is a recreational "smoker", and I'm not talking tobacco here. This activity appears to be quite prevalent and has absolutely no stigma attached to it among her peers. She and her friends were quite excited with the relaxation of the laws for that activity in a few states recently. I'm quite certain she's not smoking tobacco at this time.
Most of her friends smoke tobacco, at least recreationally/socially. Some of them, after seeing me vape, were intrigued with vaping's benefits over cigarettes and decided that was the best route to go. They obtained their own e-cig devices and no longer use tobacco. I consider this to be a plus not only for themselves but also as role models for the smokers in their peer group. She understands the passion I have for e-cigarettes.
My son started smoking when he turned 18. Perhaps it was a "right of passage" thing for him, I've never understood exactly why as he had always been on me to quit smoking when he was younger. I can't say I can remember why I started over 30 years ago. We've had discussions about his smoking, and I even encouraged him to try vaping instead which he did try, but he eventually stuck with smoking and abandoned vaping. He's up to a pack per day smoker now. Of course, he believes he can quit at any time (who didn't also believe the same at that time?).
If it wasn't for the ANTZ and FDA criticisms about flavored e-liquids attracting non-smokers to vape, I probably wouldn't have a problem with this issue and my daughter. As we vapors tend to say, what ever it takes to keep you off of the smokes.
Her mother and I are divorced. She is a closet smoker herself, and has tried my original Smokeless Image Volt and X2 equipment, but her vaping history has been very erratic. She never vaped enough to get over the initial harshness of vapor that many beginning vapors experience. In fact, during a recent holiday get together, she asked for me to get her a pink BB and tank setup. (I would have but she never gave me the up front money.) I don't believe she would have a problem if my daughter took up vaping 0mg nic eliquids if she thought it would keep her from starting cigarettes.
Most of her friends smoke tobacco, at least recreationally/socially. Some of them, after seeing me vape, were intrigued with vaping's benefits over cigarettes and decided that was the best route to go. They obtained their own e-cig devices and no longer use tobacco. I consider this to be a plus not only for themselves but also as role models for the smokers in their peer group. She understands the passion I have for e-cigarettes.
My son started smoking when he turned 18. Perhaps it was a "right of passage" thing for him, I've never understood exactly why as he had always been on me to quit smoking when he was younger. I can't say I can remember why I started over 30 years ago. We've had discussions about his smoking, and I even encouraged him to try vaping instead which he did try, but he eventually stuck with smoking and abandoned vaping. He's up to a pack per day smoker now. Of course, he believes he can quit at any time (who didn't also believe the same at that time?).
If it wasn't for the ANTZ and FDA criticisms about flavored e-liquids attracting non-smokers to vape, I probably wouldn't have a problem with this issue and my daughter. As we vapors tend to say, what ever it takes to keep you off of the smokes.
Her mother and I are divorced. She is a closet smoker herself, and has tried my original Smokeless Image Volt and X2 equipment, but her vaping history has been very erratic. She never vaped enough to get over the initial harshness of vapor that many beginning vapors experience. In fact, during a recent holiday get together, she asked for me to get her a pink BB and tank setup. (I would have but she never gave me the up front money.) I don't believe she would have a problem if my daughter took up vaping 0mg nic eliquids if she thought it would keep her from starting cigarettes.
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ok-here is my dollars worth (inflation). because you have an open and honest communication with your daughter (congrats on that alone), i would go for it. you can be her mentor and teach her everything she needs to know. even if she decides to go to a nic level later...so be it...at least she did not cave to the peer pressure of the stinkies. hopefully, she will stick to o nic...and if she does, wonderful. this is important to her or she would not have asked for it. just imagine how many more friends she can convert...and she will then be the peer pressure to vape, not smoke! go for it dad.....stepping down from my podium now ....listening to the round of applause.....
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I had so much fun wrapping my mini, I wanted another one to play with.
(I wasn't allowed to have Barbies when I was little)
i love your reason! and you dressed up your other baby so nicely. i say if the funds are there to do it....do as you damn well please with it! if mini provaris is going to be your doll babies....dress up as many as you want! of course i still expect you to speak to us others eventhough you would be in "that" club......cause we still all the same.....vapers and loving it! go for it girl!
What club? A club that would have me for a member??
@Baditude - we've already discussed my incongruous, hypocritical, selfishly-motivated conservatism, but I found kikiashelle's perspective enlightening. Her reasoning that cigarettes would be harsh and taste horrible after someone has been vaping for a while, which would keep them from smoking, is a valid point.
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Thanks everyone for their input. The response so far seems to be headed in the direction of being pro-active with getting my daughter her own PV and 0-nicotine e-liquid. This has been the direction that I was leaning toward also.
I've decided to get her a BB setup with batteries, charger, and a couple of cartotanks, and some 0-nicotine juice in the flavors she had told me she most liked.
I have to point out that this is a change of direction for me since it involves my own family member. Before this, I had been critical of any non-smoker considering using an e-cig device, whether with nicotine or not. This was based primarily on how it would look to anti-ecigarette types like ANTS. I'm to the point now that I don't care what they say, they are all ignorant idiots.
Being that it is my own daughter, I've been willing to have a more open mind and be able to see the broader picture of things in this situation. Every situation should be considered by the particular circumstances involved IMO. One of my biggest regrets in life was picking up smoking. If I can somehow contribute to my daughter not following in those footsteps, perhaps I will have done a good thing.
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Ocelot, I totally appologize for hijacking your thread. This wasn't my intention when I mentioned my issue with my daughter, it was sort of added as an afterthought in my reply.
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Ocelot, I totally appologize for hijacking your thread. This wasn't my intention when I mentioned my issue with my daughter, it was sort of added as an afterthought in my reply.
Actually, you did me a favor - distracting everyone from how I've turned into a status-seeking, peer-pressured fangirl. I swear I would have gotten a Vamo, but it didn't look good as Ken.
Did I mention I made evening wear too?
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Thanks everyone for their input. The response so far seems to be headed in the direction of being pro-active with getting my daughter her own PV and 0-nicotine e-liquid. This has been the direction that I was leaning toward also.
I've decided to get her a BB setup with batteries, charger, and a couple of cartotanks, and some 0-nicotine juice in the flavors she had told me she most liked.
I have to point out that this is a change of direction for me since it involves my own family member. Before this, I had been critical of any non-smoker considering using an e-cig device, whether with nicotine or not. This was based primarily on how it would look to anti-ecigarette types like ANTS. I'm to the point now that I don't care what they say, they are all ignorant idiots.
Being that it is my own daughter, I've been willing to have a more open mind and be able to see the broader picture of things in this situation. Every situation should be considered by the particular circumstances involved IMO. One of my biggest regrets in life was picking up smoking. If I can somehow contribute to my daughter not following in those footsteps, perhaps I will have done a good thing.
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Ocelot, I totally appologize for hijacking your thread. This wasn't my intention when I mentioned my issue with my daughter, it was sort of added as an afterthought in my reply.
If you get the BB for her just tell her not to leave it in the gym locker where it might fire. (Sorry bro. Just thinking about your mishap when yours ruined the battery.
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Because you liked your first Prothingy so much?
I'm still debating to get myself a second Provari (Mini this time). But I have another issue I'm struggling with.
My daughter wants her own mod to vape no-nicotine, flavored e-juice. She is a non-smoker, so I am in a personal flux on whether to get her one for her upcoming birthday to keep her from smoking like many of her friends and her brother (my son).
I've been thinking of getting her an Altsmoke BB with a couple of cartotanks and some non-nicotine e-juice. Thoughts?
I started with the mini and got a 2nd ProV regular size. Already had the extension cap so they're very versatile. 18350, 18490, 18650 can all be used.
Got my daughter a Bolt. But she was a smoker and had bought her own eGo setup. She's using the Bolt in the 18500 config. She's happy with it, especially since I put a vivi nova on it and showed her how to clean it out. Her CE4 clearomizers were getting pretty rough looking. You can always upgrade her later, if she likes it and keeps vaping.
If you get the BB for her just tell her not to leave it in the gym locker where it might fire. (Sorry bro. Just thinking about your mishap when yours ruined the battery.
I already told her about it recently, and just like her she remembered when I had had my mishap and had told her about it then. She said it should be safe in her purse, but I cautioned her that she still needed to either remove the "topper" or remove the battery when she wasn't using it. I have an old eGo-type case she can have, too.
I'm debating whether to have her use cartotanks or some clearotanks. Probably will let her try both to see which she prefers. I know she'll like the flavor of the cartotanks over the clearo's, but I can also imagine as a busy college student not having the time or patience required for proper cartotank setup. My thoughts here are the clearotanks are pretty much fill and go, easy peasy.
I can easily see her converting more and more of her smoking friends over to vaping. She's quite the natural saleswoman.
I already told her about it recently, and just like her she remembered when I had had my mishap and had told her about it then. She said it should be safe in her purse, but I cautioned her that she still needed to either remove the "topper" or remove the battery when she wasn't using it. I have an old eGo-type case she can have, too.
I'm debating whether to have her use cartotanks or some clearotanks. Probably will let her try both to see which she prefers. I know she'll like the flavor of the cartotanks over the clearo's, but I can also imagine as a busy college student not having the time or patience required for proper cartotank setup. My thoughts here are the clearotanks are pretty much fill and go, easy peasy.
I can easily see her converting more and more of her smoking friends over to vaping. She's quite the natural saleswoman.
ROCK ON WITH THAT. Bro I think your doing good with her this way. Give advice when needed and let her find her own vape style. Kudos to you Bad.
Wouldn't take a million $$ for any of them, wouldn't give you 5 cents for 4 just like 'em.
Little dears (25, 21, 20 and 12, for reference). Yes, I have a nervous tic
Oh and to keep on topic, I love that ProBarbie! What did you use (I have a couple of cats that could contribute for the evening wear....)
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