Can butterfly farts conflict with one another?

[Aheadatime]

I've read Hoosier's insightful blogs and have experimented myself with DIY. Lemon juice has helped my fruit flavors, ACV has helped my tobaccos, and I'm waiting on some EM, VW, and BW. Anyway, I have a basic understanding of what they're all used for and which flavors to use them with. My question relates to the whole 'ph' aspect of our juices. I don't understand it. If one thing adds more acidity, and one takes it away, can adding two differing butterfly farts to a juice hurt it in any way? Should I avoid EM when using LJ, or ACV when using VW?

For example, I made a 10ml orange tea blend with some personal NET (the T=tea in this case) consisting of 1% TFA Tangerine (the concentrated oil), 10% NET (which is the perfect % for this NET), and I threw in 2 drops of ACV (1drop/5ml for the tea) and 1 drop of LJ (1 drop per 10ml for fruits).

The thing just tastes plain weird. I'm wondering if the ACV and LJ are clashing in some way that I don't understand. If I had EM on hand, I would've thrown in .5-1% of that as well, just for kicks. Is adding too many butterfly farts to one recipe a bad idea? Which ones specifically, if any, clash with one another? How does ph relate to the taste or body of our juices? Are you sick of my never ending questions yet?

 

[rockyroad]

I'm not sick of your never ending questions.......I just can't answer them! sorry

 

[DeeDee1234]

somebody wake up

hoosier

 

[rockyroad]

somebody wake up

hoosier

seriously... or Kurt> (chemist )

 

[MattBott]

My guess is that the juice you are making is just incredibly acidic. You normally only see Vinegar or Lemon juice in a mix since they both make the mix more acidic. Tea (real tea, so probably your NET), as well as your flavoring are acidic as well.

 

[DeeDee1234]

seriously... Or kurt> (chemist )

ok wake up him too,

 

[rockyroad]

ok wake up him too,

Lol, Kurt's up! he just made a post around the corner. Let's see if he finds us. I could make it to Hoosiers in an hour but it's play time.

 

[DeeDee1234]

a REAL chemist, where was he is the whole seed steeping conversation? I was begging for a chemist. I am not buying that idea that one molecule runs around telling all the other molecules to act right or else. But who knows

 

[Forcful]

I have nothing productive to add to this discussion I just want to know where I can get some butterfly farts juice.

 

[SteamDaddy]

NEVER, underestimate the power of a butterfly fart...ever

 

[Hoosier]

Butterfly farts can collide and produce typhoons in Indonesia. Basic chaos theory 101. And as any student of chaos theory knows there is no known condition to predict when the circumstances are perfect for butterfly farts to produce typhoons in Indonesia but it will happen. Thus combining is subject to the weird at all times.

On a less technical note, both LJ and ACV are acids. The main volume of the mass tends toward base. One of the lines of thought is that LJ and ACV make the mix less base and that slight movement on the pH scale is what makes the flavor "pop". (See, pop isn't a technical term. I told you this was the non-technical portion.) Was the pH scale bumped too far? Tough to say because....

Many, way too many, times mixing flavors together that would work perfectly in food just end up doing weird swing dances to rumba music with one partner wearing wooden shoes and the other wearing roller skates. Sometimes steeping will make the 4 part and 3 part rhythms meld and fill the dance floor with wet sand so the footwork matches up and many times it just does nothing helpful.

So you may have caused damage to homes in Indonesia or you may have the wrong footwear on your dance partners and possibly both.

Now I have to get ready so I can make my oldest son's wedding rehearsal after I pick up the wedding officiant because I'm the officiant's ride and the photographer.

 

[michaelsil1]

I've read Hoosier's insightful blogs and have experimented myself with DIY. Lemon juice has helped my fruit flavors, ACV has helped my tobaccos, and I'm waiting on some EM, VW, and BW. Anyway, I have a basic understanding of what they're all used for and which flavors to use them with. My question relates to the whole 'ph' aspect of our juices. I don't understand it. If one thing adds more acidity, and one takes it away, can adding two differing butterfly farts to a juice hurt it in any way? Should I avoid EM when using LJ, or ACV when using VW?

For example, I made a 10ml orange tea blend with some personal NET (the T=tea in this case) consisting of 1% TFA Tangerine (the concentrated oil), 10% NET (which is the perfect % for this NET), and I threw in 2 drops of ACV (1drop/5ml for the tea) and 1 drop of LJ (1 drop per 10ml for fruits).

The thing just tastes plain weird. I'm wondering if the ACV and LJ are clashing in some way that I don't understand. If I had EM on hand, I would've thrown in .5-1% of that as well, just for kicks. Is adding too many butterfly farts to one recipe a bad idea? Which ones specifically, if any, clash with one another? How does ph relate to the taste or body of our juices? Are you sick of my never ending questions yet?

I'm curious did you try your concoction without Butterfly Farts first?

 

[akatina]

Many, way too many, times mixing flavors together that would work perfectly in food just end up doing weird swing dances to rumba music with one partner wearing wooden shoes and the other wearing roller skates. Sometimes steeping will make the 4 part and 3 part rhythms meld and fill the dance floor with wet sand so the footwork matches up and many times it just does nothing helpful.

Now I totally want to do the rumba in my skates (see my avatar).

 

[DeeDee1234]

Have you tried smooth to see if that could tear the edges off a bit? maybe a unicorn tear?

 

[WallyO]

Just curious. Has anyone ever used litmus paper to actually see aht PH their juices are? Be interesting to see if balancing that one way or the other would affect flavors.

 

[Hoosier]

Litmus test in such a non-aqueous solution wouldn't produce much in the way of useful information.

 

[rockyroad]

Now I have to get ready so I can make my oldest son's wedding rehearsal after I pick up the wedding officiant because I'm the officiant's ride and the photographer.

Good luck and congrats on that. Did you know Restaurant Impossible is up in your neck of the woods this week. They are at a restaurant/bar that has been neglected. Pretty cool huh. My wife wanted me to drive her up there to see Robert Irvine...

 

[DeeDee1234]

Just curious. Has anyone ever used litmus paper to actually see aht PH their juices are? Be interesting to see if balancing that one way or the other would affect flavors.

That's a great idea!!!!!!!

 

[Hoosier]

Good luck and congrats on that. Did you know Restaurant Impossible is up in your neck of the woods this week. They are at a restaurant/bar that has been neglected. Pretty cool huh. My wife wanted me to drive her up there to see Robert Irvine...

No, I did not. Actually never heard of Restaurant Impossible, but as long as the place they are at isn't named Windmill, we should be good. (Windmill is doing the catering) The rehearsal was a laugh riot so it looks to be a fun ceremony tomorrow...

 

[Aheadatime]

Butterfly farts can collide and produce typhoons in Indonesia. Basic chaos theory 101. And as any student of chaos theory knows there is no known condition to predict when the circumstances are perfect for butterfly farts to produce typhoons in Indonesia but it will happen. Thus combining is subject to the weird at all times.

On a less technical note, both LJ and ACV are acids. The main volume of the mass tends toward base. One of the lines of thought is that LJ and ACV make the mix less base and that slight movement on the pH scale is what makes the flavor "pop". (See, pop isn't a technical term. I told you this was the non-technical portion.) Was the pH scale bumped too far? Tough to say because....

Many, way too many, times mixing flavors together that would work perfectly in food just end up doing weird swing dances to rumba music with one partner wearing wooden shoes and the other wearing roller skates. Sometimes steeping will make the 4 part and 3 part rhythms meld and fill the dance floor with wet sand so the footwork matches up and many times it just does nothing helpful.

So you may have caused damage to homes in Indonesia or you may have the wrong footwear on your dance partners and possibly both.

Now I have to get ready so I can make my oldest son's wedding rehearsal after I pick up the wedding officiant because I'm the officiant's ride and the photographer.

We must also take into account the sensitivity to initial conditions regarding the 'chaotic' aspect of chaos theory, which inadvertently implies a sense of predictability. Applying this concept to recipes and substituting trajectories for end results yields an acute sense of repetition in the realm we can best define as topological 'mixing' lol. While the aforementioned train of thought does little to disarm the inherent weirdness of our hobby, it does provide a sense of competence in the same way a rickity old wooden bridge that seems to predate language itself dangling over opposing cliff edges courtesy to two hemp-laced victims of time induced erosion provide a sense of security for the weary wanderer.

So either I did indeed decrease the acidity too far (the effects of such a mistake I don't understand yet, vice versa for too acidic), or the flavors just plain don't mix right. To be fair, I hadn't used the ACV on this specific NET before this mix, but had used it with another NET of mine and it worked wonders. The particular NET in this recipe had a strong bite to it with hints of cinnamon-ish harshness to it that, while I enjoyed, I thought should be done away with for the Orange recipe. So there are other unknown factors outside of the pH concept. Steeping time was only ~7 days (the limit of my patience), so there's another potential X factor.

I suppose what I'll do next is attempt to slightly modify the recipe in various batches including one without ACV or LJ, one with just LJ, one with just ACV, and let the remaining few mls of the original batch steep for 3 more weeks or so. Have you personally had any experience with going too high or too low with the acidity or a juice? What effects would be prevalent in a juice with too high of a pH and what ingredients can potentially lower the pH if need be? How many butterfly farts do you typically add to any given recipe and have you made any personal notes as to how many or what % would be considered too much?

I've PMed you some other questions if you don't mind.

I'm curious did you try your concoction without Butterfly Farts first?

No sir. Will do though. Also considering making a batch without ACV or LJ but adding .8% EM whenever I can afford it.