Canadien vendors on copycat/unauthorized list

[oldsoldier]

FYI, here are some tidbits from the email joyetech sent out last year touting its authorized distributor seal:

Distributor will not sell, offer for sale, or promote any products that directly compete with the Products or with any new products that joyetech may develop from time to time

It goes on to specify what competing products are... in short it is just about everything.

To the extent that Distributor desires to sell a product from a different manufacturer, the appearance of which reasonably resembles that of a joyetech Product, Distributor shall request explicit written confirmation from Joyetech that such product does not fall within the definition of directly competing products as set forth in this paragraph.

See my comments above... there are arguments both for and against brand dilution, quality, etc but in short it reads like a franchise agreement, with little or no benefit to the supplier.

Distributor may engage in marketing and selling Joyetech Products in the Territory, whether through sales from a physical retail location, internet or web-based sales, or telephone order sales. However, no internet- or web-based sales or telephone sales may be made to customers located outside of the Territory.

Not many suppliers want to enter an exclusivity agreement that issues territories. Especially internet businesses. Sure some have, but would I if I were a supplier? Probably not

This was debated heavily by several ECF suppliers when it came out, and good points were brought up for both sides of the argument, but in my personal opinion it is just a marketing ploy and an ineffective one at that. How many people do you think will read that webpage on joye's site.

If I didn't already know about it and I wouldn't have, and how many people would have known about it if they didn't read this thread?

 

[dbot]

Surely you can discern the difference between "copycat" and "unauthorized".

To be an authorized seller you must agree to keep your prices above a set level and you must purchase an amount of product that surpasses Joyetech minimum order quantities. If you sell a product below a certain price they will put you on the unauthorized list.

 

[albertbert]

If anyone is interested to know why canvape is now "unauthorized." Or at least, this probably contributed to the change..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/canvape/365907-evic-last-day-free-battery-charger.html

Specifically post #3.

 

[froghammer]

This thread seems to exist solely to stir shiat. Or grind an axe. Or........who knows. But it smells funny.

 

[longtimesmok]

so if i understand correct the manufactur joyetech has listed canvapes as unauthorized becasue they sell for lower than joyetech wants? this could be great news, this mean that canvapes if now unauthorized can sell these products for cheap like all the other products they have!! this looks like blessing in disguise!!

 

[oldsoldier]

Like we tried to tell you earlier "unauthorized" doesn't really mean anything, copy cat is just Joyetech taking shots at people selling other brands it would be quite another thing if they said COUNTERFEIT.

In my opinion the whole Joyetech authorized list is a failed attempt by Joyetech to "westernize" their business practice and strong arm suppliers into buying from them and meeting their MOQ/minimum pricing.

 

[oldsoldier]

Lets talk semantics here, copycat is just a term that can mean anything from a straight out counterfeit to a reverse engineered product that looks similar to a genuine Joyetech product. or even a totally new product that has the form factor of a joye product. 510 attys are pretty much the same so any 510 atty could be labeled a copycat by Joyetech.

This means pretty much any brand of atomizer can be labeled as a copycat by joyetech in their little kingdom. This also means that the Riva is a copycat ( anything eGo like is a copycat ) But is a Riva a counterfeit? NO -- because it isn't using the Joyetech name.

If Joyetech listed suppliers as Counterfeiters, then you should be concerned. Otherwise I would say don't worry about it if they company has a good reputation for selling quality products.

 

[VIPOD]

Like we tried to tell you earlier "unauthorized" doesn't really mean anything, copy cat is just Joyetech taking shots at people selling other brands it would be quite another thing if they said COUNTERFEIT.

Believe the distinction between unauthorized vs. copycat vs. counterfeit is abundantly clear by now.

Unauthorized does however mean something, or traditionally has in the service world.

"Herein lies the problem in dealing with an unauthorized seller; the manufacturer has no relationship with them or control over the products they sell. They may sell items with missing serial numbers. They may be selling damaged or used items. Or pawning off refurbished items as new.Any, or all of these practices can void a manufacturer's warranty. Naturally, this is going to limit your chances of finding a resolution to whatever product issue you experience, especially if the unauthorized seller doesn't offer assistance either."

Rule of thumb....do your homework before buying anything.




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[oldsoldier]

Having seem the actual joyetech letter describing their authorized retailer program I would say that this program does not fit into the traditional usage of authorized retailer, but is more or an exclusivity contract / 600 pound gorilla.

One thing is abundantly clear, if a dealer is an authorized dealer there is no doubt that they are not selling knockoffs - seconds is debatable considering the Quality Assurance history of the Chinese companies.

 

[recidivus]

They also sell a handful of ego clones. Check descriptions for "Genuine".

so if i understand correct the manufactur joyetech has listed canvapes as unauthorized becasue they sell for lower than joyetech wants? this could be great news, this mean that canvapes if now unauthorized can sell these products for cheap like all the other products they have!! this looks like blessing in disguise!!

 

[SoUnique]

so if i understand correct the manufactur joyetech has listed canvapes as unauthorized becasue they sell for lower than joyetech wants? this could be great news, this mean that canvapes if now unauthorized can sell these products for cheap like all the other products they have!! this looks like blessing in disguise!!

Don't get too excited. If canvape starts a price cutting war with joyetech products, joye will cut them off. Mopar is no fool.

 

[martinc]

...and when he gets treats from any Chinese suppliers,its because the other beloved dear Canadian suppliers (which get alerted by their beloved fanbois customers) turn around and go cry to them Chinese suppliers

Does that qualifies as a general attack or simply a comment?

No malicious purpose were intended X my heart

Edit: up to OP to edit his intro now armed with this information.

Oldsoldier: I knew all of that already,we had this discussion over 6 months ago iirc!

 

[WolfeReign]

OI! i have not seen the fur fly around here since the days since it was joked about this being the canibal thread. Seeing as i would get my tail in extremely hot water if i was to add a link to send you to my blog, i will add things here

To help with the argument of Joyetech unauthorized VS Joyetech counterfeiter, and not going to get into the legalities end of things, and i am going to move to the point you just got your new joyetech shinny:

1) the first thing you want to do is go to this web site:

If you have a bar code only then you enter it under bar code. If however like the eroll you had a area that said scratch test with a serial number you enter that under the serial number section. excuse the blurry window tabs in the background i was in the process of listening to a PBusardo video when i took the screen shots

2) As you can see i was entering my digit's under the serial number section

3) Well time to bite the bullet and see if it is legit or knock off

4)Phew! Seeing as the pop up screen had shown the exact bar code that was printed on my box, so i am legit.

If i had a knock off item (for whatever the reason) i would have see the following information

What to do if the vendor had sold a conterfit? well then and only then would i approach the mods and see what options where available before entering negative vendor review etc...

If you are looking for the link for all this it is located on Joyetech's website listed under support

PS: seeing as this information is viewed from the outside (aka non members) i have taken the liberty of hiding the full information of my serial number and bar code

 

[longtimesmok]

thank you for posting this Wolf , i will still stick with my gut and not order these product from this vendor unless they would be remove from joyetech copycat/unauthorized list.

 

[dbot]

I think that your gut is letting you down on this one.

thank you for posting this Wolf , i will still stick with my gut and not order these product from this vendor unless they would be remove from joyetech copycat/unauthorized list.

 

[froghammer]

Yeah, this seems like mountain out of a molehill stuff to me. If Canvape was pulling a bait and switch on people, we would have heard about it on here considering how tight the community is.

 

[oldsoldier]

Yeah, this seems like mountain out of a molehill stuff to me. If Canvape was pulling a bait and switch on people, we would have heard about it on here considering how tight the community is.

Especially the Canadians. They love a dustup and if there was a bait and switch job going the moose fur would be flying.

 

[martinc]

I wish mopar could come here and set things straight

 

[SoUnique]

I wish mopar could come here and set things straight

I bet lots of this crap wouldn't be posted if he could respond though.

To bad the op didn't post in the Canvape section. Course then Mopar could set things straight.

 

[larktdl]

I wish mopar could come here and set things straight

I am sure he can do that in the Canvape Forum ... Let us get some moose fur flying in that forum