Can't get a job if you are a smoker!!!
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FYI this is only the beginning.
National health care etc. will make this a nightmare and there will be a push to control what your eat, drink, smoke, and likely even how much you exercise by a large lobby.
After all, it's not fair for me to have to pay the extra cost for your bad habits now is it?
National health care etc. will make this a nightmare and there will be a push to control what your eat, drink, smoke, and likely even how much you exercise by a large lobby.
After all, it's not fair for me to have to pay the extra cost for your bad habits now is it?
I smoke and haven't been sick or to a doctor in a decade.. More health cost my .....
I cant help but think about how much grief a company would get if they refused to hire non-smokers.
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From 1988 to 1996, about half of the states enacted laws (lobbied for by large cigarette companies) that prohibit employment discrimination against smokers and/or other tobacco/nicotine users. And nearly all of those state laws contain many exemptions (e.g. health organizations, fire/police/EMT, employers with fewer than 25 employees).
Florida is not one of those states, and many local governments in Florida have policies to not hire smokers (primarily fire/police/EMT).
While I've long defended the right of employers to not hire cigarette smokers (just as employers have a right to not hire users of marijuana), abstinence-only anti-tobacco extremists have been encouraging some employers to expand their policies to also apply to any nicotine use (which is an irrational policy since the smoke, not the nicotine, is causes the problems).
About 5%-10% of employers have hiring policies requiring that cigarette smokers quit as a condition of employment, and only a few employers have policies that apply to any nicotine use.
Most of the employers with these typed of policies do not conduct nicotine tests (carbon monoxide tests are more common), and most of those employers only take action if/when an employee is seen smoking cigarettes.
Since the nicotine tests cannot discern whether the nicotine came from cigarette, smokeless, an e-cigarette or a nicotine skin patch, the legality of the use of nicotine tests may be challengable in court.
Florida is not one of those states, and many local governments in Florida have policies to not hire smokers (primarily fire/police/EMT).
While I've long defended the right of employers to not hire cigarette smokers (just as employers have a right to not hire users of marijuana), abstinence-only anti-tobacco extremists have been encouraging some employers to expand their policies to also apply to any nicotine use (which is an irrational policy since the smoke, not the nicotine, is causes the problems).
About 5%-10% of employers have hiring policies requiring that cigarette smokers quit as a condition of employment, and only a few employers have policies that apply to any nicotine use.
Most of the employers with these typed of policies do not conduct nicotine tests (carbon monoxide tests are more common), and most of those employers only take action if/when an employee is seen smoking cigarettes.
Since the nicotine tests cannot discern whether the nicotine came from cigarette, smokeless, an e-cigarette or a nicotine skin patch, the legality of the use of nicotine tests may be challengable in court.
We are seeing "ban" signs change in Florida. My wife works as secretary to a college president and the entire campus is going "tobacco free". Not smokefree. Tobaccofree. New signs are going up, "No Tobacco Use Allowed on this Campus".
Such a prohibition covers snus and dissolvables, of course.
What will they make of vaping if e-cigs advance beyond being a curiosity of the few to a preference of the many?
Such a prohibition covers snus and dissolvables, of course.
What will they make of vaping if e-cigs advance beyond being a curiosity of the few to a preference of the many?
Wisconsin is joining the bandwagon, as well....not as restrictive yet, but the way the climate in this country is changing, I could well see them following Florida's example....we go smokefree (not tobacco free) in a year - just got signed into law.
There is at least on university in Oklahoma that's the same way - no tobacco use of any kind allowed on campus.
This is shocking news TB, do you happen to know what the declared reason for this is? (I mean it's clearly not the safety of others since there is no "passive" with smokeless tobacco so I'm curious to know what the logic is.)
Do you know if they have any plans for caffeine free also (no, I'm not joking)?
You beat me to it. Also, if you dont think it is wrong, shall we have pedophiles working around children? Kleptomaniacs working at banks? People who outwardly profess that all "Americans are infidels and need to die" flying planes? You get on that plane, I'll pass tyvm!
Discrimination can be awesome. We don't have rights to work where ever we want. They have rules, you want to work there, then follow their rules.
Sucks but thats life kiddo.
They don't do that in the US anymore, they just destroy you financially. Keeps the power over and PC folks warm and fuzzy to think they don't do the same things that routinely happen in a particularly odious 3rd world dictatorship.
Oh, wait...
Yes. I still have a problem with it.
Edit: This is a government agency (state) and they are imposing a standard on a legal adult activity. Like I said in an earlier post, what's next years application look like?
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they are an employer
you have the choice to work for them or not. So they are not imposing any standard on anyone. If you dont like the terms of the employment agreement dont take the job <g>
If this is not discrimination. I wonder what would happen if I started a company in Florida and only hired smokers.I wonder how would the non-smokers react?
You must test positive for nicotine before you're hired. Now that would be a new twist
You must test positive for nicotine before you're hired. Now that would be a new twist
If this is not discrimination. I wonder what would happen if I started a company in Florida and only hired smokers.I wonder how would the non-smokers react?
completely legal in Fl and I do know one person who only hires smokers
Yes they sure do! Not only was I a smoker, but I am also about 70 lbs overweight. However, they never look past the fat to see that my cholesterol is 158, my BP is 118/76 and I don't suffer from anything more than food and dog allergies.
I have been turned down for several jobs due to my physical appearance which is just plain asinine!
They can discriminate and I will tell you why. Because most discrimination laws pertaining to hiring of employees clearly dictates what 'form' of discrimination is not tolerated. If you read most of these law they don't simply state "discrimination is unlawful" they make sure to include instead "discrimination based upon gender, race," etc. See how tricky that can be
Also, I don't think you should've answered that you were a past smoker. I think any testing regarding nicotine could've either been completely random or used as a "scare tactic" and you would've past the test anyway. Nicotine does not permanently stay in your system. Depending on usaged you can probably get rid of it between 1 to 4 days (we'll say 4 days at most if you're a heavy nicotine user). Refer to this link about nicotine testing: Urine Test for Nicotine/Cotinine
Also, I don't think you should've answered that you were a past smoker. I think any testing regarding nicotine could've either been completely random or used as a "scare tactic" and you would've past the test anyway. Nicotine does not permanently stay in your system. Depending on usaged you can probably get rid of it between 1 to 4 days (we'll say 4 days at most if you're a heavy nicotine user). Refer to this link about nicotine testing: Urine Test for Nicotine/Cotinine
Where's Tropical Bob! He needs to see this:
Of all of the infractions I have witnessed over the past few months regarding the ecig, Congress, this bill that bill... THIS is what makes my sunny day turn blue.
How is this really a free country when you can't even use a legal substance... even one that is FDA approved? (NRT's) When you have to even know where to locate a urine test to test your pee for a legal substance?
Oh it's so sad. What have we come to?
Of all of the infractions I have witnessed over the past few months regarding the ecig, Congress, this bill that bill... THIS is what makes my sunny day turn blue.
How is this really a free country when you can't even use a legal substance... even one that is FDA approved? (NRT's) When you have to even know where to locate a urine test to test your pee for a legal substance?
Oh it's so sad. What have we come to?
Everybody just keep praying the this country is too far in debt so that they'll have to forget about National Health Care. Who in the H_ _ _ is going to be able to pay MORE TAXES...Now they're saying we need a 10-12% FEDERAL SALES TAX. WHAT, ON TOP OF OUR STATE + LOCAL 5.5% one?? Cripes, we'll be paying more for tax than anything is worth to begin with. STOP THE MADNESS
Actualy I think they should discriminate against married people with families. After all some one might have a fat, smoking spouse or fat smoking kids or worse a fertile wife, and you wouldn't want to have to insure all those children.
Have they gone completely ape S#!t with all the smokers hate.
Yes lets tax a highly additive substance by over 500%, and fund more important government projects like making Cheerios illegal. Anyone else p!$$ed off that the job in question was a government job? These idiots in charge need to watch out because if they make smokers unemployable who's gonna fund their nanny police state then.
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