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Can't work out what is wrong with my Mod :( :(

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  1. franny95

    franny95 Full Member

    I have nemesis clone mod by AtmomiXani and a stillare clone atty. It houses a 18650 IMR High Drain 2500mAh 3.7 LI-MN battery. My coils are 0.25 Kanthal wire coming up at 0.6 Ohm's and organic cotton wool. I have made sure the firing pin in tights, spring on the firing button is fine and the battery doesn't rattle. The coils seem to heat up fine but there's just no clouds, only a small amount of vapour, the same if not less than my ....ty old E-Cig. The cotton wool is fully soaked in juice but it just tastes overly strong/burnt. It's my first build and i don't know if i'm missing something stupid but i've racked my brain and have come up with nothing. Could it be ....ty juice or a counterfeit battery or something?
     
  2. tj99959

    tj99959 ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2011
    utah
    Most of the time when I see someone with this problem they are still trying to use mouth to lung instead of drawing the vapor directly into their lungs.

    Not enough air flow for the resistance is the problem.

    The other common problem is top cap alignment. You should be able to look through the air slots and see the coil centered on the air slot.

    You also want a lot of VG in your liquid. PG simply doesn't make big clouds.
     
  3. roxynoodle

    roxynoodle Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Jun 19, 2014
    Ohio
    I agree its probably not a mod problem.

    Its a build problem. Improper alignment of top cap and coils as suggested above. Or improper wicking.

    Can we see some pics of your build?
     
  4. yovengo

    yovengo Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 27, 2014
    Houston,TX,USA
    Depends if on the ratio of your juice because more VG means more vapor.

    Could be that your battery aren't fully charge, since you didn't mention if they were in the description.

    Could be the way you wick it, too much wick around the coil not letting the coil "breathe" can cause it not to produce more vapor.

    Upload pics of the build
     
  5. franny95

    franny95 Full Member

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    here is two pics of the build, i took the wick out of one side and as you can see my coils are aligned with the air slots
     
  6. nyiddle

    nyiddle Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Hold up, might seem like a dumb question, but are we sure that ohms out to .6? That looks like a very small amount of wire for a .6 ohm coil.
     
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  7. Thrasher

    Thrasher ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2012
    Madeira beach, Fla
    Coils look very uneven, is one bigger then the other?

    In a dual coil they have to heat up and glow evenly or the side not getting hot is just letting in excess air for no reason, killing the amount of vapor.

    @nyiddle that will easily hit .5 -.7 if its 29-30g I use dual 5 wraps of 30 for .5
     
  8. nyiddle

    nyiddle Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Huh, I guess you're right (just did the math, shoulda done that before probably).
     
  9. franny95

    franny95 Full Member

    both coils heat up evenly, one is just slightly covered by cotton wool and yeah my ohm meter is defo showing 0.6
     
  10. nyiddle

    nyiddle Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Are they quick to heat up? Any hot legs (the wire that goes into the post, is it glowing)? Any hot spots (does one wrap of the coil heat up faster than the rest of the coil)?
     
  11. franny95

    franny95 Full Member

    they heat up in about 0.7 seconds and not the full leg, see for yourself IMG_2243.PNG
     
  12. Thrasher

    Thrasher ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2012
    Madeira beach, Fla
    Well they look good, the one still seems bigger then the other but in any case if I have to guess, looking at the first pic maybe a touch too much wick, seems like that's a lot of cotton stuck in there but always hard to tell when not in person
     
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  13. yuseffuhler

    yuseffuhler Ultra Member

    Mar 28, 2015
    Houghton, MI
    Have you trimmed the legs on the opposite side of the post? It shouldn't be a big problem, but you will get some power loss from that. Also, could we see the battery?
     
  14. Kaezziel

    Kaezziel Supreme Overlord of Everything Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jul 29, 2014
    Houston, TX, USA
    Thrasher makes a good point. It's easy to overstuff with cotton... this in turn chokes the wick and doesn't allow the juice to get to the coil fast enough. The cotton should have a little resistance inside the coil, but should still slide back and forth fairly easily when dry. It will swell once it has soaked juice into itself and will then be a bit tighter. If you remove the wicks and find that they are burned in the middle, then you'll know that you definitely had them too tight.
     
  15. DaveSignal

    DaveSignal Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 23, 2014
    Maryland
    I don't think Thrasher is talking about the wick being tight. There is too much cotton stuffed in there for there to be good airflow. It is being diverted around the outside of the chamber.

    I have never used 30 gauge (too thin for me), which is why I have held off on commenting before. But making clouds requires that you don't just take cotton and stuff it anywhere.
     
  16. Kaezziel

    Kaezziel Supreme Overlord of Everything Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jul 29, 2014
    Houston, TX, USA
    I see what you're saying, Dave. I'm not sure that it's an airflow problem though. Even if the air isn't getting under the coil very well, it's still getting everywhere else (for the most part) because you can still see most of the coil, and you can clearly see the coil through the air slot. I will admit though, that's one of the many reasons that I switched to rayon for wicks. My wicks are so minimal now that air goes wherever it wants to go.

    You're right though... 30g is a PITA! I'm so used to 26g and larger that I vary rarely bother with 28 or 30 any more unless I'm twisting multiple strands together.
     
  17. Thrasher

    Thrasher ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2012
    Madeira beach, Fla
    My first observation is it looks like a tampon exploded in a cheerio..

    For the stillare I usually bring the coil up just a touch more, as we suck the air doesn't come into the chamber in a straight line but heads up towards the drip tip. So you have to let just a little slip under the coil as well as hit the face


    The stillare has like no well so its easy to flood but the wick looks a bit undersaturated and just too much in general. Combine that with the airflow sliding over the coil and you get poor vapor


    My elm is almost the same build style, it took a bit of poking to find the best height 20150522_134842.jpg
     
  18. RichM76

    RichM76 Full Member

    Feb 18, 2014
    Bradenton, FL
    Post # 5 photo # 2 has too much cotton. Do not block the front and bottom of the coil with cotton, it restricts airflow. Just let the cotton only protrode from the sides of the coil (put enough cotton in so it sites on bottom of juice well to soak up the e-liquid). Wick both coils the same. Watch a few videos on YouTube on how it's done.

    Looking at this build closer, one coil has 4 wraps and the other has 6 or 7. Make them both the same. I would also try to get the coils closer to the center posts, and even them up between the posts the same on each side.
     
  19. hashtag

    hashtag Ultra Member

    May 17, 2015
    Keep playing with it, sometimes it takes a few buids to get it right but once you get there it gets easier with each attempt.

    Are the coils starting to glow from the middle and working their way outward? How long after you push the button until they are glowing llike they are in the pic?
     
  20. DaveSignal

    DaveSignal Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 23, 2014
    Maryland
    I've got some pictures too!

    OP, here are some pictures of my Stillare clone on a mech mod:
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    Thats at a much lower resistance, but the coils and wick are placed to allow large open spaces for air to flow past the coils.
     
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