Cart mods... ADM, Plug, Straw, PTB, etc... Why and which? Some tips.

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Winace

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I never quite experimenting and designing. Over my time spent modding carts and such I have come to a few definitive facts regarding cart mods. They all have drawbacks, you just need to know which fits you best.

I am going to start with a basic principal of fluidics, surface tension.

Surface tension and vacuum are primary reasons you can put a straw in a liquid, cover the exposed end of the straw, and lift the straw out of the liquid while keeping it full. When you remove your finger, you lose vacuum, thus the liquid falls back out of the straw.

Creating a sealing area of the liquid within a cart is key to maximize fluid delivery. We use absorptive materials within a cart to hold fluid. The more absorptive they are, typically, they have a higher retention coefficient. This means the more the soak in, the less they will let go.

To make a good cart, we have to look at surface tension. Inserting any of these materials does two things. They help support the weight of the fluid, and they reduce surface area exposed which strengthens retention.

Lets take a 2 liter bottle, fill it with water, then submerse it in water. Flip it over (top down) and lift it out. The bottle stays full until the top comes out of the water, it then chugs and comes out. As water comes out, air needs to enter to negate the vacuum.

A straw will hold the water, but the bottle will not. This is due to the ratio of weight to surface area of exposed liquid which effects surface tension.

Due to this principal, we only need to increase surface tension so a full cart (liquid, no filler) so it does not dump the fluid freely. A thin piece of foam material at the opening of the cart will help hold weight of the fluid and reduce surface volume, thus increasing surface tension. The less absorptive the material, the more it will release. Under the best circumstances, this is what we want.

When using the blue foam plug method (see ehiem filter mod) and no spring (just a plug), you can fill your cart with juice and cap it with this plug. Turning it over results in no loss of fluid.
 

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When you push this cart onto the atomizer, the bridge enters the cart. The bridge is a low absorbing material, much life the blue foam, the blue foam is just more conforming to shape. The blue foam and bridge effectively become one unit, the liquid disperses through it until an equilibrium in saturation is met. Since a solid area of fluid across the mouth of the cart has never been broken (fluid in the cart replenishes the fluid which move to absorb into the bridge) a vacuum within the cart is kept. The surface tension of the fluid allows the bridging material (metal mesh and foam) to fully saturate without leaking (with assistance of the vacuum).
 

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When you push this cart onto the atomizer, the bridge enters the cart. The bridge is a low absorbing material, much life the blue foam, the blue foam is just more conforming to shape. The blue foam and bridge effectively become one unit, the liquid disperses through it until an equilibrium in saturation is met. Since a solid area of fluid across the mouth of the cart has never been broken (fluid in the cart replenishes the fluid which move to absorb into the bridge) a vacuum within the cart is kept. The surface tension of the fluid allows the bridging material (metal mesh and foam) to fully saturate without leaking (with assistance of the vacuum).


Really? is this your answer?
 

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ok, tried over 50 times.... I'll post it another day.... saved in word format till then ;-)
Please do. I am interested.:) I've just been using the straw method with my 510 and dripping with my Prodigy. Bought some prefilled PTB carts but haven't tried them yet. So far the straw seems to be working ok and it's not much hassle. But I am always interested in any new info if it makes sense and works.:thumb::D
 

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Just drip and save yourself the headaches and time cosuming job.

Sorry, was irritated by the posting issues.

My PV works better than dripping. More consistant, better nicotine delivery, and less hassle/time consumption. I just wanted something that worked, worked well, and was hot a huge PITA to keep working well. Takes me about 3 minutes to fill 20 carts. Also, carrying a bottle around everywhere and looking like I was dropping liquid crack in my crack pipe was pretty degrading.
 

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Please do. I am interested.:) I've just been using the straw method with my 510 and dripping with my Prodigy. Bought some prefilled PTB carts but haven't tried them yet. So far the straw seems to be working ok and it's not much hassle. But I am always interested in any new info if it makes sense and works.:thumb::D

I posted it on one of my trade blogs here: The Trading Truth: PV

Just start reading under the PV heading.

Once you get the blue foam, drop the pre-filled polyfill into a syringe and push the juice out into a bottle. You can then still use the juice ;-)

Edit: Sorry did not realize they were pre-filled PTB carts.... someone actually sells them pre-filled??? Read the post I put up and save some money ;-)
 

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I'm trying this and it's working for me. Just a small plug of blue foam just a bit oversized for a snug fit at all edges at the top of the cart, no spring, nothing else - so more fluid in the cartridge area - no leaks so far - like dripping but without having to drip.... imho... so far ;-)

Yea, works great! Although, fluid consumption will go up. As a trade off, better hits and more nicotine delivered per hit. Shorter hits also, conserving a little battery life. I would love to try this at 5v and 6v... that should give a killer hit with short drags!
 

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Yea, works great! Although, fluid consumption will go up. As a trade off, better hits and more nicotine delivered per hit. Shorter hits also, conserving a little battery life. I would love to try this at 5v and 6v... that should give a killer hit with short drags!

I have it on two now and it's working. I did ptb for a while (actually still have that on 2 devices as well but had problems so I'm still in the trial stage with this. One thing I noted in another thread on this, PET, which is from what the oem filler, fluval, PTB and the 'foam' is made - doesn't actually "wick" (maybe the finest polyfibers a bit) but it does hold - that's why the top folded PTB works pretty well but not the full fold - which has other problems. This - just the top plug allows for no leakage and doesn't have anything else in the cart well except juice. No need for an 'inverted xmas tree form - that just takes up juice space ;-) I'm guessing it may be what Janty's 'tesla' might be - but with perhaps something engineered to hold the plug in place. It really started with the dobber idea, in my head at least.
 
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