Cartomiser ohm help

[Dan Patrick]

I will say I find that dual coils seem to last longer. Now you can get them in all different lengths and ohms. They also cost twice as much so it's a good thing they last longer.

Remember if something is "eating the juice" you are most likely making more vapor. I really like making tons of vapor more than anything. Some people don't. It's all about personal preference.

 

[Traver]

And they eat juice insanely fast, at least in my experience.

How else could you get more vapor? that's the whole point of low ohm cartos. There's no magic involved. They use more power and vaporize more juice.

 

[Frick]

How else could you get more vapor? that's the whole point of low ohm cartos. There's no magic involved. They use more power and vaporize more juice.

I understand that: two locations to vaporize juice = more vapor.

The thing is, I have to run a 2.5 ohm DC at 5+V to get decent vapor. I run Boge 3.0 at 4.4-4.8V and get similar vapor production, without running through juice at a prodigious rate.

I'm all about the vaping quality, so I'm not cheating myself on vapor with the Boges -- they just don't go through juice as fast for a similar vape. In a tank, I can vape 3ml in a matter of hours with a dual-coil. With a Boge, 3ml lasts me a day or more.

 

[Corpa]

Thanks for your input Frick. I am trying a Boge 3.0 today and it's much nicer (IMO) than the Smoketech DCs.

 

[Traver]

I understand that: two locations to vaporize juice = more vapor.

The thing is, I have to run a 2.5 ohm DC at 5+V to get decent vapor. I run Boge 3.0 at 4.4-4.8V and get similar vapor production, without running through juice at a prodigious rate.

I'm all about the vaping quality, so I'm not cheating myself on vapor with the Boges -- they just don't go through juice as fast for a similar vape. In a tank, I can vape 3ml in a matter of hours with a dual-coil. With a Boge, 3ml lasts me a day or more.

Frick, I am sure that you understood but I am sure about the rest of the people on this thread.
On the other hand it is a mystery to me why you can get the same amount of vapor and not use the same amount of juice. Not doubting it just don't understand it.

 

[Charlz]

Horizontal coils give improved vapor and flavor because of a wide airflow tube inserted into the filler. Not sure what Frick is using. I don't get similar vapor from a single vertical coil vs dual personally, although flavor is typically improved. It's typically said however that anything below 5 or 6V just doesn't have the oomph to power dual coils to their potential. I don't know. Just know personally, my overall experience is vastly better with a single horizontal coil over any dual coil even horizontal dual coils.

 

[AlB53]

Newb here just started last sat. got a Volt 808 , the cartoes are 2.8 ohm, does anybody make a 2.3-2.4 ohm carto for a 808, just want a little more vape and flavor.will be upgrading sone as I get back to work..thanks

 

[Frick]

Thanks for your input Frick. I am trying a Boge 3.0 today and it's much nicer (IMO) than the Smoketech DCs.

Glad you like them, as I do, but everyone has their own "sweet spot". Dual-coils just don't do for me what Boges do.

Frick, I am sure that you understood but I am sure about the rest of the people on this thread.
On the other hand it is a mystery to me why you can get the same amount of vapor and not use the same amount of juice. Not doubting it just don't understand it.

Let's not say "the same amount of vapor"; let's say "as satisfying a vape", if that makes sense. I'll adjust my Provari to whatever gives me a vape I'm happy with in warmth, vapor volume and throat hit (and these are all subjective depending on the juice, so know that I've tried both with my beloved Halo Tribeca and Boba's Bounty).

I have to run 2.5 ohm dual-coil cartos at 5V+ to get there, and I know that's because the wattage is split between two 5 ohm coils in parallel. I run a Boge 3.0 at 4.4V pretty much all day, upping it to 4.6-4.8V in the evening.

I know that doesn't explain juice consumption, but the Boge isn't going through juice anywhere near as quickly -- and I know, because I'm using a tank and can actually measure with accuracy how much juice I use and how often I have to fill. Maybe it's the drags I have to take to feel satisfied on the dual-coils, which do seem considerably longer.

Horizontal coils give improved vapor and flavor because of a wide airflow tube inserted into the filler. Not sure what Frick is using. I don't get similar vapor from a single vertical coil vs dual personally, although flavor is typically improved. It's typically said however that anything below 5 or 6V just doesn't have the oomph to power dual coils to their potential. I don't know. Just know personally, my overall experience is vastly better with a single horizontal coil over any dual coil even horizontal dual coils.

I vaped horizontal-coil KR808D cartos for a year. I have KR808D cartos sitting here from Bloog, Volt, and Halo. The airflow tube is actually wider on the Boges than it is on the 808s, but maybe you're referring to different horizontal-coil cartos.

I'm using Boge LR and SR (2.0 and 3.0 ohm) cartos.

Unless designs change pretty radically, I think I'll remain a single-coil vaper. I'm getting the same vape quality at lower voltages with less juice consumption (whatever the factors involved). I'm quite happy with the Boge cartos.

 

[Charlz]

Newb here just started last sat. got a Volt 808 , the cartoes are 2.8 ohm, does anybody make a 2.3-2.4 ohm carto for a 808, just want a little more vape and flavor.will be upgrading sone as I get back to work..thanks

Clouds of Vapor has kr808 2.6ohm horizontals in both black and silver. Only other ones I've seen are 2.0 which is toeing the line of the limits of your battery.

 

[AlB53]

Thanks Charlz, upstate?

 

[tj99959]

Now we have 3 topics all rolled into one.
First the dual coils. There are two 3ohm coils in that 1.5ohm carto, each requires the voltage/amps/watts that you would supply to a 3ohm single coil to produce that "tons of vapor" (5v/3.33amp/16.6watts total). Otherwise you are running each coil at half throttle. The only things that can even come close to those numbers are an OKR-T/6 or like converter in your VV, or stacking unprotected batteries.

Next is how do v/a/w all come together in the PV's that we use. This Ohm's Law Calculator is a handy tool to help you figure it out. In order to maintain a level of safety most VV's are limited to about 2.5amps. That's not a bad rule to follow when setting up your personal e-cig. Most will find their sweet spot somewhere in the 6-8watt range with a single coil (highest surveyed % was 7.5-8.5watts)

Lastly, while it does play a roll, "C" ratings are a bit redundant with our use. The mAh of the battery is a far more useful tool for us (just keep in mind that the Chinese lie a lot when printing labels for batteries)

 

[Traver]

Let's not say "the same amount of vapor"; let's say "as satisfying a vape", if that makes sense. I'll adjust my Provari to whatever gives me a vape I'm happy with in warmth, vapor volume and throat hit (and these are all subjective depending on the juice, so know that I've tried both with my beloved Halo Tribeca and Boba's Bounty).

As I said I don't really understand it but I can see several ways the same amount of power can produce different amounts of vapor. For instance more air may cool the coil and it would need more watts to get the same amount of vapor as another carto with less airflow. Or one carto may warm the juice inside more than another. In that case a warmer carto may need less power to vaporize juice. Anyway that's why I wasn't questioning you perceptions.

 

[Frick]

As I said I don't really understand it but I can see several ways the same amount of power can produce different amounts of vapor. For instance more air may cool the coil and it would need more watts to get the same amount of vapor as another carto with less airflow. Or one carto may warm the juice inside more than another. In that case a warmer carto may need less power to vaporize juice. Anyway that's why I wasn't questioning you perceptions.

Yeah, I'm sure there's more at play here -- but have you noticed how many people say "I do like dual-coils, but I go through a lot more juice"? There's several posts like that just in this sub-forum.

For me, I'll stick with vertical single-coils. They do what I want and I save expensive juice.

 

[Charlz]

Thanks Charlz, upstate?

Yes sir! (or ma'am) It's all either the city or upstate to folks that aren't from here, right? Right here in westmoreland, neighbor!

 

[AlB53]

You got that right, any place out of NYC is "upstate"
and it's Sir.
Al