Cartomizers? How do they work?

[S[A]E]

I'm using a standard Ego-c, with the atomiser, plastic tank, etc. & I watched the Pbusardos video of him reviewing two cartomizers

A PBusardo Review : Boge 510 LR Carto Vs. Smok Tech 510 LR Dual Coil Mega Carto - YouTube

& they look like they are better than the ego-c atomiser set up, but being new to vaping I don't really understand how they work. Today after having my Ego-c for about a week & a half one of my atomiser crapped out on me, everything just started to taste burnt and nasty, so I switched it out and it was fine. I don't want to have to replace an atomiser every week and a half, that will get expensive a 5 pack is around $26.00 plus tax & shipping.

Basically my questions are,
"are cartomizers better than atomisers?"
"How does a cartomizer work?"
"will a cartomizer just twist onto my Ego-C battery?"
"Do I need to buy anything else for it, like a drip tip, etc.?"
& "what is a good brand of cartomizers?" *links please*

After watching the Pbusardo review I checked out this brand
VZ Dual coil Mega 510 Cartomizers LR 1.5 Ohm, 5 Pack - E Cig : Best Ejuice | Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes

Thank you!

-Scace

 

[UncleChuck]

Are cartos better than attys?

Most people agree that an atty, being direct dripped, will perform better than a carto. A little bit better flavor and vapor, although this varies depending on what specific cartos and attys you are comparing. Cartos still perform great, and will likely perform better than the setup you have been using with the little joye style tanks and tank attys, to get the best performance from an atty direct dripping a debridged atty is the way to do it.

How does a carto work?

There are a few different styles. The most common is a vertical coil carto, where the internal coil runs up and down, instead of side to side like in most attys. There is no wick, the filler material surrounds the outside of the coil and supplies juice that way. The airflow goes through the middle of the coil, instead of over the outside of the coil like with an atty.

There are also horizontal coil cartos, which internally are a bit more similar to attys. There is a horizontal coil which runs across a center air path in the carto. There is a silica wick inside of the coil which wicks juice from the filler material, so the coil doesn't touch the filler material directly like it does with a vertical coil carto.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses, some people (me included) feel they get better flavor from horizontal coil cartos, but in my experience horizontal coil cartos cannot handle as much power as vertical coil cartos, as the thin wicks can't keep up with the juice demand with higher power vaping.

Will a cartomizer just twist onto an Ego-C battery?

Any 510 carto will fit on any 510 threaded device. So as long as you get 510 cartos, they will simply screw onto your eGo just like your atty does.

Do you need anything else?

Not really. You CAN use a drip tip, but you don't have to. Cartos come with a little white (usually) rubber cap that fits into the tip. This is usually removed and replaced with a drip tip, but it's your choice.

What are some good cartos?

People speak very highly of cartos from Ikenvape, I have not tried them myself, but I find Boge to be my favorite brand of carto. Boge and Smoktech are probably the most common carto brands used, Smoktechs usually have a looser filler material, which will absorb juice faster and easier than a Boge, but if being used in a tank is more prone to flooding. If you are using the carto by itself, it shouldn't be an issue.

Hope this helps! Anymore questions feel free to ask!

 

[S[A]E]

Thank you so much!
A few questions
"what is direct dripping?"
"do I put the liquid inside of the cartomizer?" "or do I need to buy a tank of some sort?"
"& can you link me to a few of those brands websites so I can check them out?"

Thanks again I really appreciate the info!

 

[S[A]E]

Oh! & how long does a typical cartomizer usually last?

 

[jhiga]

An example of direct dripping would be using a drip atomizer. You drip the liquid directly onto the heating coil.

You don't NEED a tank, but I prefer the tank systems.

If you don't use a tank, yes, you'll put the liquid directly inside the cartomizer. You need to make sure you keep the filler material wet, to avoid burning it, which will leave a permanent burnt taste in the cartomizer.

Here's a link to the ikenvape website's low resistance cartomizers, which should work well on your eGo-C.
Ikenvape LR Cartomizers
Keep in mind those are punched; they have a hole in the body for the liquid to get into when using a tank. If you try to use those without a tank, things may get messy.
Of course, they may not.
If you're looking to use it without a tank, check out the vaporbeast site for the boge cartomizers.

Some people claim cartomizers only last them a week or two, but I'll stretch my cartos to two months.
Eventually, they just get too clogged to be useful, but I can usually get a (good) cartomizer to last me at least a month.

 

[UncleChuck]

Direct dripping is where you drip juice directly into the atty. This practice started back in the day, when the only thing available was atomizers and cartridges. The cartridges didn't work well for supplying juice to the atomizer, so people would just skip the cartridge all together and drip the juice (usually 3-4 drops) directly into the atty, bypassing any sort of juice feeding system. Attys had a bridge, which was a nickle foam type material that extended up from the atty and made contact with the cartridge's filler material. Since there was no more cartridge being used anymore, the bridge was obsolete, so people would remove them. Now most attys sold are already debridged since barely anyone uses attys and cartridges anymore. Direct dripping gives the best flavor with an atty, but obviously is a bit more of a hassle because you have to continually drip juice into the atty.

Back onto cartos, yeah you fill the carto up with juice. There is a white filler material that is inside the carto, you just soak this material in the juice to fill the carto. If you go to youtube and search "how to fill a carto" or something like that there are tons of videos with several different methods of filling cartos. I'd suggesting trying the various methods and finding out what works for you.

There are tanks that use cartos, if you are interested in these I'd suggest looking up a member here by the name "Baditude" and checking out his Blogs. He has some great info about how to use carto tanks and various other things, a great thing to check out for someone new to carto-tanks.

Here are some vendors that sell boge cartos:

Boge 5pc LR 510 Cartomizer - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes

(I just used MBV because $6 for a box of 5 is a pretty decent deal)

Here's Madvapes carto page:

Cartomizers, Cartomizer, E-Cigarette Cartomizers | MadVapes

They have tons of different cartos, Smoktechs, Boges, etc. I'd really suggest buying several different brands of cartos and testing to see which ones you like the most. Everyone has their own personal preference (my being boge) but you might like something else better.

As far as how long a carto lasts, do you mean how long before you have to refill, or how long before you have to replace the carto?

Both depend on many many factors. There are different sized cartos, and obviously the bigger ones hold more juice. How long the carto lasts before needing to be replaced varies by a LOT. Darker juices will clog up your carto faster, requiring you to replace them more frequently. I run mostly clear juices and usually put at least 30ml through a carto before I think about replacing it.

Cartos don't usually just stop working, their performance just gets lower and lower the older they get, as the coil gets gunked up with more crud from the juice. The airflow goes through the center of the carto, so when the coil gets gunked, the airflow also gets restricted giving you a harder draw. You could probably run a carto for a year if you wanted, it would just perform like garbage at that point.

But, you must be VERY careful to make sure a carto is properly filled before firing it the first time. If it isn't properly filled, the filler material can burn, and once that happens the carto is done. There is nothing that can be done to bring it back to life, it will be horrible forever.

 

[Katya]

I'm using a standard Ego-c, with the atomiser, plastic tank, etc. & I watched the Pbusardos video of him reviewing two cartomizers

A PBusardo Review : Boge 510 LR Carto Vs. Smok Tech 510 LR Dual Coil Mega Carto - YouTube

& they look like they are better than the ego-c atomiser set up, but being new to vaping I don't really understand how they work. Today after having my Ego-c for about a week & a half one of my atomiser crapped out on me, everything just started to taste burnt and nasty, so I switched it out and it was fine. I don't want to have to replace an atomiser every week and a half, that will get expensive a 5 pack is around $26.00 plus tax & shipping.

EGo-C is already older technology. Those are not classic atomizers, though--what you have is carto/tanks or a tankomizer... The latest technology is Kanger changeable coil clearomizer, like T2 (top coil), T3, eVod (bottom coil). You may want to research those. I own and use and love them.

A dripping atomizer is a cartomizer without a filler--drip three drops in and inhale. PITA.

Basically my questions are,
"are cartomizers better than atomisers?"

Cartomizers are atomizers with filler inside. They are neither better nor worse--just a different animal.

"How does a cartomizer work?"

You fill the filler with juice and that juice is being wicked into the heating (atomizing) coil.

"will a cartomizer just twist onto my Ego-C battery?"

Yes--if it's 510 threaded.

"Do I need to buy anything else for it, like a drip tip, etc.?"

No, but some people like to add a drip tip. Others like to add a carto tank.

& "what is a good brand of cartomizers?" *links please*

Boge and SmokTech single coil LR cartomizers. They are available everywhere--google search will help you find the best prices. Sure vapes has the best deals on Boge cartos and free shipping (over $10).

After watching the Pbusardo review I checked out this brand
VZ Dual coil Mega 510 Cartomizers LR 1.5 Ohm, 5 Pack - E Cig : Best Ejuice | Joye eGo & eGo-T | Boge Leo | Cartomizers | E-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes

No! You don't want dual coil cartomizers. You just don't! Trust me. Long story!

Thank you!

You're welcome.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Here's a couple of drawings of a a carto

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[S[A]E]

Thanks everyone, this has been VERY helpful, I appreciate all the responses! I will look into a lot of these! I'm new to vaping & I'm already obsessed with the whole movement I think its a wonderful thing. I do have two more questions though. lol
1. So with direct dripping, you put 3-4 drops from your e-juice onto the atty? I know some people just use VG?
2. What is a carto tank? How do I attach that to a cartomizer, will it fit with every 510 cartomizer like a Boge? & what does it do, hold more liquid? Is It less messy? What are the benefits?

 

[Katya]

Here you go! Read it and weep!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...k-what-primer-juice-delivery-attachments.html

 

[Katya]

And the easiest and cheapest introduction to carto tanks:

BOGE F15 TANK CARTOMIZER 1 ML - $4.00 : VapeLite your source for Boge quality electronic cigarettes, Boge electronic cigarettes

For 4 bucks you get a fully assembled carto tank complete with a laser prepunched LR Boge cartomizer already installed--just fill and vape! I own and use one and I like it a lot. BTW, there is typo on the site--that tank is 2.5ml capacity, not 1 ml.

And a video review--he's using f16--same thing, just bigger.



Warning--one bad word in the video... Sorry. But it's a good video.

 

[S[A]E]

Thanks a lot! I don't care about bad words lol so it's all good!

 

[S[A]E]

And the easiest and cheapest introduction to carto tanks:

BOGE F15 TANK CARTOMIZER 1 ML - $4.00 : VapeLite your source for Boge quality electronic cigarettes, Boge electronic cigarettes

For 4 bucks you get a fully assembled carto tank complete with a laser prepunched LR Boge cartomizer already installed--just fill and vape! I own and use one and I like it a lot. BTW, there is typo on the site--that tank is 2.5ml capacity, not 1 ml.

And a video review--he's using f16--same thing, just bigger.



Warning--one bad word in the video... Sorry. But it's a good video.

What kind of battery does the Boge f16 screw onto?

 

[Baditude]

What kind of battery does the Boge f16 screw onto?

In the video, the reviewer appears to be using a black Provari, a variable voltage APV.

But to answer your question, any PV or battery device that accepts a 510 thread cartomizer (which most are) can be used.

Just be aware that there are cartomizers that use an 808 or 801 thread, which would work in the tank fine but to fit on a 510 battery device would require an adaptor between the battery end and the tank.

 

[S[A]E]

Incredible! Thank you.

Black Provari's are mad expensive

 

[Katya]

ProVaris are mad expensive.

So are cigarettes, for that matter. A Provari is about the same price as three cartons of cigarettes.

Just sayin'.

 

[S[A]E]

Defiantly a good investment lol I'm for sure looking for something like that once I'm out of my noob phase & have some money to toss around haha

 

[Antoly]

> Oh! & how long does a typical cartomizer usually last?

I use low-resistance eGo Mega Dual Coil and 510 DCT replacements in a tank for two years. An average life-span is five days. But I vape a lot, typically 7-8 ml a day. If you vape twice less it would make 10 days. Also it depends significantly on the kind of e-liquid. Some people say they can clean and restore cartomizers, I never do this. 5 days life-span makes 50 cents a day, I can live with that.

 

[S[A]E]

I only vape around 1/2-1ml a day

 

[Caridwen]

I only vape around 1/2-1ml a day

You could try just the cartomizers if that's the case. Each cartomizer holds about 1 ml of e-liquid. Fill up a couple for the day. The tanks are very convenient but it might be overkill for you.

Get some low resistance, 1.6 or 2.0.