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[Wharf Rat]

Mo-oh I love the Fusions and the best carto I’ve ever used, but I'm having the same problems. I would say it may be the juice... with a caveat.

I started using the Fusions at the start of the year and I would get 3-5 days from a cart. Over time that has shortened and the last 2 months down to 6 hours to 1 1/2 days and an occasional 2 days.
I contacted my Brewmaster and he assured me nothing had changed. I'm very comfortable with that because I know he uses only the best stuff on earth. He has 2 Brews he could sell by the Gallon, but he sells 1 bottle per cust when he can get the flavors, he won’t use anything but his top suppiers……. Still I decided it was my juice.

I bought some LR Fusions to use on my Defender (an 808 eGo, my main squeeze before I got Buzzed ). I didn’t want to take my IP beta sailing. The first LR I filled was awesome, it reminded me why I loved them from the start. It lasted 4 ½ days almost 30mls. The 2 others I’ve used were not quite as long.

I filled another reg Fusion and had the same issue. Sometimes it gets that funk taste, sometimes it won’t absorb the juice and 1 out of 5 taste dry right after filling. I’ve tried spinning, soaking, injecting, flicking, tossing, boiling……. Ok not those last ones.

I just got some Mango which is almost clear it is doing better.

My conclusion is the Fusions are tighter now than 7 months ago. That some have denser filling and don’t play well with some juices. That's Ok, there is no one size fits all. I pulled out some IKV Plat and Gold 510’s that are working good

 

[moorea]

All good info. My two favorite KBV juices are dark and only get darker after time (WTF and OMG) I also like the waffles, which isn't clear but much lighter then the other two. I can't do the waffles all day, so it is in a tank of its own for now and then vaping (sometimes a little more now then then) It has been in that tank for close to a month now and has probably gotten at least a week of vaping in that time. So the darker juices might not last as long in the fusions! I am now trying what looks like a clear juice from KBV, Refreshing Cantaloupe. Not sure if I like it yet, because I was trying Nutty KY in there first and the taste won't leave (I did not like it) It will be an interesting test to see if the fusion lasts longer with clear Cantaloupe liquid. That is of course if I like it and can ever get the yucky Nutty KY flavor out there and get the Canteloupe to start wikking.

I have to say, I do not think I am going to like the canteloupe though. There is something about the clear liquids from KBV that give me a migrane over my right eye. At first I thought I was crazy. But the Juicy Fruit did it, the Escape did it and now I believe the canteloupe is doing it. The juicy fruit was giving me a head ache when the hubby was vaping it near me!

 

[Pokeygizmo]

I had a hard time with KBV juice in my cartos and my CE2s - but they were 60P/40V - their standard ratio, I think?. It was a pretty thick 40V at that.

Generally speaking, the higher the VG, the harder it is on cartos and the quicker they will get gunked up. All VG is not the same viscosity, though, so you have to take that into account. That and added sweeteners and dark colored juices seem to wreak more havoc than those juices without those attributes.

Especially if the filler in the Fusions is tighter than it used to be - that only slows the wicking down more and leads to a faster build-up of gunk, poor wicking to the inner sleeve and an earlier carto death, altogether.

 

[moorea]

More interesting info! I order my juice from VG 30% / PG 70%. So I guess that is better for the carto! I have often wondered about asking them if they would do a speciial order of 100% PG, but I don't know if that would change the flavor or the performance of the juice. Another interesting thing I noticed when my juice order came yesterday. I ordered WTF, same nic level and PG/VG ratio as last time, and it was SO much lighter then the bottle I already had. So it looks like the juice gets darker and thicker as it ages. When KBV gets to a point that they can stay open 24/7 I will likely order less at a time so it does not sit as long.

Is there a way to clean a gunked up carto? If so is it worth it.

On a side note, at some point I am going to have to throw this carto away. The nutty ky won't vacate the carto it is just lingering. I keep hoping it goes away as I put this regular carto in marked the time and date so I can see if the regular lasts longer then the LR. I don't want to start over.

I actually ordered a Mini Stealth Atomizer from Ikenvapes about a month ago just for testing new flavors. I pulled it out yesterday to use for the first time when the new flavors arrived and it was DEAD! I didn't get the insurance and it has been so long there seems no point in trying to return it. I'll have to get another so I the next time I am trying a new flavor I do not ruin my carto with one that refuses to leave!

 

[Wharf Rat]

Most juices steep or age like a good wine. Some are made per order so you notice it as apposed to pre-made that have been sitting quite a while. All my juice is 70/30 as well and it is amazing how flavors mature over time.

 

[5cardstud]

More interesting info! I order my juice from VG 30% / PG 70%. So I guess that is better for the carto! I have often wondered about asking them if they would do a speciial order of 100% PG, but I don't know if that would change the flavor or the performance of the juice. Another interesting thing I noticed when my juice order came yesterday. I ordered WTF, same nic level and PG/VG ratio as last time, and it was SO much lighter then the bottle I already had. So it looks like the juice gets darker and thicker as it ages. When KBV gets to a point that they can stay open 24/7 I will likely order less at a time so it does not sit as long.

Is there a way to clean a gunked up carto? If so is it worth it.

On a side note, at some point I am going to have to throw this carto away. The nutty ky won't vacate the carto it is just lingering. I keep hoping it goes away as I put this regular carto in marked the time and date so I can see if the regular lasts longer then the LR. I don't want to start over.

I actually ordered a Mini Stealth Atomizer from Ikenvapes about a month ago just for testing new flavors. I pulled it out yesterday to use for the first time when the new flavors arrived and it was DEAD! I didn't get the insurance and it has been so long there seems no point in trying to return it. I'll have to get another so I the next time I am trying a new flavor I do not ruin my carto with one that refuses to leave!

One of the vendors was running a test on juice and how it changes color, getting darker, as it ages and it seems like light and heat are the two biggest factors of the color change with light being the most.

 

[Bovinia]

Yep 5C, that was in the Madvapes newsletter I get. The color of the juice in the tank in my sig is as dark as my diy butterscotch cookie gets. I have a partial bottle of KBV Butterscotch BonBon and it's almost black

 

[moorea]

Mine are kept in a closed dark drawer, only opened for refills! I used have a dark room for photography years ago, to bad I no longer do!

 

[Pokeygizmo]

I have often wondered about asking them if they would do a speciial order of 100% PG, but I don't know if that would change the flavor or the performance of the juice.

Yes, it will change both. PG allows for more flavor to shine through, but less vapor and would be thinner. So it wouldn't quite be the same as what you are accustomed to at the 70/30 blend; you may or may not like it

Is there a way to clean a gunked up carto? If so is it worth it.

Yes there is a way to clean it. No, it's not worth it in my opinion.

I cleaned cartos for months and months - with about a 50/50 return on being able to use them more than once. If it is gunked up and you can get the filler clean; the coils are gunked up, too - and usually you can not get them clean. You never know for sure until you refill it afterwards and find out it's a dud when you go to vape it - and by then you've wasted a lot of time and effort and a carto full of juice.

You can hit the search button for "carto cleaning" and see many different ways on how it's done if you think it might be worth a go. Like I said, I did it for months...and hated carto cleaning day almost as bad as cleaning the bathroom day.

BTW, I have several Ms. T's juices that are nearly a year old - all stored in the dark recesses of my vaping drawer and not opened once since having been put there - they are black as tar and nearly as thick. And most certainly didn't start off that way.

 

[moorea]

Well if it is that bad of a job I will pass! My darker bottles of the same juice were pruchased about a month ago, sitting in the dark drawer, they are MUCH darker then the new bottles. If they sit there a year they would be darker then black!

 

[5cardstud]

Yep 5C, that was in the Madvapes newsletter I get. The color of the juice in the tank in my sig is as dark as my diy butterscotch cookie gets. I have a partial bottle of KBV Butterscotch BonBon and it's almost black

That's who I put at first but then I couldn't remember for sure. Must be Alzheimer.

I think the sweeteners in the juice play a role in how long the fusion lasts. the majority of mine last around 3 weeks. some more some less. In the tank they last forever but I don't vape sweet juice and it's 100% PG.
It's too bad someone can't figure out how to make a cartomizer built for the juice your vaping but that would take some research.

 

[kellie]

I have been using KBV OMG 60V/40PG for a few days now in my Fusion and I have had no problems. All of my KBV joose is on the dark side and I have had no problems in DC's either. Cartos are cheap enough that I don't think I will bother trying to clean them.

 

[moorea]

I like the OMG, but it always has a slight burnt taste to me. The WFT is my fav!

 

[StuckinLA]

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[TJVapes]

My liquinator broke in half today. I'm pretty sure it was the liquid cause it broke right at the liquid level and cracked all the way around. Rootbeer killed my tank. I've went through several fills with different liquids but only used rootbeer for the first time in it today. I don't even have a replacement tube yet. I'm going to reserve my tank for creamy flavors from now on like caramel cream, kona cream, and like juices and keep my rootbeer in a bottom feeder.

 

[5cardstud]

OK The Torpedo tank by JonahNM is by far the best Tank mod I've used not only does it look very nice (Stainless Steel ) but it solves the biggest issue with the MAP Type Tanks which is removing and replacing the CE2. JonahNM has machined a groove on the Inside Diameter of the bottom cap that has an O-ring inserted and there by allows for easy removal and no leakage. If you are considering getting a MAP or MAP style Tank then you really need to check these out first and if you already have a MAP Tank then you'll LOVE JonahNM's yes it a bit pricy but worth every ¢.

And you can even get it with a pryex tube

Check it out here Welcome to Vapor Age - Step out of the smoke.....

There is two things I don't like about it. Although it is very nice looking and it uses a thick walled tank that is a plus but like the MAP it has those huge top and bottom on it and I'm not paying $50.00 + shipping for a tank. Call me cheap if you will. It is a very nice looking tant though and does look like it's built good.

My liquinator broke in half today. I'm pretty sure it was the liquid cause it broke right at the liquid level and cracked all the way around. Rootbeer killed my tank.

Oh wow, that's too bad. I never heard anything bad about rootbeer before. Sorry. Hey maybe you can get a replacement tank.

 

[Bovinia]

That's a drag TJ

 

[moorea]

Let me start by saying, I know I am a slow learner. But in my defense, I have figured out when my batteries are dead, how to fill my carto without burning out first hit and when my carto is dead. And yes, now I have a new question. Filled a new carto the other day for the hubby. It was filled and ready to go, put it in the tank and it definately is filled enough, but is so tight, it is almost impossible to vape it. It is worse then a "role your own" that is rolled to tight (and yes, for a short time the hubby and I rolled our own in an attempt to save money)

Is this just a bad carto that needs to be tossed or is there something that can be done to loosen the hit up a bit?

So maybe wharf and mike promoted me to soon!

 

[Pokeygizmo]

hey, Moo!

Sometimes the center of carto is or becomes collapsed and occluded, even in a brand new one - can you see light through it if you look down the middle? If not, the airway must be too tight and keeping the draw tight, as well.

You can try taking a fairly thick needle and carefully place it through the center all the way to the battery end and gently wiggling it around to open it up. It might save it, but usually if its new and already having this problem, chances are it'll just re-collapse and you'll always be fighting it. And there's always the chance you'll screw up the coils/wires inside, too. Then it's toast for sure.

Once in a blue moon, though, the needle trick works - and keeps it working like it should.

 

[moorea]

I actually checked that and yes, I can see through the middle. I compared it to the one I was using at the time and they look the same.